USC pregnant by another man...

[garya505 2]

William,

A person whose primary objective is immigrating to the USA?

Yodrak

jaybeezi,

Um, well he11 ya it is a problem. What self respecting person would want to continue a relationship with someone like that?

.....

Hmmm. Yodrak, being Frank, eh

Well they are married, and in addition to all of the lingo that goes along with the commitment, perhaps the husband believes that forgiveness is part of it.

Forgiveness yes, but there are limits and she clearly has crossed the line.

[TracyTN 237]

I don't see where the OP asked for advice on the morality of the situation. Seems clear that he knows it was wrong, but he is wondering about the immigration impacts for his friend.

[diadromous mermaid 36]

William,

A person whose primary objective is immigrating to the USA?

Yodrak

jaybeezi,

Um, well he11 ya it is a problem. What self respecting person would want to continue a relationship with someone like that?

.....

Hmmm. Yodrak, being Frank, eh

Well they are married, and in addition to all of the lingo that goes along with the commitment, perhaps the husband believes that forgiveness is part of it.

Forgiveness yes, but there are limits and she clearly has crossed the line.

Curious. What line? The line she crossed was that she was impregnated by another man. It can happen on a first encounter (though, I tend to believe that might not be the case). The husband was in another country for a period of 2 years, the wife fell victim to the separation or the flesh, so the husband might have forgiven her for that. The OPs post says nothing about a continued liaison.

[TracyLuis 0]

William,

A person whose primary objective is immigrating to the USA?

Yodrak

jaybeezi,

Um, well he11 ya it is a problem. What self respecting person would want to continue a relationship with someone like that?

.....

Ummm....exactly.

[garya505 2]

William,

A person whose primary objective is immigrating to the USA?

Yodrak

jaybeezi,

Um, well he11 ya it is a problem. What self respecting person would want to continue a relationship with someone like that?

.....

Hmmm. Yodrak, being Frank, eh

Well they are married, and in addition to all of the lingo that goes along with the commitment, perhaps the husband believes that forgiveness is part of it.

Forgiveness yes, but there are limits and she clearly has crossed the line.

Curious. What line? The line she crossed was that she was impregnated by another man. It can happen on a first encounter (though, I tend to believe that might not be the case). The husband was in another country for a period of 2 years, the wife fell victim to the separation or the flesh, so the husband might have forgiven her for that. The OPs post says nothing about a continued liaison.

She didn't fall victim to anything, she simply didn't keep her wedding vows. If the husband doesn't intend to continue the liason, then he's just using the marriage to get into the US?

[Yodrak 7]

diadromous mermaid,

Being a dutiful consular officer. Perhaps the husband does believe that forgiveness is part of his commitment as a husband. Perhaps not. It's a visa application issue to determine which.

Remind me - who's Frank?

Yodrak

William,

A person whose primary objective is immigrating to the USA?

Yodrak

jaybeezi,

Um, well he11 ya it is a problem. What self respecting person would want to continue a relationship with someone like that?

.....

Hmmm. Yodrak, being Frank, eh

Well they are married, and in addition to all of the lingo that goes along with the commitment, perhaps the husband believes that forgiveness is part of it.

garya,

Your line, maybe. Not everyone draws their line at the same place.

Yodrak

William,

A person whose primary objective is immigrating to the USA?

Yodrak

jaybeezi,

Um, well he11 ya it is a problem. What self respecting person would want to continue a relationship with someone like that?

.....

Hmmm. Yodrak, being Frank, eh

Well they are married, and in addition to all of the lingo that goes along with the commitment, perhaps the husband believes that forgiveness is part of it.

Forgiveness yes, but there are limits and she clearly has crossed the line.

[diadromous mermaid 36]

William,

A person whose primary objective is immigrating to the USA?

Yodrak

jaybeezi,

Um, well he11 ya it is a problem. What self respecting person would want to continue a relationship with someone like that?

.....

Hmmm. Yodrak, being Frank, eh

Well they are married, and in addition to all of the lingo that goes along with the commitment, perhaps the husband believes that forgiveness is part of it.

Forgiveness yes, but there are limits and she clearly has crossed the line.

Curious. What line? The line she crossed was that she was impregnated by another man. It can happen on a first encounter (though, I tend to believe that might not be the case). The husband was in another country for a period of 2 years, the wife fell victim to the separation or the flesh, so the husband might have forgiven her for that. The OPs post says nothing about a continued liaison.

She didn't fall victim to anything, she simply didn't keep her wedding vows. If the husband doesn't intend to continue the liason, then he's just using the marriage to get into the US?

The continued liaison I referred to was not in terms of the husband....but one with the donor!

[diadromous mermaid 36]

diadromous mermaid,

Being a dutiful consular officer. Perhaps the husband does believe that forgiveness is part of his commitment as a husband. Perhaps not. It's a visa application issue to determine which.

Remind me - who's Frank?

Yodrak

Frank is the dutiful consular officer

Notwithstanding, the issue of the visa application and the delay interests me. Or, rather, I should say, the reason that a new application was necessary.

Edited December 29, 2006 by diadromous mermaid

[garya505 2]

Hmmm, I think there could be more to this story than the OP gave us.

[Cassie 8]

Cassie,

You seem to be making an assumption as to who the woman will identify as the father.

I would be interesting to see what will happen at the consulate if they become aware of the child and it should appear that the visa applicant cannot be the father.

Yodrak

.....

Let's see, the baby was conceived during an affair, you don't think that USCIS won't have questions when they see that the baby's father's name on the birth certificate is not the same as the non-USC? ......

That was the point I was attempting to make earlier, thank you Yodrak. What if the conception date is during an "impossible" time -- ie. when the non-USC was nowhere near the USC?

[Cassie 8]

Perhaps you are confused. It is the American that got pregnant. There is no reason why the USCIS would need to see the BC of the child of an American citizen. There are no K2 issues.

I am the American in our marriage and I never had to present birth certificates for my children. As far as I am concerned the origin of my children is no business of the USCIS. Evidently they feel the same way or they would have asked for them.

I really don't think the INS is going to ask about baby origins. I have never heard of them running a DNA test. I don't see where the father of somebodies baby is any of their business.

I agree that there are a lot of trust issues in the future for this relationship but that is not the question that you asked.

I certainly hope the best for this couple. They have a very rocky beginning to a relationship that is intended to be lifelong.

Let's see, the baby was conceived during an affair, you don't think that USCIS won't have questions when they see that the baby's father's name on the birth certificate is not the same as the non-USC? Because they will think it's kinda weird if the baby isn't "used" (I use the term loosely here) as a means of "proving" a legitimate ongoing relationship.

One: I was perfectly aware of whom was pregnant, but thanks for clearing that up for me.

two: my simple point is this, that was aptly summarized by Yodrak....if the consulate should get wind of this, and notice that some dates may or may not jive, then Lucy, you have some 'splaining to do!

[diadromous mermaid 36]

Perhaps you are confused. It is the American that got pregnant. There is no reason why the USCIS would need to see the BC of the child of an American citizen. There are no K2 issues.

I am the American in our marriage and I never had to present birth certificates for my children. As far as I am concerned the origin of my children is no business of the USCIS. Evidently they feel the same way or they would have asked for them.

I really don't think the INS is going to ask about baby origins. I have never heard of them running a DNA test. I don't see where the father of somebodies baby is any of their business.

I agree that there are a lot of trust issues in the future for this relationship but that is not the question that you asked.

I certainly hope the best for this couple. They have a very rocky beginning to a relationship that is intended to be lifelong.

Let's see, the baby was conceived during an affair, you don't think that USCIS won't have questions when they see that the baby's father's name on the birth certificate is not the same as the non-USC? Because they will think it's kinda weird if the baby isn't "used" (I use the term loosely here) as a means of "proving" a legitimate ongoing relationship.

One: I was perfectly aware of whom was pregnant, but thanks for clearing that up for me.

two: my simple point is this, that was aptly summarized by Yodrak....if the consulate should get wind of this, and notice that some dates may or may not jive, then Lucy, you have some 'splaining to do!

Perhaps, but being a devil's advocate once more , it does not necessarily mean failure either. It would depend wholly upon the ability of the couple to demonstrate that the intent of the marriage was not solely for immigration benefit on the part of both or, more importantly, the alien. I could think of a number of explanations for a pregnancy with a husband not being the biological seed. His seed may be impotent, for example, but it would rest then upon the evidence they have to show that their marriage was sustaining and bona fide. Naturally, absence of such evidence would make the issue over the pregnancy a more difficult hurdle to overcome.

[Jasman0717 9]

(I don't want to give too many details)

So... a female friend of mine married a man from another country about 2 years ago, the paperwork is being held up and she had to re-do it. During this time she had an affair and has gotten pregnant (with the other man, not the husband)... She does not want to get an abortion..

She has told him about it and he's obviously upset but still wants to come here and make it work...

Would the pregnancy be a problem? Would it make it more difficult to get him over here? Would they even have to tell anyone? Is it something that the gov/ins/whatever would even find out about if no one said anything? Would they have to say that it's his child/leave the birth certificate blank/put the real fathers name on it? Would it cause any problems later on when he tries to get is SS card?

I don't know, she feels terrible and I'm just trying to get some info to help her, and him out.

thank you.

(p.s. I know what she did was horrible, she knows, I just need info here for them)

Your friend's husband needs professional help because he's crazy if he stays with her.

Once a cheater always a cheater plus the guy could be liable for child support in the future

Edited December 29, 2006 by jasman0717

[garya505 2]

(I don't want to give too many details)

So... a female friend of mine married a man from another country about 2 years ago, the paperwork is being held up and she had to re-do it. During this time she had an affair and has gotten pregnant (with the other man, not the husband)... She does not want to get an abortion..

She has told him about it and he's obviously upset but still wants to come here and make it work...

Would the pregnancy be a problem? Would it make it more difficult to get him over here? Would they even have to tell anyone? Is it something that the gov/ins/whatever would even find out about if no one said anything? Would they have to say that it's his child/leave the birth certificate blank/put the real fathers name on it? Would it cause any problems later on when he tries to get is SS card?

I don't know, she feels terrible and I'm just trying to get some info to help her, and him out.

thank you.

(p.s. I know what she did was horrible, she knows, I just need info here for them)

Your friend's husband needs professional help because he's crazy if he stays with her.

Once a cheater always a cheater plus the guy could be liable for child support in the future

[Yodrak 7]

garya,

There always is more. No poster ever gives the full story - time, space, and understanding of what might or might not be important always prevents that.

Yodrak

Hmmm, I think there could be more to this story than the OP gave us.