Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

[slim 1,525]

He didn't carry in there because Florida allows citizens to be armed. He carried in there because he can walk into any theater in this entire country - even those with "NO GUNS" signs posted out front - unlike normal citizens.

You're trying to say he was "just another gun guy" and that's not the case. He was authorized by the federal government, because he was a cop, to carry a gun whenever and wherever it pleased him. You guys rant on and on about the average cop being better trained and better prepared to deal with stuff than the average citizen yet here's a perfect case of you being 100% wrong and instead of owning up to it, you're copping out.

Own it.

A cop shot a dude. It happens. The facts tell us it happens a lot more than "law abiding gun owners" shooting people.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I'm not interested in proving that because it is largely irrelevant. As I stated, anyone with a CC permit is lawfully able to carry a concealed firearm into a movie theater here. How one obtained that CC permit is totally irrelevant in the context of this story. The fact remains that this person lawfully carried a concealed firearm into the movie theater and murdered another with it. The only reason that this murder could occur, the only reason that another young daughter gets to bury her father and another wife gets to bury her husband is that the perp was allowed to carry a firearm into the movie theater. That's the simple and painful truth.

you could have stopped there..We are use to you never proving anything but that you don't understand most issues.

Lot's of man made lakes in Fla you know

http://www.aquaticsystems.com/resources/did-you-know/artificial-lakes

Artificial Lakes

Posted on July 12, 2010 - 3:57pm

There are three reasons that man-made lakes are created throughout Florida:

Water Management: Whether generating power, controlling flooding or for navigation or drinking water; humans have been building dams to create reservoirs for centuries and Florida has quite a few including Lake Hurricane and Lake Seminole.

Aesthetics to Improved Home Values: Florida is number one in lakes created specifically to add real estate “value”. Low lying areas that remain when fill dirt is taken are dug deeper to create lakes for ‘waterfront’ homes.

Control pollution: Retention ponds are also created when communities are built but for very different reasons. A great deal of Florida is built on what were once wetlands. These ponds are created to do the job that the wetland did by preventing deterioration of natural freshwater bodies from nutrient and pollutant laden water that drains from paved roads and yards of the development.

Whatever the reason, proper management will ensure the lake functions and looks as good as any made by nature.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

He didn't carry in there because Florida allows citizens to be armed. He carried in there because he can walk into any theater in this entire country - even those with "NO GUNS" signs posted out front - unlike normal citizens.

You're trying to say he was "just another gun guy" and that's not the case. He was authorized by the federal government, because he was a cop, to carry a gun whenever and wherever it pleased him. You guys rant on and on about the average cop being better trained and better prepared to deal with stuff than the average citizen yet here's a perfect case of you being 100% wrong and instead of owning up to it, you're copping out.

Own it.

A cop shot a dude. It happens. The facts tell us it happens a lot more than "law abiding gun owners" shooting people.

So if he wasn't a retired cop, would that change anything?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

He didn't carry in there because Florida allows citizens to be armed. He carried in there because he can walk into any theater in this entire country - even those with "NO GUNS" signs posted out front - unlike normal citizens.

Sure, he could have hopped into the theater on one leg. He could have whistled while doing that. But all that's not relevant.

You're trying to say he was "just another gun guy" and that's not the case.

Sure it is. He is a retiree. Yes, he was a police officer until he retired 20 years ago but as of this incident, he was a retiree at the movies. A retiree with a concealed gun.

[JohnR! 5,495]

They're trying for stand your ground! Whoo hoo!

That has become the defense of choice for cowards with a gun... It is easy to stand one's ground when the other guy doesn't have a gun...

Edited January 16, 2014 by Gegel

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

you could have stopped there..

That post doesn't really warrant a response but here it is: the fact that he was a retired police officer is not relevant. Any person permitted by law to carry a concealed firearm can legally carry such firearm into a movie theater in the state of Florida. Thus, the perp walked into this movie theater as a person that lawful carried a concealed firearm. It's insane to allow persons to carry firearms into the movies.

The federal law that grants special gun carrying privileges to police officers for life is garbage and should be repealed.

[Peikko 1,575]

What does it matter? The fact is that a guy legally had a gun in a movie theater and used it to kill someone because he was irritated by what they were doing. He was not performing any police duties, he was just a dude being a ####### with a gun. The fact that he was a retired policeman is irrelevant, he has no professional reason to have a gun in the movies and no authority to kill someone for texting during a movie performance.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

What does it matter? The fact is that a guy legally had a gun in a movie theater and used it to kill someone because he was irritated by what they were doing. He was not performing any police duties, he was just a dude being a ####### with a gun. The fact that he was a retired policeman is irrelevant, he has no professional reason to have a gun in the movies and no authority to kill someone for texting during a movie performance.

Not that difficult, right?

[JohnR! 5,495]

What does it matter? The fact is that a guy legally had a gun in a movie theater and used it to kill someone because he was irritated by what they were doing. He was not performing any police duties, he was just a dude being a ####### with a gun. The fact that he was a retired policeman is irrelevant, he has no professional reason to have a gun in the movies and no authority to kill someone for texting during a movie performance.

Alas, it seems he didn't have a gun on him when he first entered the theater... There are witnesses accounts of him leaving the theater to complain to management and then getting the gun in his car, and only then returning to the projection room... A hero, no doubt!

[Peikko 1,575]

That has become the defense of choice for cowards with a gun... It is easy to stand one's ground when the other guy doesn't have a gun...

If this case does allow stand your ground as a reasonable defense the law makes a mockery of justice, period.

[JohnR! 5,495]

If this case does allow stand your ground as a reasonable defense the law makes a mockery of justice, period.

Of course it does. SYG empowers whimps like Zimmermann and Reeves to shoot anyone at will and be able to defend themselves based entirely on their own word. Edited January 16, 2014 by Gegel

[Peikko 1,575]

Of course it does. SYG empowers whimps like Zimmermann and Reeves to shoot anyone at will and be able to defend themselves based entirely on their own word.

I can see how the Zimmerman case couldn't be conclusively proved, but in a movie theater full of witnesses? I find it hard to fathom.

Zimmerman didn't invoke syg either, he really didn't need to, the evidence was simply inconclusive.

[JohnR! 5,495]

I can see how the Zimmerman case couldn't be conclusively proved, but in a movie theater full of witnesses? I find it hard to fathom.

Zimmerman didn't invoke syg either, he really didn't need to, the evidence was simply inconclusive.

It will be interesting to watch the trial and see how the defense will present its case...

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I can see how the Zimmerman case couldn't be conclusively proved, but in a movie theater full of witnesses? I find it hard to fathom.

From what I read in the paper today, the perp was attacked with a bag of popcorn. And popcorn can kill you, right?

[Peikko 1,575]

It will be interesting to watch the trial and see how the defense will present its case...

Yes, it will. It may be that they are just laying out all the options, after all their job is to represent the defendant but from the facts that have been revealed, it does seem like a very thin defense.