Surge in illegal kids at the US-Mexican Border

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

What laws did they break?

None, except I'd wager the Native Americans that were living here wish there were rules in place.

• http://www.essortment.com/requirements-immigrants-ellis-island-21024.html

• Immigrants who entered the United States at Ellis Island were not permitted to remain in the country if they had a contagious disease such as smallpox, yellow fever or the measles. If they were deemed likely to end up needing to receive welfare or otherwise seemed unable to provide for themselves, they would be refused admission. Finally, if they were assessed as likely to become an illegal contract laborer, they would be refused entry. People who seemed to be "alien radicals" were interned. The records of many of the immigrants who entered the country at Ellis Island have become part of its archive. The island is a significant tourist destination, and its website contains links to where the descendants of these immigrants can go when doing genealogical research about their family (see Resources below).
• Immigrants had to pass the medical inspection before being admitted to the country. It started with a trip up three flights of stairs. This would reveal whether the immigrant suffered from any physical disability, lameness, shortness of breath or obvious heart condition. It was followed by what became known as the "six-second physical." Not only did the doctor-inspections want to prevent people who had infectious diseases from entering the country, they also looked for evidence of chronic illness, mental illness and trachoma.

  • Considerations
    Immigrants at Ellis Island also had to pass a legal inspection, which was done by means of a series of 29 questions. Because many of the immigrants did not speak English, the questions were translated into 39 languages. The immigrants were required to answer questions about their name, gender, marital status, occupation, literacy, race and health. They were asked if they had ever been to prison, were polygamists or had ever participated in anarchist activity.

Go back further. Like to the pilgrimage.

[SteveXXJuliet 27]

Shame on you Robby! They aren't illegal children, nor are their parents "illegal parents," they are "undocumented children" and the parents are "documetarily challenged parental units." Quickly now--go stand in the corner!

Many look at the small number (after all it's only ~12,500,000) of nationality (documtarily) challenged people in the US as a problem, but you see, for many it's not, and of course the “problem” of 13,628 new children without proper papers, while it might be a problem for you, that is—if you pay taxes, is not a problem, but rather a “boom” for some. Realize that the top 1% in the US doesn’t pay taxes or pays very little and besides—if you’re making a bundle and have to give a bit back—who cares.

Take a look:

13,628 cute kids, housed, clothed, fed, at an estimated $23,876 per child comes to $325,382,128 per year. ( $23,876 is what it costs just to keep a prisoner in California in a tiny cell in prison each year). And now let’s add in that each child must have good medical and dental care. Hey, let’s agree on a half a billion as a round figure, ok? Well—that money doesn’t simply churn round and round in some governmental entity any more than does America’s prison system. It’s big business, and as we all know—in business more is better.

Consider this: “According to the AP report, “A decade ago, more than 3,300 criminal immigrants were sent to private prisons under two 10-year contracts the Federal Bureau of Prisons signed with [Corrections Corporation of America] worth $760 million. Now, the agency is paying the private companies $5.1 billion to hold more than 23,000 criminal immigrants through 13 contracts of varying lengths.” http://americanhumanist.org/hnn/details/2012-08-the-greed-of-private-prisons Extrapolate brother, extrapolate—business loves these kids. Follow the money. If I use the above number per child in my calculations above—if all children were sent to private (commercial) providers the tab per year is a tad more than $3 billion.

So what’s the problem Robby? Oh, I see—you aren’t one of the 1%. Now I understand.

Ok the above is a bit tongue in cheek, but only a bit. Illegals are big business.

My wife left me on January 8^th this year. I had married her on December 3rd. Late in the afternoon of the 7^th we received notice from USCIS that AOS was accepted. She simply up and left the next day, off to Arizona, I’m guessing—to live with her Sister.

How does this tie into the above—wait and see.

Ate (elder sister in Philippine culture) lives in Arizona, in Phoenix. Juliet says she is illegal and has been so for many years and so is her husband. They live in a lovely home in Surprise, a town near Phoenix. It’s the second home they purchased in 2012. (Public records).

Juliet told me that Ate works as an LNA (Licensed Nurses Assistant) and makes $20/hour. She says her Ate often works 12 hour shifts. But Ate has attempted the LNA exam 4 times, and has failed each time, (Arizona Board of Nursing records are public records and I’m guessing that they require no proof of citizenship) so she’s not an LNA, yet either is working as one, or seems to be providing some sort of medical care. So it’s logical to assume, if what Juliet says about her sister (other than being an LNA) is true then Ate clears about $41,000 each year. If true—that’s tax free income. Ate put Juliet though Caretaker school. I was surprised to see the certificate one day. I'm no longer surprised that she had it and brought it here.

Juliet has pointed out to me that Ate owns a house West of Cebu City, another house near Carcar City, and I’m inclined that she also built the house that my wife told me she built in Greenhills, Cebu. It's a nice house--two storys. Additionally Juliet has pointed out land that Ate owns near Jetafe in Bohol. For the sake of discussion I’ll just ignore the $22,000 the couple made by house-flipping (again—public records). Now I’m thinking I see where this cash goes. Hmmm...if Juliet does the same as Ate (and Juliet will pass the LNA exam the 1st time without a question--she's very smart, one of the reasons I married her) that'll be at least $82,000 tax free each year. Now I'm seeing how Ate plans to make good on Juliet's claim that Ate will bring the entire family here.

How is this possible? Well, imagine you have an ill parent who needs four hours of care each day. You have two choices: Pay $45/hour to an agency for a real LNA or pay $20-25 under the table to a poor immigrant whose mean host (host fits as in parasite/host) country won’t let her stay here. Oh wait—I forgot—Ate’s been here, so says Juliet for five years. How—I don’t know—haven’t a clue. H1B visa maybe—but she hasn’t skills suitable for an H1B. Now Juliet told me that brother is being sent to school for auto mechanics and that Ate will bring him to America. How? I don’t know, can H1B visas be purchased? And how is it that Ate flies to the Phils each year and back. This does not sound documtarily challenged at all.

The bottom line: Illegals serve a monetarily purpose for a segment of the American population—a powerful and elite segment. Get used to it—it’s not going to change.

What's my problem, alas, the same as Robby's problem--I just need to get myself in the 1% category, then maybe my wife would have stayed.

.

Or—don’t mind me, after all who’s going to listen to a guy who uses words that don’t even exist—documentarily? There is no such word silly boy.

Edited January 22, 2014 by SteveXXJuliet

[B_J 2,752]

I love when somebody doesn't just dip their foot into P&R but just jumps right in.

Sorry, but P&R is so much easier to type than CE&HST

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

What I find so funny about this subject, is that people are crapping all over immigrants for doing EXACTLY what your ancestors did. Except, they didn't fill out any paperwork...

My ancestors did not sneak into this county illegally and live here illegally, while circumventing many of our laws

I know this problem will never get better until we as a nation resolve to attack this problem head-on realistically! Why pass new legislation when politicians refuse to enforce current laws. The simple answer is take away the attraction that draws them here. Revoke business licenses of individuals and companies that employ illegal aliens, since many companies do not worry about the fines that can negotiated down to next to nothing anyhow. I do not mean just companies with over 50 or 100 employees, I mean every company with 2 or more employees. Many people will say it will be impossible to police the companies that employ illegals, that would be the perfect job for IRS agents.

As the former ops manager for a company here in Mid Ga that knowingly employed illegals.

It would not be hard.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Shame on you Robby! They aren't illegal children, nor are their parents "illegal parents," they are "undocumented children" and the parents are "documetarily challenged parental units." Quickly now--go stand in the corner!

Many look at the small number (after all it's only ~12,500,000) of nationality (documtarily) challenged people in the US as a problem, but you see, for many it's not, and of course the “problem” of 13,628 new children without proper papers, while it might be a problem for you, that is—if you pay taxes, is not a problem, but rather a “boom” for some. Realize that the top 1% in the US doesn’t pay taxes or pays very little and besides—if you’re making a bundle and have to give a bit back—who cares.

Take a look:

13,628 cute kids, housed, clothed, fed, at an estimated $23,876 per child comes to $325,382,128 per year. ( $23,876 is what it costs just to keep a prisoner in California in a tiny cell in prison each year). And now let’s add in that each child must have good medical and dental care. Hey, let’s agree on a half a billion as a round figure, ok? Well—that money doesn’t simply churn round and round in some governmental entity any more than does America’s prison system. It’s big business, and as we all know—in business more is better.

Consider this: “According to the AP report, “A decade ago, more than 3,300 criminal immigrants were sent to private prisons under two 10-year contracts the Federal Bureau of Prisons signed with [Corrections Corporation of America] worth $760 million. Now, the agency is paying the private companies $5.1 billion to hold more than 23,000 criminal immigrants through 13 contracts of varying lengths.” http://americanhumanist.org/hnn/details/2012-08-the-greed-of-private-prisons Extrapolate brother, extrapolate—business loves these kids. Follow the money. If I use the above number per child in my calculations above—if all children were sent to private (commercial) providers the tab per year is a tad more than $3 billion.

So what’s the problem Robby? Oh, I see—you aren’t one of the 1%. Now I understand.

Ok the above is a bit tongue in cheek, but only a bit. Illegals are big business.

My wife left me on January 8^th this year. I had married her on December 3rd. Late in the afternoon of the 7^th we received notice from USCIS that AOS was accepted. She simply up and left the next day, off to Arizona, I’m guessing—to live with her Sister.

How does this tie into the above—wait and see.

Ate (elder sister in Philippine culture) lives in Arizona, in Phoenix. Juliet says she is illegal and has been so for many years and so is her husband. They live in a lovely home in Surprise, a town near Phoenix. It’s the second home they purchased in 2012. (Public records).

Juliet told me that Ate works as an LNA (Licensed Nurses Assistant) and makes $20/hour. She says her Ate often works 12 hour shifts. But Ate has attempted the LNA exam 4 times, and has failed each time, (Arizona Board of Nursing records are public records and I’m guessing that they require no proof of citizenship) so she’s not an LNA, yet either is working as one, or seems to be providing some sort of medical care. So it’s logical to assume, if what Juliet says about her sister (other than being an LNA) is true then Ate clears about $41,000 each year. If true—that’s tax free income. Ate put Juliet though Caretaker school. I was surprised to see the certificate one day. I'm no longer surprised that she had it and brought it here.

Juliet has pointed out to me that Ate owns a house West of Cebu City, another house near Carcar City, and I’m inclined that she also built the house that my wife told me she built in Greenhills, Cebu. It's a nice house--two storys. Additionally Juliet has pointed out land that Ate owns near Jetafe in Bohol. For the sake of discussion I’ll just ignore the $22,000 the couple made by house-flipping (again—public records). Now I’m thinking I see where this cash goes. Hmmm...if Juliet does the same as Ate (and Juliet will pass the LNA exam the 1st time without a question--she's very smart, one of the reasons I married her) that'll be at least $82,000 tax free each year. Now I'm seeing how Ate plans to make good on Juliet's claim that Ate will bring the entire family here.

How is this possible? Well, imagine you have an ill parent who needs four hours of care each day. You have two choices: Pay $45/hour to an agency for a real LNA or pay $20-25 under the table to a poor immigrant whose mean host (host fits as in parasite/host) country won’t let her stay here. Oh wait—I forgot—Ate’s been here, so says Juliet for five years. How—I don’t know—haven’t a clue. H1B visa maybe—but she hasn’t skills suitable for an H1B. Now Juliet told me that brother is being sent to school for auto mechanics and that Ate will bring him to America. How? I don’t know, can H1B visas be purchased? And how is it that Ate flies to the Phils each year and back. This does not sound documtarily challenged at all.

The bottom line: Illegals serve a monetarily purpose for a segment of the American population—a powerful and elite segment. Get used to it—it’s not going to change.

What's my problem, alas, the same as Robby's problem--I just need to get myself in the 1% category, then maybe my wife would have stayed.

.

Or—don’t mind me, after all who’s going to listen to a guy who uses words that don’t even exist—documentarily? There is no such word silly boy.

Your wife left. Find another one move on. So your wife would have stayed if you were the 1%.. Confused. Report the wench to INS.

[SteveXXJuliet 27]

Your wife left. Find another one move on. So your wife would have stayed if you were the 1%.. Confused. Report the wench to INS.

Sound advice, I'ma movin' bro! Gee, I hadn't thought of that...thanks for the kick.

Uh confused? About what? Wife's gone--ain't comin' back. I'm wearing the t-shirt that says "Stupid USC" what more do you want?

Confused--what's your point?

And will the INS or ICE do anything? And if I give the name and address of the sister and husband too--will anything be done.

I don't think so.

That's what I mean--illegals are big business, and the system doesn't want the boat rocked. Estimates of illegals working in my tiny state of New Hampshire is 10,500. What has been done about that--nothing. What will be done, occasional bits here and there for show, but nothing meaningful.

The people here (for the most part) abide by the rules and regulations, we pay and pay.... and for the most part it works well. It's just sad that there are over ten million who never abided by any rules and who never pay a cent.

Edited January 22, 2014 by SteveXXJuliet

[JohnR! 5,495]

My ancestors did not sneak into this county illegally and live here illegally, while circumventing many of our laws

[GandD 5,966]

I love when somebody doesn't just dip their foot into P&R but just jumps right in.

Balls deep

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Sound advice, I'ma movin' bro! Gee, I hadn't thought of that...thanks for the kick.

Uh confused? About what? Wife's gone--ain't comin' back. I'm wearing the t-shirt that says "Stupid USC" what more do you want?

Confused--what's your point?

And will the INS or ICE do anything? And if I give the name and address of the sister and husband too--will anything be done.

I don't think so.

That's what I mean--illegals are big business, and the system doesn't want the boat rocked. Estimates of illegals working in my tiny state of New Hampshire is 10,500. What has been done about that--nothing. What will be done, occasional bits here and there for show, but nothing meaningful.

The people here (for the most part) abide by the rules and regulations, we pay and pay.... and for the most part it works well. It's just sad that there are over ten million who never abided by any rules and who never pay a cent.

You said you had just filed AOS.. She obviously came here under fraudulent purposes. Make sure when or if she files ROC you have it documented.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Well since the native american had no laws against immigration, and did not try to do anything about it until it was way too late. I say we could learn a lesson from that.

The lesson is, look what happened to the native Americans when they let foreigners over run their land, consume their resources and did nothing about it, until it was too late

Great point

[JohnR! 5,495]

Great point

Thanks. Too bad you missed it completely.

Edited January 22, 2014 by Gegel

[Karee 4,191]

Sound advice, I'ma movin' bro! Gee, I hadn't thought of that...thanks for the kick.

Uh confused? About what? Wife's gone--ain't comin' back. I'm wearing the t-shirt that says "Stupid USC" what more do you want?

Confused--what's your point?

And will the INS or ICE do anything? And if I give the name and address of the sister and husband too--will anything be done.

I don't think so.

That's what I mean--illegals are big business, and the system doesn't want the boat rocked. Estimates of illegals working in my tiny state of New Hampshire is 10,500. What has been done about that--nothing. What will be done, occasional bits here and there for show, but nothing meaningful.

The people here (for the most part) abide by the rules and regulations, we pay and pay.... and for the most part it works well. It's just sad that there are over ten million who never abided by any rules and who never pay a cent.

I'm sure someone has already told you, but I'll do it anyway. Make sure you pull the I-864. That will end any chance she has of adjusting status. She'll be here illegally once the 90 days are up. Not that that means much as you pointed out, but at least you wont be on the hook for anything.

You said you had just filed AOS.. She obviously came here under fraudulent purposes. Make sure when or if she files ROC you have it documented.

If he's smart and cancels the AOS, there will be no ROC.

[Merle 458]

What would the natives do though if we all left? There would be no more handouts and no one to gamble in their casinos.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

What would the natives do though if we all left? There would be no more handouts and no one to gamble in their casinos.

Nice way to broad sweep a group of people.

[Merle 458]

Thanks. Too bad you missed it completely.

I actually think he hit it right on the head.