What Chris Christie bridge scandal? Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

And yet, you did. And even moved to one of the main English-speaking nations so as to talk it more. Hmmm

But I'm a socialist. Or so I am told day in and day out around here.

And that even though I am one of few around here who weren't born free but actually had to fight for my freedom.

[GandD 5,966]

I wonder why it's been treated as a cover up. why it doesn't matter. Why Christie's Folly gets more coverage. Yeah, it happens all the time, but that doesn't make it any less important, nor do the families deserve to know what/why any less.

It's a political tool.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Why Christie's Folly gets more coverage.

Christie gets more coverage? Did you peruse the news in Sept 2012 and the months following? Hell, we still hear about Benghazi now - some year and quarter later. So when Bridgegate is still headline news in April 2015, you can say that it gets more coverage than Benghazi. But only then.

It's a political tool.

Exactly.

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

And that even though I am one of few around here who weren't born free but actually had to fight for my freedom.

Fight how?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Fight how?

I was born on the dark side of the iron curtain under communist rule. Dictatorship. We - as a people - came out of it peacefully changing things. There are good documentaries out there what happened and how people gained their freedom. I was on those front lines of that movement. People that were born here, were born free. I wasn't so lucky to have freedom just given to me into my cradle.

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

I was born on the dark side of the iron curtain under communist rule. Dictatorship. We - as a people - came out of it peacefully changing things. There are good documentaries out there what happened and how people gained their freedom. I was on those front lines of that movement. People that were born here, were born free. I wasn't so lucky to have freedom just given to me into my cradle.

Sure doesn't stop you from enjoying your freedom here now while you sit back and constantly talk shite about our country and its rules though, does it?

It wasn't always so luxurious here. If you recall from your US history, early days, people fought the seas to get here, fought the Indians to remain here, fought the elements to survive, much as they did in other countries. That's the very reason why people who live here today still own guns. It took guns to shape this nation, to give is the freedom from tyrannical rule in another land. It was fought for, much like you say you fought. Your fight just happened later is all.

I applaud your escape from communist rule. Could not have been an easy nor a desirable life. I have a friend who escaped too, to the tune of AK-47 gunfire and dogs growling at his heels. All the way across Germany, into US-friendly areas. Then a trip across the ocean, followed by serving in the US Army. He TRULY fought for his freedom. In all the years I knew him, I never heard him utter one cross word against the US or our laws; he was always busy talking about how proud he was to become a USC and to finally be in a country where he could be free to raise his family.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Sure doesn't stop you from enjoying your freedom here now while you sit back and constantly talk shite about our country and its rules though, does it?

That's what freedom is all about - to be able to speak my mind even if you find that uncomfortable. Tough titties is all I can say. You might have liked East Germany where all that was allowed was to praise the state and system. Anything else would land you on surveillance and continued non-compliance would land you in jail. No contrary views. You would have liked that, I guess.

It wasn't always so luxurious here. If you recall from your US history, early days, people fought the seas to get here, fought the Indians to remain here, fought the elements to survive, much as they did in other countries. That's the very reason why people who live here today still own guns. It took guns to shape this nation, to give is the freedom from tyrannical rule in another land. It was fought for, much like you say you fought. Your fight just happened later is all.

It wasn't always so luxurious? Newsflash - it still isn't. It's comfortable for sure but luxurious looks different. Yes, the old days were certainly harsher and I am sure more of a struggle and fight than I could even imagine. But none of the people around now have had to endure any of that. All the people that were born here and that still around today - with the exception of the elder black folk - were born with freedom and liberty as a gift into their cradle.

I applaud your escape from communist rule. Could not have been an easy nor a desirable life. I have a friend who escaped too, to the tune of AK-47 gunfire and dogs growling at his heels. All the way across Germany, into US-friendly areas. Then a trip across the ocean, followed by serving in the US Army. He TRULY fought for his freedom. In all the years I knew him, I never heard him utter one cross word against the US or our laws; he was always busy talking about how proud he was to become a USC and to finally be in a country where he could be free to raise his family.

Different stroked for different folks, I guess. But again, uniformity is what I left behind.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

But I'm a socialist. Or so I am told day in and day out around here.

And that even though I am one of few around here who weren't born free but actually had to fight for my freedom.

Shame is, you dont know what you are. You just do what your told.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU2GhBQsmro

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Shame is, you dont know what you are. You just do what your told.

Marc! Dropping in with clips again? Post some more of them. Quick!

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Marc! Dropping in with clips again? Post some more of them. Quick!

Leading is something you will never know! Following seems to be yo thang!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Leading is something you will never know! Following seems to be yo thang!

Post another clip, why don't you? Or are you all out already?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

That's it? Two clips? That's all you got, Marc? You've seen better days. Hope you get well.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Leading is something you will never know! Following seems to be yo thang!

If you put all of your posts together you'd have the lyrics for a 3rd rate rock song. Any good with writing music?

[Merle 458]

I believe many people are still talking about Benghazi because of all the initial misinformation spread by the administration. I don't think anyone will ever know the truth. However, I don't recall Bush talking any nonsense about what happened on 9/11/2001 other than it was a terrorist attack. If the following information is true, it couldn't have come at a worse time for the Obama administration: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2539034/Top-secret-Benghazi-documents-prove-Obama-administration-knew-terrorist-attack-minutes.html

Top secret Benghazi documents prove Obama administration 'knew about terrorist attack within minutes'

Pentagon officials knew almost immediately that the attack on the U.S. facility in Benghazi, Libya, on 9-11-2012 was a terrorist attack and not a demonstration gone wrong, declassified documents have shown.

The documents - which were obtained by Fox News and contain 450 pages of top secret testimonies about the attack - has proven the Obama administration lied about the cause of the attack for two weeks afterward, having repeatedly maintained it was sparked by a violent demonstration against an anti-Islamic movie.

According to the documents, Gen. Carter Ham - who at the time was head of AFRICOM, the Defense Department combatant command with jurisdiction over Libya - said that while there was mention of the demonstrations - which started on the same day day as Benghazi but in Egypt - he and the other commanders involved were always clear that Benghazi was a terrorist attack.

That information was delivered to President Obama and his top advisers, including then-Defense Secretary Leon Panetta.

However the government said the attack was caused out of protest of Innocence of Muslims, a controversial 14-minute video uploaded to YouTube that was seen as denigrating of the prophet Muhammad.

The movie subsequently caused a breakout of violence in Egypt on September 11 that spread to other Arab and Muslim nations and caused the death of 50 people.

That night, a heavily armed group of between 125 and 150 gunmen attacked the American diplomatic mission at Benghazi, killing U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and another diplomat.

Then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton supported the Obama administration claims that Muslim of Innocence was believed to be cause, and chose the Accountability Review Board to conduct an 'investigation' into the attack.

The investigation determined that there was no such protest in Behnghazi and that the attack was premeditated and launched by Islamist militants.

Skepticism has surrounded the government's explanation of the attack, especially from the Republican party, mostly because Benghazi happened just two months before the 2012 Presidential Election.

However the declassification of the documents proves the Obama administration were not divulging details of the attack to the American people.

Numerous aides to the president and Clinton repeatedly told the public in the weeks following the murder of Ambassador Stevens and three other Americans that night - as Obama's hotly contested bid for re-election was entering its final stretch - that there was no evidence the killings were the result of a premeditated terrorist attack.

According to Fox, Gen. Ham said he learned about the assault on the consulate compound within 15 minutes of its commencement, at 9:42 pm Libya time, through a call he received from the AFRICOM Command Center.

'My first call was to General Dempsey, General Dempsey's office, to say, ''Hey, I am headed down the hall. I need to see him right away'',' Ham told lawmakers on the House Armed Services Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigation on June 26 of last year.

'I told him what I knew. We immediately walked upstairs to meet with Secretary Panetta.'

Ham's account of that fateful day was included in some 450 pages of testimony given by senior Pentagon officials in classified, closed-door hearings conducted last year by the Armed Services subcommittee.

The testimony, given under 'Top Secret' clearance and only declassified this month, presents a rare glimpse into how information during a crisis travels at the top echelons of America's national security apparatus, all the way up to the president.

Also among those whose secret testimony was declassified was Dempsey, the first person Ham briefed about Benghazi.

Ham told lawmakers he considered it a fortuitous 'happenstance' that he was able to rope Dempsey and Panetta into one meeting, so that, as Ham put it, 'they had the basic information as they headed across for the meeting at the White House'.

Ham also told lawmakers he met with Panetta and Dempsey when they returned from their 30-minute session with President Obama on September 11.

Armed Services Chairman Howard 'Buck' McKeon, R-Calif., sitting in on the subcommittee's hearing with Ham last June, reserved for himself an especially sensitive line of questioning: namely, whether senior Obama administration officials, in the very earliest stages of their knowledge of Benghazi, had any reason to believe that the assault grew spontaneously out of a demonstration over an anti-Islam video produced in America.

'In your discussions with General Dempsey and Secretary Panetta,' McKeon asked, 'was there any mention of a demonstration or was all discussion about an attack?'

Ham initially testified that there was some 'peripheral' discussion of this subject, but added 'at that initial meeting, we knew that a U.S. facility had been attacked and was under attack, and we knew at that point that we had two individuals, Ambassador Stevens and Mr. [sean] Smith, unaccounted for'.

Rep. Brad Wenstrup, R-Ohio, a first-term lawmaker with experience as an Iraq war veteran and Army reserve officer, pressed Ham further on the point, prodding the 29-year Army veteran to admit that 'the nature of the conversation' he had with Panetta and Dempsey was that 'this was a terrorist attack'.

'As a military person, I am concerned that someone in the military would be advising that this was a demonstration. I would hope that our military leadership would be advising that this was a terrorist attack,' Wenstrup said.

'Again, sir, I think, you know, there was some preliminary discussion about, you know, maybe there was a demonstration. But I think at the command, I personally and I think the command very quickly got to the point that this was not a demonstration, this was a terrorist attack,' Ham answered.

'And you would have advised as such if asked. Would that be correct? Wenstrup continued.

'Well, and with General Dempsey and Secretary Panetta, that is the nature of the conversation we had, yes, sir,' Ham responded.

Fox says they are going to continue to release more information found in the testimonies.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2539034/Top-secret-Benghazi-documents-prove-Obama-administration-knew-terrorist-attack-minutes.html#ixzz2qTHnD9UG
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Edited January 15, 2014 by Merle

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I believe many people are still talking about Benghazi because of all the initial misinformation spread by the administration. I don't think anyone will ever know the truth. However, I don't recall Bush talking any nonsense about what happened on 9/11/2001 other than it was a terrorist attack. If the following information is true, it couldn't have come at a worse time for the Obama administration: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2539034/Top-secret-Benghazi-documents-prove-Obama-administration-knew-terrorist-attack-minutes.html

Top secret Benghazi documents prove Obama administration 'knew about terrorist attack within minutes'

Pentagon officials knew almost immediately that the attack on the U.S. facility in Benghazi, Libya, on 9-11-2012 was a terrorist attack and not a demonstration gone wrong, declassified documents have shown.

The documents - which were obtained by Fox News and contain 450 pages of top secret testimonies about the attack - has proven the Obama administration lied about the cause of the attack for two weeks afterward, having repeatedly maintained it was sparked by a violent demonstration against an anti-Islamic movie.

According to the documents, Gen. Carter Ham - who at the time was head of AFRICOM, the Defense Department combatant command with jurisdiction over Libya - said that while there was mention of the demonstrations - which started on the same day day as Benghazi but in Egypt - he and the other commanders involved were always clear that Benghazi was a terrorist attack.

That information was delivered to President Obama and his top advisers, including then-Defense Secretary Leon Panetta.

However the government said the attack was caused out of protest of Innocence of Muslims, a controversial 14-minute video uploaded to YouTube that was seen as denigrating of the prophet Muhammad.

The movie subsequently caused a breakout of violence in Egypt on September 11 that spread to other Arab and Muslim nations and caused the death of 50 people.

That night, a heavily armed group of between 125 and 150 gunmen attacked the American diplomatic mission at Benghazi, killing U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and another diplomat.

Then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton supported the Obama administration claims that Muslim of Innocence was believed to be cause, and chose the Accountability Review Board to conduct an 'investigation' into the attack.

The investigation determined that there was no such protest in Behnghazi and that the attack was premeditated and launched by Islamist militants.

Skepticism has surrounded the government's explanation of the attack, especially from the Republican party, mostly because Benghazi happened just two months before the 2012 Presidential Election.

However the declassification of the documents proves the Obama administration were not divulging details of the attack to the American people.

Numerous aides to the president and Clinton repeatedly told the public in the weeks following the murder of Ambassador Stevens and three other Americans that night - as Obama's hotly contested bid for re-election was entering its final stretch - that there was no evidence the killings were the result of a premeditated terrorist attack.

According to Fox, Gen. Ham said he learned about the assault on the consulate compound within 15 minutes of its commencement, at 9:42 pm Libya time, through a call he received from the AFRICOM Command Center.

'My first call was to General Dempsey, General Dempsey's office, to say, ''Hey, I am headed down the hall. I need to see him right away'',' Ham told lawmakers on the House Armed Services Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigation on June 26 of last year.

'I told him what I knew. We immediately walked upstairs to meet with Secretary Panetta.'

Ham's account of that fateful day was included in some 450 pages of testimony given by senior Pentagon officials in classified, closed-door hearings conducted last year by the Armed Services subcommittee.

The testimony, given under 'Top Secret' clearance and only declassified this month, presents a rare glimpse into how information during a crisis travels at the top echelons of America's national security apparatus, all the way up to the president.

Also among those whose secret testimony was declassified was Dempsey, the first person Ham briefed about Benghazi.

Ham told lawmakers he considered it a fortuitous 'happenstance' that he was able to rope Dempsey and Panetta into one meeting, so that, as Ham put it, 'they had the basic information as they headed across for the meeting at the White House'.

Ham also told lawmakers he met with Panetta and Dempsey when they returned from their 30-minute session with President Obama on September 11.

Armed Services Chairman Howard 'Buck' McKeon, R-Calif., sitting in on the subcommittee's hearing with Ham last June, reserved for himself an especially sensitive line of questioning: namely, whether senior Obama administration officials, in the very earliest stages of their knowledge of Benghazi, had any reason to believe that the assault grew spontaneously out of a demonstration over an anti-Islam video produced in America.

'In your discussions with General Dempsey and Secretary Panetta,' McKeon asked, 'was there any mention of a demonstration or was all discussion about an attack?'

Ham initially testified that there was some 'peripheral' discussion of this subject, but added 'at that initial meeting, we knew that a U.S. facility had been attacked and was under attack, and we knew at that point that we had two individuals, Ambassador Stevens and Mr. [sean] Smith, unaccounted for'.

Rep. Brad Wenstrup, R-Ohio, a first-term lawmaker with experience as an Iraq war veteran and Army reserve officer, pressed Ham further on the point, prodding the 29-year Army veteran to admit that 'the nature of the conversation' he had with Panetta and Dempsey was that 'this was a terrorist attack'.

'As a military person, I am concerned that someone in the military would be advising that this was a demonstration. I would hope that our military leadership would be advising that this was a terrorist attack,' Wenstrup said.

'Again, sir, I think, you know, there was some preliminary discussion about, you know, maybe there was a demonstration. But I think at the command, I personally and I think the command very quickly got to the point that this was not a demonstration, this was a terrorist attack,' Ham answered.

'And you would have advised as such if asked. Would that be correct? Wenstrup continued.

'Well, and with General Dempsey and Secretary Panetta, that is the nature of the conversation we had, yes, sir,' Ham responded.

Fox says they are going to continue to release more information found in the testimonies.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2539034/Top-secret-Benghazi-documents-prove-Obama-administration-knew-terrorist-attack-minutes.html#ixzz2qTHnD9UG

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Actually, Benghazi had all but fell off the map. That was, right until Bridgegate happened. If you look at Fox News, all last week it was Obamacare. Now that this has happened, the focus has shifted back to it.