West Virginia man kills new neighbor without warning, thinking it's his property

[Darnell 8,478]

Another reason why mental heath needs to be addressed in this country.

agreed!

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Schizophrenia? No way.

There are many people in this country who think that a gun is appropriate for anything and everything. There are people in this country who think that being slightly scared warrants shooting a gun instead of saying, "Hello?" There are people on this forum who believe this. There are politicians who defend this right and super PACs who buy their votes.

From where I am sitting, this guy is the same as all too many people in this country. News and politicians help with the hysteria, all funded by the NRA to people will buy guns and give profits so the gun manufacturers who fund the NRA.

This makes me long for the movies where a yokel comes out in his overalls with a gun, but has the wherewithal to say first, "Get off mah property."

I agree, I was giving examples to mental illnesses I could think off.

But you're right. I miss the good ole days when you could use your fists and fight it out, rather than using a gun to finish an argument. I personally abhor anyone who is timid and a coward, but get a gun in their hands, they start shyt and end up killing someone because they couldn't use good sense and back down.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

If I ever go to West Virginia, I'm gonna use some whitening cream first.

hahahahahaha just purely evil

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

That's what I don't get, why he didn't talk before shooting. In England if you trespass on a farmers land at night he'll at least have the good grace to say "get off my land" before lowering his shotgun.

Maybe the victims were eating skittles dangerously...

Why? Because 1) The media and the gun lobby are repeating certain messages that people need to be afraid of everything and that having a gun protects them, and 2) because laws are being passed in some states where people are no longer required to give warning.

I saw a news show where a guy went and killed his neighbor for having a child's 2-year-old birthday party because the party was too loud. The shooter recorded the whole thing. As he was walking over, clearly the aggressor, he kept saying out loud. "I am afraid for my life. I am scared for my life." Then he went and killed a guy and shot 4 others. See, he had gone to "stand your ground" class and he had learned that in his state (Texas I believe) that if he could testify that he was "afraid for his life" that he could kill people. So he was careful to announce on his video that he was afraid. Thankfully after long deliberations the jury could see that he was trying to wiggle himself into the law to justify his murder.

I do have hope that these laws will be repealed.

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

In one study from 1987-1990, there were 46,319 gun homicides, and 2,628,532 non-fatal gun crimes (2,674,851 total). So gun deaths are a very small part of all gun crimes. 1.7% in this example. And while I think we all agree that one innocent victim is two too many, that's actually a pretty low rate of death. While 46,319 seems like a lot of deaths, guns were used in self defense 258,460 times, with only 28% of victims ever pulling the trigger. 20% of these 258k self defense situations had the police holding the guns.

People think gun deaths are on the rise, but the opposite is true. They peaked in 1993, and have been on the decline ever since. Getting better, but to be sure, we have a LONG way to go...

[luckytxn 2,264]

They are nutjobs for sure.

Especially those mountain me.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

In one study from 1987-1990, there were 46,319 gun homicides, and 2,628,532 non-fatal gun crimes (2,674,851 total). So gun deaths are a very small part of all gun crimes. 1.7% in this example. And while I think we all agree that one innocent victim is two too many, that's actually a pretty low rate of death. While 46,319 seems like a lot of deaths, guns were used in self defense 258,460 times, with only 28% of victims ever pulling the trigger. 20% of these 258k self defense situations had the police holding the guns.

People think gun deaths are on the rise, but the opposite is true. They peaked in 1993, and have been on the decline ever since. Getting better, but to be sure, we have a LONG way to go...

Is this including people who were shot but didn't die?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

White shooter, black victims. West Virginia, where they like banjo music.

Would be a racial reason, of course. Imagine my surprise.

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“Say, if Vermont is such a paradise for minorities, why do minorities appear to avoid the state like the plague?”

Mr. Big Dog

“I don't think anyone is claiming that people in Vermont are racist. I believe the point was, Vermont has a predominately white population. Nationally, blacks and minorities commit the most crimes. Up the percentage of blacks and minorities and see if the crime rate stays the same. “

Spooky Turtle

“Who's you guys? You live in a predominately white state. Fact. “

Spooky Turtle

“Take my county, for example. We have more than twice the population of the entire state of Vermont in this county alone and about a quarter of that population is non-white - slightly more than the US average. If you were to separate out white Hispanics, our white non-Hispanic population is just 53% - that's 10 percentage points below the US average. So just about every other person in this county belongs to a minority. That is what real diversity looks like, Gary. You should take a look some time. Might help you craft better arguments and look less silly. “

Mr. Big Dog

“Numbers are numbers.”

GandD

“I was thinking more along the lines that there isn't an increase in robberies, muggings etc that usually seem to follow areas with drug problems.” Spooky Turtle

Darnell, on 19 Jan 2014 - 09:20 AM, said:

apparently the populace is carrying, so maybe the smack users already know about it.

“No minorities either. Probably a combination of the two.”

Spooky Turtle

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/474999-shumlin-lifts-veil-on-heroin-abuse-in-vermont/page-5

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/474999-shumlin-lifts-veil-on-heroin-abuse-in-vermont/page-4

[Peikko 1,575]

Would be a racial reason, of course. Imagine my surprise.

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“Say, if Vermont is such a paradise for minorities, why do minorities appear to avoid the state like the plague?”

Mr. Big Dog

“I don't think anyone is claiming that people in Vermont are racist. I believe the point was, Vermont has a predominately white population. Nationally, blacks and minorities commit the most crimes. Up the percentage of blacks and minorities and see if the crime rate stays the same. “

Spooky Turtle

“Who's you guys? You live in a predominately white state. Fact. “

Spooky Turtle

“Take my county, for example. We have more than twice the population of the entire state of Vermont in this county alone and about a quarter of that population is non-white - slightly more than the US average. If you were to separate out white Hispanics, our white non-Hispanic population is just 53% - that's 10 percentage points below the US average. So just about every other person in this county belongs to a minority. That is what real diversity looks like, Gary. You should take a look some time. Might help you craft better arguments and look less silly. “

Mr. Big Dog

“Numbers are numbers.”

GandD

“I was thinking more along the lines that there isn't an increase in robberies, muggings etc that usually seem to follow areas with drug problems.” Spooky Turtle

Darnell, on 19 Jan 2014 - 09:20 AM, said:

apparently the populace is carrying, so maybe the smack users already know about it.

“No minorities either. Probably a combination of the two.”

Spooky Turtle

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/474999-shumlin-lifts-veil-on-heroin-abuse-in-vermont/page-5

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/474999-shumlin-lifts-veil-on-heroin-abuse-in-vermont/page-4

What has any of that disconnected nonsense got to do with the topic at hand?

[GandD 5,966]

Hey I got a shout out. I'm super jeals of spooks. He's staring.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

What has any of that disconnected nonsense got to do with the topic at hand?

It's only in his mind.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Would be a racial reason, of course. Imagine my surprise.

_____________________________________________________________________________________________

“Say, if Vermont is such a paradise for minorities, why do minorities appear to avoid the state like the plague?”

Mr. Big Dog

“I don't think anyone is claiming that people in Vermont are racist. I believe the point was, Vermont has a predominately white population. Nationally, blacks and minorities commit the most crimes. Up the percentage of blacks and minorities and see if the crime rate stays the same. “

Spooky Turtle

“Who's you guys? You live in a predominately white state. Fact. “

Spooky Turtle

“Take my county, for example. We have more than twice the population of the entire state of Vermont in this county alone and about a quarter of that population is non-white - slightly more than the US average. If you were to separate out white Hispanics, our white non-Hispanic population is just 53% - that's 10 percentage points below the US average. So just about every other person in this county belongs to a minority. That is what real diversity looks like, Gary. You should take a look some time. Might help you craft better arguments and look less silly. “

Mr. Big Dog

“Numbers are numbers.”

GandD

“I was thinking more along the lines that there isn't an increase in robberies, muggings etc that usually seem to follow areas with drug problems.” Spooky Turtle

Darnell, on 19 Jan 2014 - 09:20 AM, said:

apparently the populace is carrying, so maybe the smack users already know about it.

“No minorities either. Probably a combination of the two.”

Spooky Turtle

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/474999-shumlin-lifts-veil-on-heroin-abuse-in-vermont/page-5

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/474999-shumlin-lifts-veil-on-heroin-abuse-in-vermont/page-4

What else would you expect from a racist like me?

[Danno 1,228]

Why? Because 1) The media and the gun lobby are repeating certain messages that people need to be afraid of everything and that having a gun protects them, and 2) because laws are being passed in some states where people are no longer required to give warning.

I saw a news show where a guy went and killed his neighbor for having a child's 2-year-old birthday party because the party was too loud. The shooter recorded the whole thing. As he was walking over, clearly the aggressor, he kept saying out loud. "I am afraid for my life. I am scared for my life." Then he went and killed a guy and shot 4 others. See, he had gone to "stand your ground" class and he had learned that in his state (Texas I believe) that if he could testify that he was "afraid for his life" that he could kill people. So he was careful to announce on his video that he was afraid. Thankfully after long deliberations the jury could see that he was trying to wiggle himself into the law to justify his murder.

I do have hope that these laws will be repealed.

Might be a good idea to educate yourself on the laws you dream of being repealed.

Clearly this man had no right to shoot anyone and he was charged. The other case you referred to was also dealt with faster than you suggested.

THe law is very clear as to when deadly force can be used and a number of factors must be present.... most are common sense. Such as, you can't instigate a situation and then pull out a gun to defend yourself.

The thresh hold "Would a reasonable person felt his life or serious bodily harm was in jeopardy?" is one such test a case must pass.

An out building is not part of the Castle-doctrine.... unless you live in it.

There are over 300 million people in the country, there will always be such outrageous cases. Removing peoples right of self defense in no way will prevent these kooky story.

Watch the whole video.

Not to nit pick but didn't that movie take place in Ga?

Ahh, whats the diff.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Not to nit pick but didn't that movie take place in Ga?

Ahh, whats the diff.

Georgia, West Virginia, banjo music, mountain men....no difference.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Why? Because 1) The media and the gun lobby are repeating certain messages that people need to be afraid of everything and that having a gun protects them, and 2) because laws are being passed in some states where people are no longer required to give warning.

I saw a news show where a guy went and killed his neighbor for having a child's 2-year-old birthday party because the party was too loud. The shooter recorded the whole thing. As he was walking over, clearly the aggressor, he kept saying out loud. "I am afraid for my life. I am scared for my life." Then he went and killed a guy and shot 4 others. See, he had gone to "stand your ground" class and he had learned that in his state (Texas I believe) that if he could testify that he was "afraid for his life" that he could kill people. So he was careful to announce on his video that he was afraid. Thankfully after long deliberations the jury could see that he was trying to wiggle himself into the law to justify his murder.

I do have hope that these laws will be repealed.

Texas. "you think" ????????

Do you not KNOW what you are talking about? None of the laws have been repealed by any of the states that have implemented them. In 1986, 5 states allowed concealed carry. Now, 50 states do. NONE have repealed their laws. Obviously the legislatures of 50 states (well, 49 plus the one state that was forced into recognizing people's rights by court order) know less than you do. Right? In every state that implemented CC their crime rate subsequently went down.

Now some will tell you that is because of race, I don't think so.

Do you believe you should not be able to defend yourself or your family if you fear for your life because of the threat from another person?

If black people commit crimes should we take away black people's rights? If Muslims commit crimes should we take away freedom of religion? How many crimes would black people have to commit before you would agree to take away their rights? Should we take away just a "reasonable" amount of their rights?

Why do you want to take away good people's rights because of few bad people?