In police shooting of mentally ill N.C. teen, who do you believe?

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Yes, that is absolutely what will happen. As many have tried to explain to to you in the past, it's all about demographics.

Gary doesn't seem to grasp that unemployment, drugs, and less education cause crime.

They banned BET at your work?

Yep, they're racists here at USTC.

Stop laughing at me!!!!

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Why is the crime so high in Louisiana, where people are allowed to be armed without a permit? There's also no waiting period for purchases. Seems pretty easy for most people to get their hands on a gun down there and yet look at their crime... what's going wrong?

Your information is incorrect. This surprises me since it is public information which can be googled in less than 3 seconds on an office computer, so here is the correct data for you

.http://www.usacarry.com/louisiana_concealed_carry_permit_information.html

Crime is far lower than it was BEFORE they issued CC permits. Good news, right?

Nothing is wrong. LA is following the model exactly. CC reduces crime, CC does not eliminate crime.

If LA ever decides to actually let 100% of the people within the state (residents and non-residents) carry concealed without a permit, they will reduce crime further

[Teddy B 17,252]

Gary doesn't seem to grasp that unemployment, drugs, and less education cause crime.

Yep, they're racists here at USTC.

Stop laughing at me!!!!

And add to that a much higher population density. Mass ranks about 3rd in the US for population density while Vermont ranks around 30th.

Edited January 13, 2014 by Teddy B

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Gary doesn't seem to grasp that unemployment, drugs, and less education cause crime.

Yep, they're racists here at USTC.

Stop laughing at me!!!!

Gary grasps that none of those things are affected by CC or any other gun law.

Do you have a computer at home? Check it then.

Not to mention a much higher population density. Mass ranks about 3rd in the US for population density while Vermont ranks around 30th.

Did your gun laws reduce population density? Is population density the reason for crime and not guns?

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Your information is incorrect. This surprises me since it is public information which can be googled in less than 3 seconds on an office computer, so here is the correct data for you

.http://www.usacarry.com/louisiana_concealed_carry_permit_information.html

Crime is far lower than it was BEFORE they issued CC permits. Good news, right?

Nothing is wrong. LA is following the model exactly. CC reduces crime, CC does not eliminate crime.

If LA ever decides to actually let 100% of the people within the state (residents and non-residents) carry concealed without a permit, they will reduce crime further

I'll ask again. Please post the information showing that CC reduces crime.

Gary grasps that none of those things are affected by CC or any other gun law.

Do you have a computer at home? Check it then.

Did your gun laws reduce population density? Is population density the reason for crime and not guns?

Shouldn't be too hard Gary since you champion it every day. Just open the link(since you posted it), copy and paste the line that says CC reduced the crime in the area.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Gary grasps that none of those things are affected by CC or any other gun law.

Do you have a computer at home? Check it then.

Did your gun laws reduce population density? Is population density the reason for crime and not guns?

Both population density and guns play a part in crime statistics, along with economics, drugs and education. Guns just make it easier to commit the crimes and kill people.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Your information is incorrect. This surprises me since it is public information which can be googled in less than 3 seconds on an office computer, so here is the correct data for you

.http://www.usacarry.com/louisiana_concealed_carry_permit_information.html

Crime is far lower than it was BEFORE they issued CC permits. Good news, right?

Nothing is wrong. LA is following the model exactly. CC reduces crime, CC does not eliminate crime.

If LA ever decides to actually let 100% of the people within the state (residents and non-residents) carry concealed without a permit, they will reduce crime further

My information is not incorrect. LA has some of the most lax gun laws in the country and they still have high violent crime. Your claim that the less restrictive the gun laws, the better ... is false. In LA's case, anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Louisiana

Don't need a permit to purchase, don't need to register firearms, don't need a license, open carry is permitted, there's no laws against "assault weapons", no magazine capacity restriction ... this all seems like it should lead to a state with very little crime. And yet, it's the opposite. They have a high per capita murder rate - leading all states for 24 years!!

Can you show me proof (something that's not just your opinion) that CC is reducing crime in Louisiana?

You are always preaching that more guns = less crime. And the easier it is to get a gun, the better. Seems pretty easy in Louisiana, no?

Edited January 13, 2014 by Penny Lane

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

And add to that a much higher population density. Mass ranks about 3rd in the US for population density while Vermont ranks around 30th.

I wonder if the two states higher in density than MA have higher crime. Let's see, shall we?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_population_density MA is 3rd among states and Vermont is 30th...so far so good. (YOU are not counting territories here, so I won't)

But...FAIL. Neither of the two states with higher density (NJ, RI) have higher crime rates that Good 'Ol Assachussets. OOPs. Looks like density has nothing to do with it. We KNOW gun laws have nothing to do with density.

http://www.infoplease.com/us/statistics/crime-rate-state.html

Next.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

My information is not incorrect. LA has some of the most lax gun laws in the country and they still have high violent crime. Your claim that the less restrictive the gun laws, the better ... is false. In LA's case, anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Louisiana

Don't need a permit to purchase, don't need to register firearms, don't need a license, open carry is permitted, there's no laws against "assault weapons", no magazine capacity restriction ... this all seems like it should lead to a state with very little crime. And yet, it's the opposite. They have a high per capita murder rate - leading all states for 24 years!!

Can you show me proof (something that's not just your opinion) that CC is reducing crime in Louisiana?

You are always preaching that more guns = less crime. And the easier it is to get a gun, the better. Seems pretty easy in Louisiana, no?

Presumably its because there is little specific correlation between the gun laws and the crime rate. However the presence of more guns in society and an entrenched gang/drug dealing culture in impoverished parts of the country leads to more gun related and other violent crime.

Edited January 13, 2014 by Papa Lazarou

[Teddy B 17,252]

I wonder if the two states higher in density than MA have higher crime. Let's see, shall we?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_population_density MA is 3rd among states and Vermont is 30th...so far so good. (YOU are not counting territories here, so I won't)

But...FAIL. Neither of the two states with higher density (NJ, RI) have higher crime rates that Good 'Ol Assachussets. OOPs. Looks like density has nothing to do with it. We KNOW gun laws have nothing to do with density.

http://www.infoplease.com/us/statistics/crime-rate-state.html

Next.

Whoever said that population density was the ONLY factor of crime rates, I never did. I said it was ONE of the factors, which it is. Seems you fail at reading comprehension.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Presumably its because there is little specific correlation between the gun laws and the crime rate. However the presence of more guns in society and an entrenched gang/drug dealing culture in impoverished parts of the country leads to more gun related and other violent crime.

Agreed. Which is why I find it laughable that Gary is always preaching the opposite. Not surprising, of course, but laughable.

There are states with very lax gun laws with very high crime. And there are states with very tough gun laws with very high crime. It's almost as if they aren't really related!!

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I'll ask again. Please post the information showing that CC reduces crime.

He can't. The only study that does do so has been thoroughly discredited. Since then, no study has shown a correlation between armed citizens and crime rates.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

My information is not incorrect. LA has some of the most lax gun laws in the country and they still have high violent crime. Your claim that the less restrictive the gun laws, the better ... is false. In LA's case, anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Louisiana

Don't need a permit to purchase, don't need to register firearms, don't need a license, open carry is permitted, there's no laws against "assault weapons", no magazine capacity restriction ... this all seems like it should lead to a state with very little crime. And yet, it's the opposite. They have a high per capita murder rate - leading all states for 24 years!!

Can you show me proof (something that's not just your opinion) that CC is reducing crime in Louisiana?

You are always preaching that more guns = less crime. And the easier it is to get a gun, the better. Seems pretty easy in Louisiana, no?

CC permits are required in LA. You said anyone could be armed without a permit. that is not true. Open carry has never been shown to reduce crime, it is ridiculous to suggest that.

Yes, crimne has been reduced since LA implemented CC

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/lacrime.htm

LA passed CC carry in 1996. The crime index is down 55% since 1996. Study the numbers as you wish. Have fun.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Agreed. Which is why I find it laughable that Gary is always preaching the opposite. Not surprising, of course, but laughable.

There are states with very lax gun laws with very high crime. And there are states with very tough gun laws with very high crime. It's almost as if they aren't really related!!

Then why would anyone want gun laws?

Reductions in crime are good things. LA, your example, has had a 55% reduction in crime since CC was implemented. You say it is still "high crime"...before CC it was HIGHER crime. Reduce the restrictions on CC and the crime will go lower.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I'll ask again. Please post the information showing that CC reduces crime.

Shouldn't be too hard Gary since you champion it every day. Just open the link(since you posted it), copy and paste the line that says CC reduced the crime in the area.

I don't need to.

IL implemented CC in late 2012. Crime is at a 50 year low in 2013. What you need to do is prove your claim that increased arms in society increase crime or accept the facts.