West Virginia man kills new neighbor without warning, thinking it's his property

[GandD 5,966]

Surprised you folks havent tried banning penises.

One step at a time yo!

[spookyturtle 9,466]

[spookyturtle 9,466]

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

He's not coming back. Facts are counterproductive for him.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

He's not coming back. Facts are counterproductive for him.

Do you mean that Gary posted something that was completely fabricated?

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

According to your link, the homicide rate in South Korea in 2006 per 100,000 people is 0.0.

The homicide rate in Vermont for the same year of 2006 per 100,000 people is 1.9.

One thing you didn't mention is that the gun homicide rate for S. Korea is on the rise, whereas in the US, it's still declining. For 2012, based on mixed years worth of data, the S. Korea homicide rate was .06. Trouble is, all data from Korea is delayed more than here.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

One thing you didn't mention is that the gun homicide rate for S. Korea is on the rise, whereas in the US, it's still declining. For 2012, based on mixed years worth of data, the S. Korea homicide rate was .06. Trouble is, all data from Korea is delayed more than here.

If Korea is anything like Japan, you cannot rely on crime statistics based on crimes reported, reported being the key. Rather than embarrass the government with unfavorable statistics, crimes are dealt with, but not "officially" recorded as having occurred.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

If Korea is anything like Japan, you cannot rely on crime statistics based on crimes reported, reported being the key. Rather than embarrass the government with unfavorable statistics, crimes are dealt with, but not "officially" recorded as having occurred.

and crime stats here are grossly under reported. My neighbor had two punks kick down his door while he was home

How did the crime get reported--Trespassing. Sheriff said flat out, we will change it if we catch them

Happens all the time..The UCR is vastly understated

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Why is gun crime low in South Korea?

2012 homicide rate in S. Korea was 2.6/100,000. In Vermont it was 1.3/100,000 You are twice as likely to be murdered in S. Korea. The total crime index in S. Korea is nearly 5 times higher than Vermont.

The armed society is safer. 2 times safer in the category of homicide, 5 times safer overall

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

If Korea is anything like Japan, you cannot rely on crime statistics based on crimes reported, reported being the key. Rather than embarrass the government with unfavorable statistics, crimes are dealt with, but not "officially" recorded as having occurred.

So then S. Korea is even more crime ridden than we thought. If you want to avoid crime...move to Vermont. If you are too skeered to carry a gun or do not have the knowledge to do so, at least your family will be safer than where you live now. If your plan is to "call someone else with a gun" I would think your family might insist on living in a safe state.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

2012 homicide rate in S. Korea was 2.6/100,000. In Vermont it was 1.3/100,000 You are twice as likely to be murdered in S. Korea. The total crime index in S. Korea is nearly 5 times higher than Vermont.

The armed society is safer. 2 times safer in the category of homicide, 5 times safer overall

Yes but you are less dead if a gun did not kill you..

Pay attetion

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

He's not coming back. Facts are counterproductive for him.

Hi. Marvin, I know you miss me, but I have an important job. I cannot take time from my work to do things that I am not paid to do and cannot hang out on VJ all week posting instead of doing the job I am paid to do. It would be noticed if I did not do my job. I am not ignoring you and not avoiding facts. Just busy with life, work, home and entertaining myself in other ways. As per usual we are going dancing on Saturday night in a little while. I'll make a few posts and then be on my way. I'll check back again when I have the opportunity

Marvin, why do you want to restrict the rights of black Americans?

You consider that requiring a photo ID is a restriction on blacks to vote, but you do not consider a CC permit a restriction on their right to be armed? It is nothing more than a "poll tax" to excerise a right. It unfairly restricts blacks who often lack the funds needed to pay for the classes and the permits, it unfairly restricts blacks who are far more likely to be convicted of crimes wrongfully. It is, in fact, "race control".

Now I do not think I need to re-post the views of many liberal members here that say "crime is caused by blacks", do I? I already posted them and you can go back and read that. You want THEM to decide who can defend themselves? They are appalled at the number of "minorities" living in their counties and states and say that it is WHY they have high crime. But blacks in Vermont can be armed also, because there is NO restriction, no "poll tax" no "permission" required.

Many times it has been suggested that Vermont implement a CC permit system, even if just as an option so that we can receive reciprocity in many states. The legislature has rejected it over and over and over. WHY? Because it is discriminatory and can be corrupted to infringe on rights of minorities! Vermont has said over and over "Let everyone else do it OUR way" I have obtained CC permits from 2 other states so that if I visit a truly dangerous area, such as where you live, I will be able to carry my gun. Vermont will not risk the chance of discriminating against black people

Why would you want to do that?

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Hi. Marvin, I know you miss me, but I have an important job. I cannot take time from my work to do things that I am not paid to do and cannot hang out on VJ all week posting instead of doing the job I am paid to do. It would be noticed if I did not do my job. I am not ignoring you and not avoiding facts. Just busy with life, work, home and entertaining myself in other ways. As per usual we are going dancing on Saturday night in a little while. I'll make a few posts and then be on my way. I'll check back again when I have the opportunity

Marvin, why do you want to restrict the rights of black Americans?

You consider that requiring a photo ID is a restriction on blacks to vote, but you do not consider a CC permit a restriction on their right to be armed? It is nothing more than a "poll tax" to excerise a right. It unfairly restricts blacks who often lack the funds needed to pay for the classes and the permits, it unfairly restricts blacks who are far more likely to be convicted of crimes wrongfully. It is, in fact, "race control".

Now I do not think I need to re-post the views of many liberal members here that say "crime is caused by blacks", do I? I already posted them and you can go back and read that. You want THEM to decide who can defend themselves? They are appalled at the number of "minorities" living in their counties and states and say that it is WHY they have high crime. But blacks in Vermont can be armed also, because there is NO restriction, no "poll tax" no "permission" required.

Many times it has been suggested that Vermont implement a CC permit system, even if just as an option so that we can receive reciprocity in many states. The legislature has rejected it over and over and over. WHY? Because it is discriminatory and can be corrupted to infringe on rights of minorities! Vermont has said over and over "Let everyone else do it OUR way" I have obtained CC permits from 2 other states so that if I visit a truly dangerous area, such as where you live, I will be able to carry my gun. Vermont will not risk the chance of discriminating against black people

Why would you want to do that?

Still waiting for that link that says CC lowers crime in Chicago. Put up or, well, you know the rest...

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Yes but you are less dead if a gun did not kill you..

Pay attetion

I do not cherry pick. You ARE 2 times more likely to be murdered in S. Korea than Vermont. I do not wish to be murdered. The tool used for murder is of little importance to me. GandD said earlier "he was told" that when guns were outlawed, outlaws would get illegal guns. Maybe. I am not sure who told him that. Wasn't me. More often another tool is substituted for murder. When my brother lived in Henley on Thames, UK a man was murdered at a pub down the street with a broken snooker cue. I am sure his family took solace in the fact he was not killed by a gun.

It is a fairly warm night for January in Vermont and with any luck after dancing tonight we will go for a walk, there is some fresh snow. Makes for a very beautiful scene. We can walk anywhere and not be disturbed. We only care if it is too cold, as it has been the past two weeks. Who else can do that in any part of the city where you live? Any part, any time. THAT's freedom. And it is not something I do myself..I bring my wife with me. If we had small children they could go also.

But if you want to cherry pick, Vermont has a lower rate of gun homicide committed by bicyclists on the second Tuesday of every week. So what?

When someone cannot simply compare crime statistics to an armed society without artificial cutting and trimming...they are losers.

Why do I not compare to all the US? Simple. Vermont is a sovereign jurisdiction which makes its own gun laws, just as S. Korea does. Vermont has chosen NOT to make strict gun laws, but they could. I am comparing legal jurisdictions which have different gun laws. If S. Korea wishes to reduce crime more, then I suggest they allow anyone to carry a gun concealed.

However if we want to, we could choose to compare to Jamaica. A soveriegn country, and ISLAND which can more easily control the import of illegal guns AND has very strict gun laws. and a murder rate of 58/100,000. One of the highest in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Jamaica

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_Act_(Jamaica)

GandD did not use that country for comparison. Why?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Still waiting for that link that says CC lowers crime in Chicago. Put up or, well, you know the rest...

CC carry was implemented by court order in 2012. Crime rate in 2013 is trhe lowest in 40 years. 92 less young black men were killed. This is consistent with every other state that has implemented CC. What more do you want? Are you not happy that crime has gone DOWN?

It will go down MORE in 2014 as more people carry, but we will have to wait for that.

If that is not good enough for you, then show me a link that says CC increased the crime rate in Chicago.

We all know what will happen next.

Edited February 1, 2014 by Gary and Alla