Woman raped in her own garage

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Yeah it's pointless trying to argue different outcomes to these events. At worst it's just a masturbatory fantasy. Meaningless in real terms.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Of course I want less. Do I see that ever happening? No. Even in countries where guns are not allowed, criminals have them, because they opt to not follow the laws the rest of us do.

Did he? Are YOU living in fear? I'm not, and I am a USC.

Nice angle. 112.7°

It's implied. Either there is real danger or the fear of said danger is exaggerated. There's not any way way around that.

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

Dear god, really? How about auto insurance? I've never had an accident, so by your "non-liberal logic" I shouldn't need it. and ditto for homeowners insurance, I guess? There you go folks, only purchase insurance if you are sure you'll need it, otherwise, somebody else will be benefiting at your expense.

Insurance is an option that often is not exercised. My company does not purchase insurance on vehicles because it's much much cheaper to buy a new vehicle than to pay insurance premiums. Of course, this isn't for the little guy like you and me. We are nearly forced into purchasing insurance to forego ruination.

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

It's implied. Either there is real danger or the fear of said danger is exaggerated. There's not any way way around that.

Or... some live in fear and others do not. Just becuase I believe in the right to own a gun does not mean I live in fear nor carry one all the time. But I do believe in the right to do so.

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

Okay but what you said initially was something different. Specifically, you stated that:

Ms. Venezuela died because she DIDN'T carry an insurance policy against an armed assailant.

That statement clearly suggestes that she would not be dead had she carried a gun. It does not say at all that she merely could have fought back. But even the latter is pure speculation.

I tell you what... go up against a known armed assailant. You without a gun. What are your odds of winning? Would you want a gun before the fight, or do your views on gun nuts prevent you from taking the firearm?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Or... some live in fear and others do not. Just becuase I believe in the right to own a gun does not mean I live in fear nor carry one all the time. But I do believe in the right to do so.

It kind of does when all of the arguments presented in favour of carrying a gun revolve around the possibility of violent confrontation.

Edited January 13, 2014 by Papa Lazarou

[Teddy B 17,252]

I tell you what... go up against a known armed assailant. You without a gun. What are your odds of winning? Would you want a gun before the fight, or do your views on gun nuts prevent you from taking the firearm?

Depends on what you consider to be winning. Is walking away with everyone alive and unharmed a win? If so, then if both parties have a gun, the chances of that outcome go way down.

[GandD 5,966]

Depends on what you consider to be winning. Is walking away with everyone alive and unharmed a win? If so, then if both parties have a gun, the chances of that outcome go way down.

You know, guns can protect someone. This is true and the gun guys have a point. But the protection it is providing is from another gun. You can't win as you probably will not be able to get rid of ALL guns. ONCE AGAIN, if you decrease the guns,, you will decrease gun violence. The "Good guys with guns" are where the "bad guys with guns" are getting their guns. Whether it be through negligence, theft, selling, or "good guys" becoming "bad guys"

[Teddy B 17,252]

You know, guns can protect someone. This is true and the gun guys have a point. But the protection it is providing is from another gun. You can't win as you probably will not be able to get rid of ALL guns. ONCE AGAIN, if you decrease the guns,, you will decrease gun violence. The "Good guys with guns" are where the "bad guys with guns" are getting their guns. Whether it be through negligence, theft, selling, or "good guys" becoming "bad guys"

Stricter nationwide gun laws, with both criminal and mental health background checks along with a gun registry will definitely do that. But for some reason the gun aficionados don't want it. As long as we have states with lax gun laws, the problem will never be minimized.

Edited January 13, 2014 by Teddy B

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I tell you what... go up against a known armed assailant. You without a gun. What are your odds of winning? Would you want a gun before the fight, or do your views on gun nuts prevent you from taking the firearm?

That's not the issue. You said she is dead because she didn't carry a gun. There's nothing to substantiate that claim - it's pure speculation. Then you said that she could have fought back if she had carried a gun and that is also pure speculation. There are plenty of people that despite carrying a gun are attacked and killed without ever having stood a chance to actually fight back.

As to your hypothetical, why would I want to go up against an armed assailant? Why would you?

[Teddy B 17,252]

That's not the issue. You said she is dead because she didn't carry a gun. There's nothing to substantiate that claim - it's pure speculation. Then you said that she could have fought back if she had carried a gun and that is also pure speculation. There are plenty of people that despite carrying a gun are attacked and killed without ever having stood a chance to actually fight back.

As to your hypothetical, why would I want to go up against an armed assailant? Why would you?

Murika!

[lostinblue 1,989]

You know, guns can protect someone. This is true and the gun guys have a point. But the protection it is providing is from another gun. You can't win as you probably will not be able to get rid of ALL guns. ONCE AGAIN, if you decrease the guns,, you will decrease gun violence. The "Good guys with guns" are where the "bad guys with guns" are getting their guns. Whether it be through negligence, theft, selling, or "good guys" becoming "bad guys"

So how many guns should I be allowed to own ...If you were king

[Ban Hammer 13,340]

Decrease the amount of guns being bought and you will ultimately decrease the amount of guns in circulation and then gun crime.

circulus in demonstrando

[Teddy B 17,252]

So how many guns should I be allowed to own ...If you were king

Who would be your choice for president in 2016?

[GandD 5,966]

So how many guns should I be allowed to own ...If you were king

If we could find a way to make the gun not work unless it was in the state approved and back ground checked owners hand, you could have all you want. I don't have a problem with you shooting at the target range, hunting, or protecting yourself. But there's far too many unaccounted guns flowing around for my comfort level. Either we need to decrease the flow or find a way to make a gun unusable when not in its owner's hands.