The Majority of Military Sexual Assault Victims Are Men. ( How could Danno have been so right?)

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I am stunned at how many people have read gay slogans and have taken P.R. talking points ....as fact.

It is now commonly believed by large swaths of Americans that Gays are genetically predisposed to be gay, even though many gays even scoff at this (not to mention science).

It would seem people assume that if someone does not actively "choose" to have an inclination, they must therefore be "born" that way.

And if one is born with a certain desire or orientation.... well then, by golly, it must be acceptable.

Of course the only problem with that sophomoric logic is....no one else gets to use it.

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Predisposition doesn't equal 'born gay', it equates to a likelihood of being gay in the presence of certain developmental (environmental or behavioural) factors.

So no people aren't 'born' gay, but it's not a conscious choice either.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I don't think I ever tried to discount the meaning of rape, I'm not sure why you are taking that line, my only disagreement was "The motivation" for the rape.

I scoff at the notion that "Rape is not about sex" that is silly, it just is.

No doubt there are some cases that fit that mold but not all, I doubt most.

The same personality that punches an old lady in the face to get her purse is the same person who will beat and injure another to satisfy the urge of sex..... He just doesn't care. What is that so hard to accept?

Again you make such broad statements. Not all victims feel ashamed, we have heard a number of victims who actually got pissed, and felt no shame at all, and why should they? True, in many case embarrassment shame and even self blame are common emotions but different people react in their own way.

You have said "rape is rape", could you clarify.... at what point is a man raped?

In terms of your claim that rape is being about sexual gratification, the argument about power and domination is actually what's behind the sexual gratification. You think one precludes the other, it doesn't.

[Danno 1,228]

In terms of your claim that rape is being about sexual gratification, the argument about power and domination is actually what's behind the sexual gratification. You think one precludes the other, it doesn't.

OKay, you win. sex is the only crime in which the motivation is identical in every person, since the beginning of time.

But I am wondering????? And this is where all this Lib-logic gets all mixed up every time I start down this path.

Why do people rape girls who are passed out drunk, or the mentally impaired... they don't resist so why bother?

When these sick people rape children.... is that also to dominate a sometimes willing child?

Just questions.

[Danno 1,228]

Predisposition doesn't equal 'born gay', it equates to a likelihood of being gay in the presence of certain developmental (environmental or behavioural) factors.

So no people aren't 'born' gay, but it's not a conscious choice either.

It is possible some are actually born gay, I doubt it is very many.

ONe of the reasons I enjoy kicking the gay topics around so much is because people who seem to be so passionate about the topic, rarely know anything about it.... at all, except they "have a gay friend" of course.

And here you claim, "it is not a choice" how do you know? This sounds like more Gay propaganda (for political reasons).

There are gays who would be insulted at your claim.

Rather I think it might be more accurate to say "for some people" it is not a conscience choice, for others it clearly is.

You also seem to be flirting with the idea that "being gay or straight" is an on or off switch when thats not the case at all.

Danno- The bearer of truth, no matter the cost.

[Peikko 1,575]

What are you talking about, seriously? No one is saying that every situation is the same, no one. However, rape is not motivated by a simple desire for sex and to even suggest that it is is plainly ridiculous. This is not rocket science. Rape is forcing someone to have sexual intercourse that does not want to have sexual intercourse that in itself demands that the rapist is going to physically or mentally force the other person to submit to a sexual experience that they do not want to have. If you force someone to have sex who is not receptive to having a sexual experience you are going to hurt them, they will be bruised and torn internally as a minimum. How do you not know this? How can you possibly suggest that sometimes children are willing participants in sexual acts with adults? How does that even begin to make sense in your mind? Clearly children and adults with the mental age of a child can be manipulated by an adult who is bent on rape but how can you even think that equates to willing participation? That is just outlandish and ghoulish.

Edited January 10, 2014 by The Truth™

[Danno 1,228]

What are you talking about, seriously? No one is saying that every situation is the same, no one. However, rape is not motivated by a simple desire for sex and to even suggest that it is is plainly ridiculous. This is not rocket science. Rape is forcing someone to have sexual intercourse that does not want to have sexual intercourse that in itself demands that the rapist is going to physically or mentally force the other person to submit to a sexual experience that they do not want to have. If you force someone to have sex who is not receptive to having a sexual experience you are going to hurt them, they will be bruised and torn internally as a minimum. How do you not know this? How can you possibly suggest that sometimes children are willing participants in sexual acts with adults? How does that even begin to make sense in your mind? Clearly children and adults with the mental age of a child can be manipulated by an adult who is bent on rape but how can you even think that equates to willing participation? That is just outlandish and ghoulish.

From what I have read,

CHildren can be manipulated quite effectively, to willingly participate in sexual activity. I have even read case studies where daughters became jealous of each other in long term abuse cases.

Yeah I know it is demented stuff, but when we don't speak honestly about this subject, we actually isolate the victims more.... they think they hold blame because of feelings that had and so forth.. This is what the purpose of "grooming" is all about....to create a willing participant.

Again, all of these cases are different and the way victims react are different to.

Here is a amateur home documentary, on a man who molested lots of children.

I nominate it as the most screwed up family put on film.

It is also just one example of why I don't believe in Karma. (not in this life anyway)

[Peikko 1,575]

You are making no sense Danno, Children can be manipulated, so their participation, once they have been manipulated can be in no sense of the word willing.

[Danno 1,228]

You are making no sense Danno, Children can be manipulated, so their participation, once they have been manipulated can be in no sense of the word willing.

[Peikko 1,575]

You are making no sense Danno, Children can be manipulated, so their participation, once they have been manipulated can be in no sense of the word willing.

Good lord Danno, it's like you don't understand English. Willing is the action of someone who is free to choose. By definition, manipulation removes that freedom of choice. Only in the minds of perverted men are there little girls who fantasize about having sexual intercourse with grown men. Little girls do not want to have sex, are not physically mature enough to have sex and are definitely not mentally mature enough to cope with either the sexual act or any resultant consequences. To think otherwise is absurd and probably deviant.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It is possible some are actually born gay, I doubt it is very many.

ONe of the reasons I enjoy kicking the gay topics around so much is because people who seem to be so passionate about the topic, rarely know anything about it.... at all, except they "have a gay friend" of course.

And here you claim, "it is not a choice" how do you know? This sounds like more Gay propaganda (for political reasons).

There are gays who would be insulted at your claim.

Rather I think it might be more accurate to say "for some people" it is not a conscience choice, for others it clearly is.

You also seem to be flirting with the idea that "being gay or straight" is an on or off switch when thats not the case at all.

Danno- The bearer of truth, no matter the cost.

Do some reading.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Do some reading.

He did. He just happens to read all the wrong stuff. Mainly stuff from the "pray the gay away" crowd as it would seem.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

And here you claim, "it is not a choice" how do you know? This sounds like more Gay propaganda (for political reasons).

There are gays who would be insulted at your claim.

Rather I think it might be more accurate to say "for some people" it is not a conscience choice, for others it clearly is.

Okay, Danno. How many gay people do you know that woke up one day and CHOSE to be gay?

Actually.. who do you know, gay or not, that chose their sexual orientation?

Did you?

When did you choose to be straight?

When did you choose what you're attracted to?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Okay, Danno. How many gay people do you know that woke up one day and CHOSE to be gay?

Actually.. who do you know, gay or not, that chose their sexual orientation?

Did you?

When did you choose to be straight?

When did you choose what you're attracted to?

Danno didn't choose to be straight. He was beaten straight as he grew up.

Edited January 10, 2014 by Mr. Big Dog

[Penny Lane 8,159]

I don't know of anyone who believes they chose their sexual preference.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I don't know of anyone who believes they chose their sexual preference.

They didn't. They were manipulated into being gay by gays and libruls. It's a conspiracy. Don't you see?