Shumlin lifts veil on heroin abuse in Vermont

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

That's just blasphemy, that photo, O Gary

It was. But now that Obamacare is sucking as badly as I predicted it is kind of funny. I am keeping it for when Obama starts saying he had nothing to do with the ACA and knows nothing about it. I have PROOF it was not Bush's fault!

[Peikko 1,575]

With a 40% increase in crime, we are still 2nd lowest crime rate in the country. When you only have 3 homicides in a year, a 40% increase means you have 4.2

Our crime rate is half that of the UK, even with the increase

But you make an excellent point, thank you. Many times ignorant people associate Vermont's l;ow crime rate with its low population. As I have stated many times that is not true. For 2 reasons. Crime rates are per 100,000 popualtion so already allow for popualtion differences AND when you have a low population and low rates a single crime can make a profound affect on your rates. Would ONE homicide raise the nurder rate 40% in YOUR state? And you think that is good? It further points outr our low crime is because we are ARMED, no tbecause of some anomoly of statistics.

When you walk the streets of your state's biggest city at 2am do you concern yourself with somene getting their car broken into? Someone's bicycle being stolen? I don't.

I live here, I know about the issue.

Profound. Who started the thread?

Your claim is that no one commits crimes, not even drug addicts because they are scared of people who carry concealed. Clearly, that's rubbish no matter what the overall crime rate is, drug related crime increased and that included burglary or as you gun aficionados prefer, HOME INVASION. The crime rate in VT is linked directly to the demographics of the state. There is a low population DENSITY and low rates of poverty. That normally leads to less crime in any area. The UK has very low violent crime rates (if you take out Saturday night brawling from the inflated statistics you gun aficionados love to use) and yet the UK includes high density urban centers with high rates of poverty. Your statistical analysis sucks and your ability to build a credible case of cause and effect is nonexistent. Don't bother to try again, you can't do it.

[Darnell 8,478]

Perhaps Shumlin is lying?

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

With a 40% increase in crime, we are still 2nd lowest crime rate in the country. When you only have 3 homicides in a year, a 40% increase means you have 4.2

Our crime rate is half that of the UK, even with the increase

But you make an excellent point, thank you. Many times ignorant people associate Vermont's l;ow crime rate with its low population. As I have stated many times that is not true. For 2 reasons. Crime rates are per 100,000 popualtion so already allow for popualtion differences AND when you have a low population and low rates a single crime can make a profound affect on your rates. Would ONE homicide raise the nurder rate 40% in YOUR state? And you think that is good? It further points outr our low crime is because we are ARMED, no tbecause of some anomoly of statistics.

When you walk the streets of your state's biggest city at 2am do you concern yourself with somene getting their car broken into? Someone's bicycle being stolen? I don't.

I live here, I know about the issue.

Profound. Who started the thread?

Someone clearly taking a shot at that Nirvana you claim to live in.

[Operator 1,927]

When I was going to school in Northfield we used to drive over Burlington and hustle the UVM punks at pool and then sleep with their girlfriends.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

This is why I always let you guys post first.

http://www.govhs.org/vhsweb/map.nsf/$defaultview/21EE3FF1F641BC40862575900053FD7B

Burlington and Vermont are leaders in Refugee resettlement and there are over 20 "first languages" spoken in local schools. Burlington is chock full of "minorities" from all over the world. And we are very proud of it. Largely from Somalia, Kenya, Sudan (yes those are African countries with people that tend to be Black) and Asia, particularly Bhutan, Tibet. Alla has taught ESL to all of them. Yes, our family helps people from Africa. I do work as an independent contractor inspecting housing for the state for refugees from Africa and Asia to make sure it will be in compliance with codes for them to live. Alla teaches them English. We are racist, right? The Association of Africans Living in Vermont (AALV) is one of Alla's top clients for interpretation. Surpising how many Africans speak Russian. Particularly from Angola and Congo. Mostly she does medical interpretation, helping them to get medical care at our local (and very big and highly rated) hospital, Fletcher Allen Health Care. Which, by the way, offers FREE medical care to any Vermont resident. We also have TWO locations of the Community Health Center offering FREE medical and dental care to Vermont residents. This is not a welfare program, it is a private organization funded by the "racists" who live in this state. We have an extensive system of FREE transportation for the elderly and Disabled...SSTA and Morf Transit. Every city bus is equipped for wheelchairs and has bicycle racks. And is powered by clean natural gas. Bicycle routes on every major street and extensive walking and bike paths (I live on one of them, it goes across my front yard, I can walk or ride on this path from my house south to Middlebury VT and north to Montreal) Vermont is the first state to implement single payer health care for ALL residents...Green Mountain Care which will be in effect for everyone after this year (NO Obamacare!)

We can do this because we are not spending our money on overtime for police protection. We can do all this because we have low crime. We have low crime because we can carry guns.

And, as you know, there is a large number of people who have escaped life in Massachusetts to live here and also The People's Republic of New York...which I can see from my front yard. Yeah, really! Lots of minorities. You maybe ought to actually come to Burlington sometime and look around. Carry a gun if you want, it's legal, but you do not have to. No one will know if you are or not and you will be safe even if you rely on calling somone else to protect your family.

Part of the freedom I enjoy is the acceptance of other people, minorities, so natural here. It would no tbe acceptable to me to live in a place that did not offer freedom to ALL people regardless of ANYTHING! The first state to allow Gay civil unions and the first state to enact Gay marriage by legislation. Signed by one of our Republican governors.

Over a 1/3 of the population of the entire state lives within our county, and almost ALL the minorities. Your statement is ignorant of the facts.

But funny.

Who's you guys? You live in a predominately white state. Fact.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Over a 1/3 of the population of the entire state lives within our county, and almost ALL the minorities. Your statement is ignorant of the facts.

But funny.

When you are talking about ignorance of the facts, are you talking to yourself by any chance? It sure looks that way.

You see, Vermont has roughly 626K residents, your county has 158.5K. Simple math tells you that that is little more than a quarter of the population not over a third. And while your county is marginally more diverse than the rest of the state, your county still is lily white. Specifically, your county is 92.3% white vs. the 95.4% statewide. That, of course, means that less than half of your state's minority population resides in your county - which is a far cry from "almost ALL the minorities". Either way, neither the minority percentage in your county let alone that in your state does compare to what regularly diverse areas across the country look like. You probably really do not know what a diverse population is. You've never seen one, right?

Take my county, for example. We have more than twice the population of the entire state of Vermont in this county alone and about a quarter of that population is non-white - slightly more than the US average. If you were to separate out white Hispanics, our white non-Hispanic population is just 53% - that's 10 percentage points below the US average. So just about every other person in this county belongs to a minority. That is what real diversity looks like, Gary. You should take a look some time. Might help you craft better arguments and look less silly.

Edited January 19, 2014 by Mr. Big Dog

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Your claim is that no one commits crimes, not even drug addicts because they are scared of people who carry concealed. Clearly, that's rubbish no matter what the overall crime rate is, drug related crime increased and that included burglary or as you gun aficionados prefer, HOME INVASION. The crime rate in VT is linked directly to the demographics of the state. There is a low population DENSITY and low rates of poverty. That normally leads to less crime in any area. The UK has very low violent crime rates (if you take out Saturday night brawling from the inflated statistics you gun aficionados love to use) and yet the UK includes high density urban centers with high rates of poverty. Your statistical analysis sucks and your ability to build a credible case of cause and effect is nonexistent. Don't bother to try again, you can't do it.

Link to where I said "no one commits crimes" Please.

There are twenty states with lower population density and all have higher crime. Our poverty rate is about average at 13% our crime is far below average and poverty is average.

Next..

Population density and poverty are not affected by any gun laws.

http://www.govhs.org/vhsweb/map.nsf/$defaultview/21EE3FF1F641BC40862575900053FD7B

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/01/25/us/20090126-welfare-table.html

If you are going to quote statistics....link please

Interesting that whenever you receive the bad news about low crime in Vermont (NOT "no crime", LOW crime) you immediately find a reason NOT associated with guns as the "cause" of this terrible condition, but support restrictions on firearms rights to reduce crime. Now, if you want to say that gun laws have nothing to do with crime...that is fine by me.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Link to where I said "no one commits crimes" Please.

There are twenty states with lower population density and all have higher crime. Our poverty rate is about average at 13% our crime is far below average and poverty is average.

Next..

Population density and poverty are not affected by any gun laws.

http://www.govhs.org/vhsweb/map.nsf/$defaultview/21EE3FF1F641BC40862575900053FD7B

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/01/25/us/20090126-welfare-table.html

If you are going to quote statistics....link please

Interesting that whenever you receive the bad news about low crime in Vermont (NOT "no crime", LOW crime) you immediately find a reason NOT associated with guns as the "cause" of this terrible condition, but support restrictions on firearms rights to reduce crime. Now, if you want to say that gun laws have nothing to do with crime...that is fine by me.

Relevant links would be good. You linked to this school - for what, exactly? What do this school have to do with the population density and crime?

http://www.govhs.org/vhsweb/map.nsf/$defaultview/21EE3FF1F641BC40862575900053FD7B

Participating Schools

School: Winooski High School

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School Description:

Winooski High School is a public, co-educational high school, serving a multi-cultural student body. Over twenty languages can be heard in our halls. Total enrollment of the high school averages 200 to 230 students. The mission of the Winooski High School Community is to develop life-long learners who flourish as responsible citizens in an ever-changing world.

Winooski High School is part of the Winooski School District, in Winooski Vermont. We are a pre-K to 12-school district housed in one facility. Our district has approximately 850 students, with over 200 high school students. The city of Winooski is one of the largest areas for refugee resettlement and as such, we are one of the most diverse schools in Vermont. We have over 20 different first languages spoken in our school. Our school actively encourages student voice and works hard to meet the necessary challenges to be a 21st Century School.

Town/City: Winooski, VT

Town/City Description:

Winooski is located adjacent to Burlington, Vermont. Located on the shores of Lake Champlain, Burlington is the largest city in Vermont. Neighboring Winooski was formerly a mill town, with many residents of French Canadian heritage. Currently, Winooski is a major refugee resettlement area. As such, it is one of the most diverse cities in Vermont. The Winooski River also known as Onion River separates Winooski from Burlington. Winooski is the Abenaki Indian word for wild onions.

Course(s) being offered by this school:

Video Game Design and Development Using Game Maker Section DB

AP® Music Theory Section CMA

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Edited January 19, 2014 by Mr. Big Dog

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

When you are talking about ignorance of the facts, are you talking to yourself by any chance? It sure looks that way.

You see, Vermont has roughly 626K residents, your county has 158.5K. Simple math tells you that that is little more than a quarter of the population not over a third. And while your county is marginally more diverse than the rest of the state, your county still is lily white. Specifically, your county is 92.3% white vs. the 95.4% statewide. That, of course, means that less than half of your state's minority population resides in your county - which is a far cry from "almost ALL the minorities". Either way, neither the minority percentage in your county let alone that in your state does compare to what regularly diverse areas across the country look like. You probably really do not know what a diverse population is. You've never seen one, right?

Take my county, for example. We have more than twice the population of the entire state of Vermont in this county alone and about a quarter of that population is non-white - slightly more than the US average. If you were to separate out white Hispanics, our white non-Hispanic population is just 53% - that's 10 percentage points below the US average. So just about every other person in this county belongs to a minority. That is what real diversity looks like, Gary. You should take a look some time. Might help you craft better arguments and look less silly.

So you are saying that having a large white population is why we have low crime? Blaming crime on minorites makes me "less silly"? Please detail your response and provide more links of crime/race connections. Do you feel like a lot of your problems are associated with minorities or just the crime in your area? What other things are minorities doing which impact your quality of life? Do you believe the number of minoities living in an area should be limited by law?

How do you reduce the percentage of minorities with gun laws?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

So you are saying that having a large white population is why we have low crime?

I don't. I am simply pointing out that your "facts" are no such thing.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Who's you guys? You live in a predominately white state. Fact.

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Detail why that reduces crime AND how gun laws reduce the prevelance of minorities.

I'll wait

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I don't. I am simply pointing out that your "facts" are no such thing.

You detailed that you have more minorities where you live and nothing else.

Thanks. You win. You have more minorities than Vermont. So what?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

So you are saying that having a large white population is why we have low crime? Blaming crime on minorites makes me "less silly"? Please detail your response and provide more links of crime/race connections. Do you feel like a lot of your problems are associated with minorities or just the crime in your area? What other things are minorities doing which impact your quality of life? Do you believe the number of minoities living in an area should be limited by law?

How do you reduce the percentage of minorities with gun laws?

In the USA race and social class are linked, along with economics. Who knew.

Apparently not you.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

You detailed that you have more minorities where you live and nothing else.

Wrong, Gary. I detailed that you made shite up in your post. You falsely claimed that your county houses over a third of the residents of your state and that your county houses almost ALL of the minorities. Both assertions are completely false. Why do you feel the need to lie about these things?