Surge in illegal kids at the US-Mexican Border

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I don't know about the GOP, but I don't think that only black people are on welfare. However, it seems to be a larger issue in the black community than other races. Espeically when you look at the percentages of black folks on govt. assistance compared to their overall percentage of the population.

True, but hear anyone else tell it, there are no other people on welfare BUT black folks. Every single time someone in the GOP talks about welfare, it's those lazy blacks. Every time someone brings up welfare on this website, it's Jamal and his 15 baby mamas, or Shaniqua getting her hair and nails done.

http://40acresandacubicle.com/2012/01/19/witch-hunt-for-the-welfare-queen/

Every since Reagan coined the phrase Welfare Queen, it's been stuck within our community that blacks on the dole abuse the system. This is why when Rick Santorum talked about welfare, he singled out black people, not poor people. Same with Newt Gingrinch.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

I don't know about the GOP, but I don't think that only black people are on welfare. However, it seems to be a larger issue in the black community than other races. Espeically when you look at the percentages of black folks on govt. assistance compared to their overall percentage of the population.

Sooo, all black people are responsible for each other, right?

How about this. It is easier for anybody else to get a job, but not that black so in so. People get tired of the struggle. Some people have motivation to keep fighting the odds and some do not. Why do we not get equal education in black neighborhoods?

Why do white people produce the biggest group of child rapist, rapist and molesters? Are you responsible for this? Why do middle age white men participate in child sex tourism than any other race?

Here is a simple answer. All people can't be held accountable for what people they don't know are doing. Simple said and done.

[Karee 4,191]

Sooo, all black people are responsible for each other, right?

If you say so. I've never stated that.

How about this. It is easier for anybody else to get a job, but not that black so in so. People get tired of the struggle. Some people have motivation to keep fighting the odds and some do not. Why do we not get equal education in black neighborhoods?

Why do white people produce the biggest group of child rapist, rapist and molesters? Are you responsible for this? Why do middle age white men participate in child sex tourism than any other race?

Here is a simple answer. All people can't be held accountable for what people they don't know are doing. Simple said and done.

I have no idea what that babble is all about.

[GandD 5,966]

Sooo, all black people are responsible for each other, right?

How about this. It is easier for anybody else to get a job, but not that black so in so. People get tired of the struggle. Some people have motivation to keep fighting the odds and some do not. Why do we not get equal education in black neighborhoods?

Because the black neighborhoods you're talking about are poor. Why do white kids born in eastern Kentucky not get the education white kids do in Western Kentucky?

It all about money. If black folks had more money, they'd get better stuff.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

If you say so. I've never stated that.

I have no idea what that babble is all about.

I just love how people point out only the problems in the black community but never problems in their own.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Because the black neighborhoods you're talking about are poor. Why do white kids born in eastern Kentucky not get the education white kids do in Western Kentucky?

It all about money. If black folks had more money, they'd get better stuff.

That's true. But we know the majority of blacks start out disadvantaged. Our past constantly play a role in how well we do.

[JohnR! 5,495]

Because the black neighborhoods you're talking about are poor. Why do white kids born in eastern Kentucky not get the education white kids do in Western Kentucky?

It all about money. If black folks had more money, they'd get better stuff.

True. However, we also need to recognize that the Civil Rights movement is barely 50 years old, which is to say the prevailing white culture in America had roughly a 150 year head start on blacks. Many are only to quick to dismiss the issue and claim that blacks were afforded equal rights at the end of the civil war, but until the mid-60's many blacks still were under invisible shackles of denied opportunities in education, and in the work place. If many blacks don't have more money today is because most of them do not come from families where money and property - thence political influence - was handed down from one generation to another.

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[Karee 4,191]

True. However, we also need to recognize that the Civil Rights movement is barely 50 years old, which is to say the prevailing white culture in America had roughly a 150 year head start on blacks. Many are only to quick to dismiss the issue and claim that blacks were afforded equal rights at the end of the civil war, but until the mid-60's many blacks still were under invisible shackles of denied opportunities in education, and in the work place. If many blacks don't have more money today is because most of them do not come from families where money and property - thence political influence - was handed down from one generation to another.

I'd be curious to know how well black folks have done since the civil rights laws were enacted 50 years ago. Are they better off etc. etc.?? I honestly don't know the answer but I suspect it isn't the solution that everyone thought it was. Getting somewhere in life actually takes some work. Asking the govt. to do it for you probably doesn't work out so well.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

I'd be curious to know how well black folks have done since the civil rights laws were enacted 50 years ago. Are they better off etc. etc.?? I honestly don't know the answer but I suspect it isn't the solution that everyone thought it was. Getting somewhere in life actually takes some work. Asking the govt. to do it for you probably doesn't work out so well.

While ignoring the many blacks that do not ask the government, right?

[GandD 5,966]

That's true. But we know the majority of blacks start out disadvantaged. Our past constantly play a role in how well we do.

Some, no doubt. But its a challenge you guys can and should meet.

[JohnR! 5,495]

I'd be curious to know how well black folks have done since the civil rights laws were enacted 50 years ago. Are they better off etc. etc.?? I honestly don't know the answer but I suspect it isn't the solution that everyone thought it was. Getting somewhere in life actually takes some work. Asking the govt. to do it for you probably doesn't work out so well.

Alas you are correct in that acquiring equal rights was not a solution to anything. It was the moral and right thing to do, because segregation remains one of the most obscene set of laws ever enacted in this country. However, my point was precisely that: Civil Rights was not a solution so much as it was the correction of a huge mistake. However, no law could help make up for the 100+ years blacks were segregated and denied the same opportunity as whites.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Alas you are correct in that acquiring equal rights was not a solution to anything. It was the moral and right thing to do, because segregation remains one of the most obscene set of laws ever enacted in this country. However, my point was precisely that: Civil Rights was not a solution so much as it was the correction of a huge mistake. However, no law could help make up for the 100+ years blacks were segregated and denied the same opportunity as whites.

Exactly the point.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I'd be curious to know how well black folks have done since the civil rights laws were enacted 50 years ago. Are they better off etc. etc.?? I honestly don't know the answer but I suspect it isn't the solution that everyone thought it was. Getting somewhere in life actually takes some work. Asking the govt. to do it for you probably doesn't work out so well.

I'd say average or close to it. My granddad grew up during that time so I get a first hand account on how it was. Here's what he had to say about it:

1. It started way back when blacks tried to assimilate into white culture. Back then he said, black people didn't have the luxury to be lazy or ignorant. Men would take off their hats if a lady walked by, you showed your family respect, and you knew how to act in public. My mother raised me this way. He would lament that when black people would work hard to move out there with whites in the nice neighborhood, the white people would move out. Once that happened, the support system went with it. I believe this is called white flight. Once that happens, crime and poverty creeps in. Your neighborhood goes to ####### because the city doesn't clean the streets, the cops are all but non existant, and the value of the houses goes down and more blacks move in. This is why it pisses me off that blacks are told to clean up their own neighborhoods. The city does it for white people, but not black people. That's the special treatment we get.

2. Because now we have "freedom", we want to act any way we want. The difference between an ignorant black person and an ignorant white person is this. The white person is just that. The black person speaks for his entire race. It's highlighted in tv, radio, movies. This is why the word thug is used for black men only. Hockey players that fight on the ice are never called thugs. Richard Sherman goes on a rant about going to the super bowl, he's a thug. One with a 4.1 GPA I might add. Black folks spent so much time being told what they couldn't do, it's the reason they go out and buy designer stuff. White people do it too, but it's not big deal because at no point in history you were told you couldn't.

[Karee 4,191]

I'd say average or close to it. My granddad grew up during that time so I get a first hand account on how it was. Here's what he had to say about it:

1. It started way back when blacks tried to assimilate into white culture. Back then he said, black people didn't have the luxury to be lazy or ignorant. Men would take off their hats if a lady walked by, you showed your family respect, and you knew how to act in public. My mother raised me this way. He would lament that when black people would work hard to move out there with whites in the nice neighborhood, the white people would move out. Once that happened, the support system went with it. I believe this is called white flight. Once that happens, crime and poverty creeps in. Your neighborhood goes to ####### because the city doesn't clean the streets, the cops are all but non existant, and the value of the houses goes down and more blacks move in. This is why it pisses me off that blacks are told to clean up their own neighborhoods. The city does it for white people, but not black people. That's the special treatment we get.

I don't know about other cities, I can only speak about Detroit where I grew up. The reason our family and a lot of other families moved was because of forced integration in the school system. They called it bussing. In the middle of second grade I was yanked out of my school and forced to get on a bus everyday to go 4 or 5 miles back and forth to a different school in the name of "racial harmony" Where as before I just walked to school. My parents said screw that, and we moved out to the suburbs along with many other families. Now this was only one reason of many. The mayor at the time, the great Coleman A. Young, would also scream racism whenever he was about to get caught in one of his many many corruption scandals. Guess what? It worked like a charm. He never had to answer for any of it. So Detroit turned into one of the highest percentage black cities in the country, if not the highest. The Mayor would constantly blame the white man for all the ills of the city. And he was elected over and over again based on this. He didn't even try to tone it down or hide it. He made these types of proclamations in public, in interviews etc. etc. Now if you're a white family, would you hang around? This sort of thing continued for years with after he died with other mayors. FInally they elected a decent guy (Dave Bing) who seemed to get it, but it was too late, the place was already too far gone. In the most recent election they actually elected a white guy which blew my mind. I think the citizens of Detroit are finally figuring it's best to elect the most qualified candidate, not the one that looks the most like you.

I'd argue the city wasn't being taken care of because the black mayor was too busy using the funds to enrich himself in the name of racism and while doing so hurt black folks more than any white man could ever have.

Alas you are correct in that acquiring equal rights was not a solution to anything. It was the moral and right thing to do, because segregation remains one of the most obscene set of laws ever enacted in this country. However, my point was precisely that: Civil Rights was not a solution so much as it was the correction of a huge mistake. However, no law could help make up for the 100+ years blacks were segregated and denied the same opportunity as whites.

So how do we measure when things are equal? What's the tipping point?

[JohnR! 5,495]

So how do we measure when things are equal? What's the tipping point?

I think we need to get to a point when things are equal before we can measure any advances.