Screw Democracy- Al-Qaeda- force captures Fallujah, raises Flag, stakes claim.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

C. I have no idea idea how to respond to the overwhelming facts you presented, so I will just call you a nut job or insult you and move on, and claim I already answered the question. ( this covers the tin foil hat stupidity

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

You must have missed the rise and fall of Socialism, communism etc in the 20th centruy

The socialism and communism of the 20th century might have been a lot of things - nationalist it was not. Quite the opposite, actually. Nationalism was not merely discouraged, it was outright banned and prohibited. Nationalism broke out in eastern Europe as the communist regimes collapsed. But it wasn't the political left pushing it. It was the folks on the other side of the isle doing that. I've been there. I've seen it. Firsthand.

C. I have no idea idea how to respond to the overwhelming facts you presented, so I will just call you a nut job or insult you and move on, and claim I already answered the question. ( this covers the tin foil hat stupidity

You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you in the #######.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Nationalism isn't always a negative thing.

Unfortunately in 2002 and 2003, it was used to sell a highly questionable war that didn't need to be fought.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

The socialism and communism of the 20th century might have been a lot of things - nationalist it was not. Quite the opposite, actually. Nationalism was not merely discouraged, it was outright banned and prohibited. Nationalism broke out in eastern Europe as the communist regimes collapsed. But it wasn't the political left pushing it. It was the folks on the other side of the isle doing that. I've been there. I've seen it. Firsthand.

You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you in the #######.

I know right. No Nationalism in the post WW2 Soviet U right ?

Really You a trip dude.

You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you in the #######.

C. I have no idea idea how to respond to the overwhelming facts you presented, so I will just call you a derogatory names with zero reading comprehension insult you and move on, and claim I already answered the question. ( this covers the tin foil hat stupidity)

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I know right. No Nationalism in the post WW2 Soviet U right ?

Really You a trip dude.

What are we talking about here - the national identity of the Soviet Union?

If you went against that, you went to the camps.

[Danno 1,228]

Again, another perfect example of the LEFT taking a word and perverting it into something which must be evil.

Nationalism is no more evil than Patriotism.

Yes, yes, yes, Danno is a nationalist.

nationalism |ˈnaSHənəˌlizəm|nounpatriotic feeling, principles, or efforts.• an extreme form of this, esp. marked by a feeling of superiority over other countries.• advocacy of political independence for a particular country.

----------------Sure like anything, it can go too far.....but

believing that your country is "better" is no more evil than thinking that your State is the best State or that your ideas or methods of doing something are best.

And don't libs think they have the "best ideas" ? Hmmmm

Our friends on the left more closely associate ( Though they may not realize it) with the Marxist one-world Workers United vision.

When that failed to materialize, after 2 World Wars (because people cling to their own countries, religions and traditions) these folks set out to destroy those things that keep people from coming together in this one big utopian collective. Which on paper always looks so promising, though the body count is in the hundreds of millions (Yup)

Just imagine if the countries of Europe had no nationalism at all, how much easier it would be to assemble them into one huge united collective, yet because of Nationalism, Cultural identity and other unique national characteristics, that effort has been gummed up.... so much so that the little efforts they now have in place are coming unraveled.

The left has for too long taken the horrors of Hitlers version of Socialism and racial Superiority and wrapped that smelly rag around every thing that stands in their way of...... Social utopia.

When you destroy a nations sense of Nationalism you have destroyed that nation..... no one goes to fight and die to defend some intellectual idea especially if it is not better than the invading country.

People stand and fight and give all..... for God and Country.

That my friends is why you see so much effort paid to destroy the proliferation of either.

Edited January 5, 2014 by Danno

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I believe I said earlier on that Nationalism isn't necessarily a negative (it was as it pertained to the Iraq war) - but feel free to twist the facts to suit your own preconceived agenda. Again.

And no Danno, I am not a communist.

Edited January 5, 2014 by Papa Lazarou

[Danno 1,228]

I believe I said earlier on that Nationalism isn't necessarily a negative (it was as it pertained to the Iraq war) - but feel free to twist the facts to suit your own preconceived agenda. Again.

And no Danno, I am not a communist.

I failed to check the board for any other comments you might have made on the topic. Forgive me.

I doubt you would see yourself as a Communist, neither does =Putin (wink)

No but seriously (or slightly more) your dislike for nationalism stems from this decades old successful effort to make Nationalism a bad thing and you know it.

Are you a Nationalist>?

LOL

See

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I know right. No Nationalism in the post WW2 Soviet U right ?

Really You a trip dude.

What nationalism was promoted by the Soviets?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Once again, I did not say that nationalism is a negative thing. I did say it was negative in the context of the Iraq war when it was used to villify people who disagreed with the Bush government.

Edited January 5, 2014 by Papa Lazarou

[Danno 1,228]

Once again, I did not say that nationalism is a negative thing. I did say it was negative in the context of the Iraq war when it was used to villify people who disagreed with the Bush government.

BUt you did not answer the question.

Q: Are you now of have you ever considered your self a Nationalist or held strong nationalist views?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

BUt you did not answer the question.

Q: Are you now of have you ever considered your self a Nationalist or held strong nationalist views?

What do you consider 'strong nationalist views'? If by that you mean ultranationalism (there is a difference), then I already said no.

[Danno 1,228]

What nationalism was promoted by the Soviets?

No the soviets only dabbled in Nationalist during WW2.... heck they even got Religion when no one wanted to fight for an "intellectual idea." (as I earlier explained)

They took over those satellite countries. And did all they could to destroy nationalism and religion in each one. (the State is the sole deity)

Oddly enough, after decades of Gub'ment health care, education and unity, as soon as they got the chance, they each departed along Ethnic lines.

Choosing their own culture, language, and nation.

Even so, the poison of decades of indoctrination still lingers in many of these poor countries.

BUt again, the LEFT and the Soviets agree, Nationalism is counter productive to herding people into collectives.

Edited January 5, 2014 by Danno

[Danno 1,228]

What do you consider 'strong nationalist views'? If by that you mean ultranationalism (there is a difference), then I already said no.

JUst in general, do you consider yourself a Nationalist?

(feel free to define it yourself)

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

nationalism (plural nationalisms)

1. Patriotism; the idea of supporting one's country and culture.
2. Support for the creation of a sovereign nation (which does not currently exist). Basque nationalism, Kurdish nationalism
3. Jingoism; the support of one nation's interests to the exclusion of others; the hatred of other nations.

Yes.

Depends.

No.

nationalism (ˈnæʃənəˌlɪzəm ; ˈnæʃnə-)

Definitions

noun

1. a sentiment based on common cultural characteristics that binds a population and often produces a policy of national independence or separatism
2. loyalty or devotion to one's country; patriotism
3. exaggerated, passionate, or fanatical devotion to a national community See also chauvinism

Yes

Yes (but)

No.

nationalism

Pronunciation: /ˈnaʃ(ə)n(ə)lɪz(ə)m/

Translate nationalism | into French | into German | into Spanish noun [mass noun]

• patriotic feeling, principles, or efforts:an early consciousness of nationalism and pride
• an extreme form of patriotism marked by a feeling of superiority over other countries:playing with right-wing nationalism
• advocacy of political independence for a particular country:Scottish nationalism

Yes

No.

Yes (with exceptions).

Edited January 5, 2014 by Papa Lazarou