In police shooting of mentally ill N.C. teen, who do you believe?

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Unlike you, some of us realize that the police have a place in society, and while there are bad cops, and mistakes are made, armed police officers tend to be better trained than Joe Blow who believes that he and his pistol can solve every problem.

Stop using facts, it's going to hurt someone around here...

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Police should not have guns. This happens way too often.

[Darnell 8,478]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/10/us/north-carolina-teen-killed/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

(CNN) -- A man calls 911 saying his family needs help. His wife is scared of their schizophrenic son, armed with a screwdriver. One, then two, then three law enforcement officers -- all from different agencies -- arrive. After the situation calms somewhat, according to the family, a tussle ensues.

What happens next?

In a case this week out of Boiling Spring Lakes, North Carolina, one officer responded by firing his gun, killing 18-year-old Keith Vidal, who was mentally ill.

Rural cop units aren't known for updated training, and many not have the budget for tasers.

IMO, any cop that shoots someone who is only wielding a screwdriver, is a p8ssy.

Is very interesting the county psychiatric sherrif office wasn't called first.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Unlike you, some of us realize that the police have a place in society, and while there are bad cops, and mistakes are made, armed police officers tend to be better trained than Joe Blow who believes that he and his pistol can solve every problem.

Slim is correct, and he said nothing about police not having a place in society. They do not need to have guns, The incidents of CC licensees shooting someone either accidentally or without justification are far less than those incidents perpetrated by police...despite their being far more people allowed to carry concealed handguns than police.

There is no evidence to support that police training reduces poor judgement or improper shootings

Police need to be armed on duty with "less than lethal" weapons except for specially trained officers in special circumstances...like armed guards in schools

Even using an "anti-gun" source, we see that 540 people, total, have been killed by CC licensees in the previous 7 years (2007-2013) with no mention of which were justified and which were not...and even including suicides...or about 77 per year

.http://www.vpc.org/ccwkillers.htm

Police, much less numerous than CC licensees, kill on average 1.15 person per day, 420 per year, largely African Americans and Latinos (1980-2005 stats) You are nearly 6 times more likely to be murdered by the much less numerous police than by a CC holder. And that's counting CC licensees that commited suicide!

http://www.colorlines.com/archives/2007/11/killed_by_the_cops.html

Stop using facts, it's going to hurt someone around here...

Don't worry. no facts were used in the posting of his statement.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Slim is correct, and he said nothing about police not having a place in society. They do not need to have guns, The incidents of CC licensees shooting someone either accidentally or without justification are far less than those incidents perpetrated by police...despite their being far more people allowed to carry concealed handguns than police.

There is no evidence to support that police training reduces poor judgement or improper shootings

Police need to be armed on duty with "less than lethal" weapons except for specially trained officers in special circumstances...like armed guards in schools

Even using an "anti-gun" source, we see that 540 people, total, have been killed by CC licensees in the previous 7 years (2007-2013) with no mention of which were justified and which were not...and even including suicides...or about 77 per year

.http://www.vpc.org/ccwkillers.htm

Police, much less numerous than CC licensees, kill on average 1.15 person per day, 420 per year, largely African Americans and Latinos (1980-2005 stats) You are nearly 6 times more likely to be murdered by the much less numerous police than by a CC holder. And that's counting CC licensees that commited suicide!

http://www.colorlines.com/archives/2007/11/killed_by_the_cops.html

Don't worry. no facts were used in the posting of his statement.

Do you think that might be because cc licensees aren't first responders? How many people in an emergency situation say quick call the guy down the street, he has a gun and a concealed carry permit.

[GandD 5,966]

Slim is correct, and he said nothing about police not having a place in society. They do not need to have guns, The incidents of CC licensees shooting someone either accidentally or without justification are far less than those incidents perpetrated by police...despite their being far more people allowed to carry concealed handguns than police.

There is no evidence to support that police training reduces poor judgement or improper shootings

Police need to be armed on duty with "less than lethal" weapons except for specially trained officers in special circumstances...like armed guards in schools

Even using an "anti-gun" source, we see that 540 people, total, have been killed by CC licensees in the previous 7 years (2007-2013) with no mention of which were justified and which were not...and even including suicides...or about 77 per year

.http://www.vpc.org/ccwkillers.htm

Police, much less numerous than CC licensees, kill on average 1.15 person per day, 420 per year, largely African Americans and Latinos (1980-2005 stats) You are nearly 6 times more likely to be murdered by the much less numerous police than by a CC holder. And that's counting CC licensees that commited suicide!

http://www.colorlines.com/archives/2007/11/killed_by_the_cops.html

Don't worry. no facts were used in the posting of his statement.

Police put themselves actively in high risk scenarios. CC people use guns (typically) for self defense. You cannot compare apples and oranges.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Slim is correct, and he said nothing about police not having a place in society. They do not need to have guns, The incidents of CC licensees shooting someone either accidentally or without justification are far less than those incidents perpetrated by police...despite their being far more people allowed to carry concealed handguns than police.

There is no evidence to support that police training reduces poor judgement or improper shootings

Police need to be armed on duty with "less than lethal" weapons except for specially trained officers in special circumstances...like armed guards in schools

Even using an "anti-gun" source, we see that 540 people, total, have been killed by CC licensees in the previous 7 years (2007-2013) with no mention of which were justified and which were not...and even including suicides...or about 77 per year

.http://www.vpc.org/ccwkillers.htm

Police, much less numerous than CC licensees, kill on average 1.15 person per day, 420 per year, largely African Americans and Latinos (1980-2005 stats) You are nearly 6 times more likely to be murdered by the much less numerous police than by a CC holder. And that's counting CC licensees that commited suicide!

http://www.colorlines.com/archives/2007/11/killed_by_the_cops.html

Don't worry. no facts were used in the posting of his statement.

So, you're saying that cops shouldn't be armed with guns, but everyone else should be? So what about the cops who patrol high crime neighborhoods? You know, the ones where you can be shot in the face while sitting on the couch sleep: http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/nation/2013/12/23/seattle-teens-glasses-save-her-in-drive-by-shooting/4174835/ The criminals don't use tasers, why should cops only have to rely on them?

That might work in Vermont, which sounds like an utopia the way you go on about it. But in a city that has a high crime rate? Not a chance.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Do you think that might be because cc licensees aren't first responders? How many people in an emergency situation say quick call the guy down the street, he has a gun and a concealed carry permit.

There you go making sense again. Stop it already!

[GandD 5,966]

So, you're saying that cops shouldn't be armed with guns, but everyone else should be? So what about the cops who patrol high crime neighborhoods? You know, the ones where you can be shot in the face while sitting on the couch sleep: http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/nation/2013/12/23/seattle-teens-glasses-save-her-in-drive-by-shooting/4174835/ The criminals don't use tasers, why should cops only have to rely on them?

That might work in Vermont, which sounds like an utopia the way you go on about it. But in a city that has a high crime rate? Not a chance.

There's a high percentage of people carrying guns in these high crime areas. So, crime should be lower.

[Teddy B 17,252]

So, you're saying that cops shouldn't be armed with guns, but everyone else should be? So what about the cops who patrol high crime neighborhoods? You know, the ones where you can be shot in the face while sitting on the couch sleep: http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/nation/2013/12/23/seattle-teens-glasses-save-her-in-drive-by-shooting/4174835/ The criminals don't use tasers, why should cops only have to rely on them?

That might work in Vermont, which sounds like an utopia the way you go on about it. But in a city that has a high crime rate? Not a chance.

If the gun aficionados had their way, there would be no police.

The biggest emergency one has to worry about in Vermont is stepping on a cow chip.

Edited January 13, 2014 by Teddy B

[slim 1,525]

You guys are arguing both sides here.

Cops need guns because they might encounter crime. If thats the case, so do we.

Concealed carry folks shouldnt have guns because theyre not trained as well as cops. In that case, any cops not trained to your standard (which is what, exactly?) should be disarmed. Likewise, those of us with training that meets or exceeds your standard should be armed like the cops.

Thanks!

[GandD 5,966]

You guys are arguing both sides here.

Cops need guns because they might encounter crime. If thats the case, so do we.

Concealed carry folks shouldnt have guns because theyre not trained as well as cops. In that case, any cops not trained to your standard (which is what, exactly?) should be disarmed. Likewise, those of us with training that meets or exceeds your standard should be armed like the cops.

Thanks!

You can be armed like a cop when you are a cop. That's why they exist. To enforce the law of the land. Not to protect themselves. You are held to no such code so why would I trust you as much as a cop? And we don't pay you to carry a gun.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

There's a high percentage of people carrying guns in these high crime areas. So, crime should be lower.

And yet, there's a lot of gun related death there. I wonder why.

You guys are arguing both sides here.

Cops need guns because they might encounter crime. If thats the case, so do we.

Concealed carry folks shouldnt have guns because theyre not trained as well as cops. In that case, any cops not trained to your standard (which is what, exactly?) should be disarmed. Likewise, those of us with training that meets or exceeds your standard should be armed like the cops.

Thanks!

Comprehenison is key here. Gary(the biggest gun aficionado here) is saying cops shouldn't be armed:

"Slim is correct, and he said nothing about police not having a place in society. They do not need to have guns, The incidents of CC licensees shooting someone either accidentally or without justification are far less than those incidents perpetrated by police...despite their being far more people allowed to carry concealed handguns than police.

There is no evidence to support that police training reduces poor judgement or improper shootings

Police need to be armed on duty with "less than lethal" weapons except for specially trained officers in special circumstances...like armed guards in schools"

[Teddy B 17,252]

You guys are arguing both sides here.

Cops need guns because they might encounter crime. If thats the case, so do we.

Concealed carry folks shouldnt have guns because theyre not trained as well as cops. In that case, any cops not trained to your standard (which is what, exactly?) should be disarmed. Likewise, those of us with training that meets or exceeds your standard should be armed like the cops.

Thanks!

I have no problem with concealed carry, I just want much stricter regulations put in place as to who can carry and who can't. Unfortunately Slim, with your criminal background, you'd be out. And I think that's why most gun aficionados don't want stricter regulations, they either have criminal records that would eliminate them from being able to carry with stricter regs, or they wouldn't be able to pass a mental health background check.

You can be armed like a cop when you are a cop. That's why they exist. To enforce the law of the land. Not to protect themselves. You are held to no such code so why would I trust you as much as a cop? And we don't pay you to carry a gun.

[Novembro 1,763]

All law enforcement officials should be required to take a course on recognizing, understanding, and reacting to mental, physical and intellectual disabilities.

It says a load about our society that something like this is not required already.