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What's the point of all this when all involved are dead?

I would imagine clearing an innocent man's name would be a good thing for his memory and his family, at the very least. I know I'd want MY family to know I didn't do it if I were executed unfairly.

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I would imagine clearing an innocent man's name would be a good thing for his memory and his family, at the very least. I know I'd want MY family to know I didn't do it if I were executed unfairly.

Can't the governor just grant him clemency or pardon him posthumously? He was 14 so I doubt he has any surviving children. To put on a trial with no live reliable witnesses and a defendant that has been dead for 70 years, seems like a monumental waste of time, money, and resources.

Next thing you know people will want to retry the witches from Salem that were wrongly burned at the stake.

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I would imagine clearing an innocent man's name would be a good thing for his memory and his family, at the very least. I know I'd want MY family to know I didn't do it if I were executed unfairly.

Where is your "proof" of innocence?

If clearing names is a goal you could clear a whole bunch of them by simply retrying everyone...... I mean after all when the standard for guilt is "beyond a reasonable doubt"

there are few old cases which would convict.

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If clearing names is a goal you could clear a whole bunch of them by simply retrying everyone...... I mean after all when the standard for guilt is "beyond a reasonable doubt"

Today, yes. In 1944, the standard for guilt was more along the lines of "guilty if black".

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Can't the governor just grant him clemency or pardon him posthumously? He was 14 so I doubt he has any surviving children. To put on a trial with no live reliable witnesses and a defendant that has been dead for 70 years, seems like a monumental waste of time, money, and resources.

Next thing you know people will want to retry the witches from Salem that were wrongly burned at the stake.

I believe the way these things work is the existing evidence is reviewed by a judge or panel of judges against any new evidence that may have come to light since the conviction, or whether or not the existing evidence was fatally flawed or the trial unfair. I doubt it's a full trial as such.

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I believe the way these things work is the existing evidence is reviewed by a judge or panel of judges against any new evidence that may have come to light since the conviction, or whether or not the existing evidence was fatally flawed or the trial unfair. I doubt it's a full trial as such.

The original court is the trier of fact. Later courts cannot* change the facts as determined by the original court (jury). They can decide the law was improperly applied, or the presentation of the evidence was flawed, as in exculpatory evidence was not shown to the jury, either through deliberate misconduct, incompetent counsel, or was discovered after the verdict was rendered, and is of sufficient weight that it would have undeniably exonerated the accused when considered with all the evidence presented in the original court. The remedy would be to grant a new trial to the accused, not to reverse the original guilty verdict.

*Cannot, as in the appellate courts have shown great reluctance to do so. Nothing really prevents a court from giving any remedy it wants to, subject to reversal by a higher court.

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Today, yes. In 1944, the standard for guilt was more along the lines of "guilty if black".

It may be you have watched Mississippi Burning one time too many.

There were millions of Blacks in the country and a smaller percentage were locked up then, than we see today.

No doubt about it, some injustices took place and race as well as class worked to the disadvantage of many, with Blacks it was two strikes against them. We know is some cases the prison labor was sold in a money making scheme, such a place would indeed be looking for "bodies" but the numbers just do not bear out a wide spread effort to lock up every Black in the country.

This notion that every innocent black guy was on the verge of being kidnapped and shipped off to prison doesn't square with the reality.

Think about it, if people lived in such terror, one must ask ####### is wrong with them that they didn't just move to another state or area?

We know when jobs became available they moved.... why would they not do it to escape an unjust prison sentence?

If you want to make the case that everyone was just chomping at the bit to lock up as many Blacks as they could, post some numbers so that we might see how many were in the pen.

This story is about an individual case, without any of us knowing the facts, we hear have minds made up already.

IN this case, people were murdered, someone did it, is it logical to believe the family members, friends and police would rather the killer go free so a teenage Black kid could pay?

I would be more inclined to think a "rush to judgement" could have been made, ......everyone "thought" the kid did it and his confession cemented the deal.

The two things I would like to know about are.

-The competency of his defense.

- The nature of his confession.

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It may be you have watched Mississippi Burning one time too many.

There were millions of Blacks in the country and a smaller percentage were locked up then, than we see today.

No doubt about it, some injustices took place and race as well as class worked to the disadvantage of many, with Blacks it was two strikes against them. We know is some cases the prison labor was sold in a money making scheme, such a place would indeed be looking for "bodies" but the numbers just do not bear out a wide spread effort to lock up every Black in the country.

This notion that every innocent black guy was on the verge of being kidnapped and shipped off to prison doesn't square with the reality.

Think about it, if people lived in such terror, one must ask ####### is wrong with them that they didn't just move to another state or area?

We know when jobs became available they moved.... why would they not do it to escape an unjust prison sentence?

If you want to make the case that everyone was just chomping at the bit to lock up as many Blacks as they could, post some numbers so that we might see how many were in the pen.

This story is about an individual case, without any of us knowing the facts, we hear have minds made up already.

IN this case, people were murdered, someone did it, is it logical to believe the family members, friends and police would rather the killer go free so a teenage Black kid could pay?

I would be more inclined to think a "rush to judgement" could have been made, ......everyone "thought" the kid did it and his confession cemented the deal.

The two things I would like to know about are.

-The competency of his defense.

- The nature of his confession.

Tell you what Danno, here's your homework assignment since you love stats:

Look up how many folks are locked up for drugs and compare sentencing between blacks and whites

Look up the difference between schools with black and white students

Look up how blacks and white stack up when it comes to jobs

Google Rosewood

That's now, not back then. And back then black folks had no rights. This child was the first and only person executed in a hundred years. You've had kids shoot up schools and kill people, yet they are in jail. And to answer your question, it's way easier to blame a black child, since being black was a crime within itself.

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It may be you have watched Mississippi Burning one time too many.

Think about it, if people lived in such terror, one must ask ####### is wrong with them that they didn't just move to another state or area?

Danno, I have seen enough of your arguments in other threads to know going down this rabbit hole is a waste of time. But let me say...

I have never seen Mississippi burning. But I grew up far enough south to know that blacks were treated like trash even in the 60's when I came to be. And US history taught me some of what went on before that.

Not everyone has the ability to up and move. Particularly the poor. And with blacks in the south in the early-to-mid 1900s, guess how many were poor?

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The original court is the trier of fact. Later courts cannot* change the facts as determined by the original court (jury). They can decide the law was improperly applied, or the presentation of the evidence was flawed, as in exculpatory evidence was not shown to the jury, either through deliberate misconduct, incompetent counsel, or was discovered after the verdict was rendered, and is of sufficient weight that it would have undeniably exonerated the accused when considered with all the evidence presented in the original court. The remedy would be to grant a new trial to the accused, not to reverse the original guilty verdict.

*Cannot, as in the appellate courts have shown great reluctance to do so. Nothing really prevents a court from giving any remedy it wants to, subject to reversal by a higher court.

You are too smart to be wallering around in here with the unwashed masses.

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Danno, I have seen enough of your arguments in other threads to know going down this rabbit hole is a waste of time. But let me say...

I have never seen Mississippi burning. But I grew up far enough south to know that blacks were treated like trash even in the 60's when I came to be. And US history taught me some of what went on before that.

Not everyone has the ability to up and move. Particularly the poor. And with blacks in the south in the early-to-mid 1900s, guess how many were poor?

Your shared thoughts are never a waste of time....not with me anyway.

I don't disagree with your observations and your overall thought.... I just think no one ever dares to present a balanced view. And because of that we are left with looking at the most extreme incidents and examples and building an exaggerated history.

If I were in a room of people trying to discount the burden Blacks had in the world, in this country and in the South, I would be debating it from the other angle.

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You are too smart to be wallering around in here with the unwashed masses.

Pffft! I am just old. The stuff I want to remember I can't, and the useless stuff is no problem. Besides, there is the Seventh Amendment to the USC:

In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law

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Your shared thoughts are never a waste of time....not with me anyway.

I don't disagree with your observations and your overall thought.... I just think no one ever dares to present a balanced view. And because of that we are left with looking at the most extreme incidents and examples and building an exaggerated history.

If I were in a room of people trying to discount the burden Blacks had in the world, in this country and in the South, I would be debating it from the other angle.

And what balance was there back in the 1940's for black people?

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And what balance was there back in the 1940's for black people?

Yeah, I guess you missed it again.

Man A- Don't you know every Black man was sent to Jail in 1940.

Man B- Every single one?

Man A- Yes every single one and if you question my numbers it simply proves you supported this travesty.

Man B- What numbers.... you simply made a claim that every black man was jailed...with no proof.

Man A- Google it.

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Yeah, I guess you missed it again.

Man A- Don't you know every Black man was sent to Jail in 1940.

Man B- Every single one?

Man A- Yes every single one and if you question my numbers it simply proves you supported this travesty.

Man B- What numbers.... you simply made a claim that every black man was jailed...with no proof.

Man A- Google it.

Sounds like your typical chronology of debating liberal in here

cept it usually ends with an insult and a you can not comprehend" I.E. my points make no sense to anyone but me and the DNC staffer who wrote them"

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