Murders and rapes going unreported in no-go zones

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

That's what happens when the courts keep validating the crazy. At some point there will need to be a societal shift away from the attitude that you need a gun for protection. Problem is, you need a gun to protect yourself from other people with guns (hard to argue against that point), so the insanity just keeps spiraling out of control.

Not if you choose to not be intimidated. There were some horrific crimes in and around the areas I lived in in the US, but I never once felt like buying a gun.

Sometimes its best to not add to the crazy.

Edited January 20, 2014 by Papa Lazarou

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Lost is good for about 2 posts before facts make their way into the discussion. Then he goes away.

Sad but true.

[Novembro 1,763]

That's why you marry one that doesn't speak English. Get with the program!

So I'm learning from TLC. Thanks, learning channel!

[SMOKE 1,426]

bucko

[Karee 4,191]

There were some horrific crimes in and around the areas I lived in in the US, but I never once felt like buying a gun.

Same here. OTOH, I'm not allowed to legally own a gun. Even if I was, I wouldn't buy one unless it was for hunting.

[Karee 4,191]

So I'm learning from TLC. Thanks, learning channel!

Man that show was difficult to watch. The Brazilian girl seemed like the only one out of the bunch (USCs included) that was somewhat stable.

[Novembro 1,763]

Man that show was difficult to watch. The Brazilian girl seemed like the only one out of the bunch (USCs included) that was somewhat stable.

Not even kidding, I'd like to jump off a building right now.

OH LOL MAYBE I'LL PETITION DIS BISH

DO I WANNA MARRY HER? LOL I DUNNO GIVE ME 90 DAYS

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Same here. OTOH, I'm not allowed to legally own a gun. Even if I was, I wouldn't buy one unless it was for hunting.

Going from posters on VJ you don't get a very good impression of gun owners. Seems to lot of hysterical freaks with short fuse tempers. Maybe some anger management classes would be helpful.

[Karee 4,191]

Going from posters on VJ you don't get a very good impression of gun owners. Seems to lot of hysterical freaks with short fuse tempers. Maybe some anger management classes would be helpful.

No doubt. I like to believe that peoples positions are amplified by 100 when posting with anonymity. Hopefully that's the case.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

The issue is this. Both sides are right, to an extent. Take the shooting over texting in the movie theatre. If he didn't have a gun, chances are the argument wouldn't have happened. Or at best, a bloody nose. But, when you look at people who are robbed, raped, and assaulted, a gun would come in handy.

If you could sit both sides down and take out the extremes, a solution could come out of that.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The issue is this. Both sides are right, to an extent. Take the shooting over texting in the movie theatre. If he didn't have a gun, chances are the argument wouldn't have happened. Or at best, a bloody nose. But, when you look at people who are robbed, raped, and assaulted, a gun would come in handy.

If you could sit both sides down and take out the extremes, a solution could come out of that.

Put the NRA up against the wall ;-)

[Danno 1,228]

Murders and rapes going unreported in no-go zones for police as minority communities launch own justice systems

• Rise in 'community justice' in Midlands cutting number of police calls
• Forces warn genital mutilations and honour killings are being kept hidden
• Follows conviction of Muslim Patrol group last year for 'enforcing sharia law'

By Sara Smyth

PUBLISHED: 20:51 EST, 17 January 2014 | UPDATED: 10:13 EST, 18 January 2014

Parts of the UK are becoming no-go areas for police because minority communities are operating their own justice systems, according to the Chief Inspector of Constabulary.

The rise in ‘community justice’ means crimes as serious as murder and sexual abuse are going unreported – a situation reminiscent of Belfast in the height of the Troubles.

Tom Winsor said police officers were simply never called to some neighbourhoods, where law-abiding people rather than criminals administer their own form of justice

‘It’s not that the police are afraid to go into these areas or don’t want to go into those areas,’ he said. ‘But if the police don’t get calls for help then, of course, they won’t know what’s going on.’

Honour killings, domestic violence, sexual abuse of children and female genital mutilations are some of the offences that are believed to be unreported in some cities.

Last December, three members of a self-styled ‘Muslim Patrol’ vigilante group were jailed for harassing, intimidating and assaulting people in East London while claiming they were enforcing sharia law.

Chief Inspector of Constabulary Tom Winsor warns police officers are never called to some areas

In an interview with The Times, Mr Winsor said: ‘It could be anything. [Honour killings] are the most extreme case. That is murder. There is no honour in it.’ Tory MP Douglas Carswell said the rising number of unreported crimes was a damning indictment of our police.

He told the Mail last night: ‘Directly elected police commissioners are an attempt to give people a direct say over the way people are policed. Elsewhere the administering of justice often is ineffective and there is a great deal of incompetence in the system.

‘People don’t feel they can count on their police. Instead of placing blame with ethnic minorities, we should ask what it is that is wrong with the criminal justice system.’

Although Mr Winsor did not specifically refer to any ethnic group, there have been growing concerns over the emergence of sharia courts in some Muslim communities.

Senior police officers said they disagreed with the description given by Mr Winsor, who became chief inspector in October 2012. He is the first person from a non-police background to hold the post.

But Chris Sims, Chief Constable of West Midlands Police, said: ‘I don’t know if he’s talking about Birmingham, but I have only had one conversation with him since he took office and it wasn’t about this.

‘His characterisation of these communities as born under other skies is just wrong. Many members of communities in Birmingham are British-born and I find that a very odd expression.’

Mr Winsor insisted that public trust in the police needed to be restored for a functioning justice system.

He said the police ‘are not a paramilitary force – they are citizens in uniform’.

A spokesman for the Muslim Council of Britain said: ‘We all rely on the police to protect our communities and this can be only done through full co-operation and partnership.

‘Co-operation is particularly important for Muslim communities who have experienced a rise in Islamophobic hate crimes.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2541635/Murders-rapes-going-unreported-no-zones-police-minority-communities-launch-justice-systems.html#ixzz2qyk6vISl

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What we have in this story are "community Organizers" Barry is no doubt proud.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

What we have in this story are "community Organizers" Barry is no doubt proud.

What does Obama have to do with this story? Oh that's right, nothing. You just have to make it about him.

Put the NRA up against the wall ;-)

I've stood toe to toe with a few members IRL. It's hard to justify having an AK-47 living in Belleville, IL. I try not to make them sound stupid, more or less, just point out that the need to have as much firepower as someone living in a war torn country is a bit much.

[Danno 1,228]

What does Obama have to do with this story? Oh that's right, nothing. You just have to make it about him.

Obama saw a vacuum in the community and stepped up to fill it, these folks did the same thing...... "Birds of a feather."

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Obama saw a vacuum in the community and stepped up to fill it, these folks did the same thing...... "Birds of a feather."

So in Chicago, Sharia law is running rampart? Are they honor killings going on there? What about genital mutilation?