The Majority of Military Sexual Assault Victims Are Men. ( How could Danno have been so right?)

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Why are there so many rapists and abusers in the military?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

No, he is actually the victim. The perp was married with kids. And that's not proff of anything - whatever proff actually is.

Because Danno appears to belong to the group of whack jobs that believe that the gay can simply be prayed away.

I was talking about the Perp. I quoted what you said about him..Duh

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I quoted what you said about him..

That's still a long way away from you actually having understood what I said.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

That's still a long way away from you actually having understood what I said.

The problem with you left wingers is the only time you think someone understands you or has the right to an opinion is when the agree with you

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The problem with you left wingers is the only time you think someone understands you or has the right to an opinion is when the agree with you

Prove it then, the floor is yours.

Whining about it won't help.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

The problem with you left wingers is the only time you think someone understands you or has the right to an opinion is when the agree with you

Like I said.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Why are there so many rapists and abusers in the military?

Is there really, compared to the rest of society?

I read some book long ago about the Plains Indians, and when I asked a Lakota about it later on, he said it was all romantic B.S. He said to read Black Elk Speaks instead. And I did, as a reading requirement for my ethnic studies course. It does seem that in such societies, war is a way for those with tendencies toward violence and abuse to satisfy those needs. One would think modern society would not give such license to a professional military, but what do I know. I do know law enforcement does seem to attract those sort of folks, or perhaps the job itself can bring out the worst in people. Most of what I saw in the military was what you expect from recent high school graduates away from home for the first time, and being very impressionable, they usually thought was they were told to think. So if what you suggest is the case, it is a command problem, not the military members themselves.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Why are there so many rapists and abusers in the military?

Postmaster touched on this with his response, here's my insight since I'm still in:

I think it's because the way we are structured in contrast to the outside world. In the civilian world, you don't like your job, you can quit. Here, I can't even on my worse day. If you boss cussed at you, chances are you'd walk out, cuss him out back, quit, or fight them right there. You can't do that in the military without serious repercussions. We're around each other 24/7 if we're deployed together, so you're in close quarters with somebody who already has issues. I can't speak for the men since I've been lucky enough to never have to help a man in that situation, but I've talked to many a women who been either in that horrible place or close enough to complain about it.

[Danno 1,228]

What type of rape Danno, is all about sexual gratification and not about domination, submission and subjugation? I would really be fascinated by your explanation of that, and also how rape is not 'all the same'? You are making the claim, back it up with some subtance of stfu. Rape is not a joke and it should never be lightly dismissed, in my opinion.

Lets take this apart shall we?

-Most cases reported are not rape, in some cases it could be soldiers acting touching or speaking in an unprofessional sexual way..... no need to overly assume this is a "rape only problem." I would speculate most men were not sodomized or sexually penetrated.

IIRC, according to the UCMJ, penetration "however slight" is rape.

-Every person and the events around every incident are different, to assume that the motivations and psychology of all these men targeting other men

are all rooted in the identical place is laughable.... and you know it. (What is it with Libs and their blanket -One size fits all- conclusions?

-We both agree rape is no joke and neither is sexual harassment nor sexual assault, it is my hope that serious inquiry takes place to get to the bottom of whats going on and where ever the truth leads, that they have the courage to deal with it.

No man should have to feel like a sex object.... to other men.

[Danno 1,228]

OH my he is married with kids..Proff positive he is not gay or Bi.. Talk about sterotypes

why you say that is a myth

I am stunned at how many people have read gay slogans and have taken P.R. talking points ....as fact.

It is now commonly believed by large swaths of Americans that Gays are genetically predisposed to be gay, even though many gays even scoff at this (not to mention science).

It would seem people assume that if someone does not actively "choose" to have an inclination, they must therefore be "born" that way.

And if one is born with a certain desire or orientation.... well then, by golly, it must be acceptable.

Of course the only problem with that sophomoric logic is....no one else gets to use it.

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[GandD 5,966]

The problem with you left wingers is the only time you think someone understands you or has the right to an opinion is when the agree with you

From my point of view, sir, that mentality has nothing to do with political affiliation. More in the confidence there of.

[Peikko 1,575]

Lets take this apart shall we?

-Most cases reported are not rape, in some cases it could be soldiers acting touching or speaking in an unprofessional sexual way..... no need to overly assume this is a "rape only problem." I would speculate most men were not sodomized or sexually penetrated.

IIRC, according to the UCMJ, penetration "however slight" is rape.

-Every person and the events around every incident are different, to assume that the motivations and psychology of all these men targeting other men

are all rooted in the identical place is laughable.... and you know it. (What is it with Libs and their blanket -One size fits all- conclusions?

-We both agree rape is no joke and neither is sexual harassment nor sexual assault, it is my hope that serious inquiry takes place to get to the bottom of whats going on and where ever the truth leads, that they have the courage to deal with it.

No man should have to feel like a sex object.... to other men.

Well that's a very long winded way of avoiding the question that was asked. Suffice to to say, you can be quite sure that the Incidents of sexual abuse that are not rape, are not reported as rape and that when it is reported as rape, rape is what is being reported, so your first paragraph is redundant.

What I asked about was your theory that rape is not all the same, so I ask you, in what way is all rape not all the same? Forget about the fact that each individual incident is, of course individual and the specifics of each rape will vary (who's denying that by the way?) your claim is that with that variation, some rape is less, well rapish than other rape and my question is in what way, specifically? Expert opinion tells us that the motivation for rape is not sexual gratification, and that rapist follow patterns of behaviour that are similar regardless of the specifics of each case. You have poo pood the experts, so let's hear your theory.

[Danno 1,228]

Well that's a very long winded way of avoiding the question that was asked. Suffice to to say, you can be quite sure that the Incidents of sexual abuse that are not rape, are not reported as rape and that when it is reported as rape, rape is what is being reported, so your first paragraph is redundant.

What I asked about was your theory that rape is not all the same, so I ask you, in what way is all rape not all the same? Forget about the fact that each individual incident is, of course individual and the specifics of each rape will vary (who's denying that by the way?) your claim is that with that variation, some rape is less, well rapish than other rape and my question is in what way, specifically? Expert opinion tells us that the motivation for rape is not sexual gratification, and that rapist follow patterns of behaviour that are similar regardless of the specifics of each case. You have poo pood the experts, so let's hear your theory.

-NO, actually a certain percentage of Rape claims are false altogether so your "generalizing" falls flat again.

Look some people just feel they are entitled to sex, there is not "humiliation" involved, it could be a case where a couple gets to 3rd base, one wants to stop the other doesn't and a rape occurs .... but it has nothing to do with violence and all that.

The "experts" do not agree on this theory that it is never about sex.

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[Peikko 1,575]

-NO, actually a certain percentage of Rape claims are false altogether so your "generalizing" falls flat again.

Look some people just feel they are entitled to sex, there is not "humiliation" involved, it could be a case where a couple gets to 3rd base, one wants to stop the other doesn't and a rape occurs .... but it has nothing to do with violence and all that.

The "experts" do not agree on this theory that it is never about sex.

Once again, an opening statement that is entirely redundant. No one is suggesting that every time a rape is reported a rape is committed. What you are attempting to do is suggest that some rape is not rape. All rape is rape, there are no shades of rape.

Now, as to the next statement, how exactly is it not a humiliating and violent experience when one person does not want to continue a sexual counter and forces another person to do so? How do 'accidentally' and gently with no 'violence and all that' have sex with someone who doesn't want to? Please explain how that works because I am not seeing how a person who has clearly communicated that they do not want to continue can be made to do so without some degree of force. Simply getting 'carried away by the moment' is not a defense. A person is either willingly participating in a sexual encounter or they are not. It's not really that hard to tell the difference between a willing partner and someone who is trying to fight you off.

Finally, yes once again you do need to read up on what the experts agree on when talking about rape. Rape is a violation and anyone who is raped feels humiliated by the experience and I am sure worse than that. Anyone who feels comfortable having sex with a person who has clearly communicated that they do not want to continue should seek therapy, it's not normal behaviour.

[Danno 1,228]

Once again, an opening statement that is entirely redundant. No one is suggesting that every time a rape is reported a rape is committed. What you are attempting to do is suggest that some rape is not rape. All rape is rape, there are no shades of rape.

Now, as to the next statement, how exactly is it not a humiliating and violent experience when one person does not want to continue a sexual counter and forces another person to do so? How do 'accidentally' and gently with no 'violence and all that' have sex with someone who doesn't want to? Please explain how that works because I am not seeing how a person who has clearly communicated that they do not want to continue can be made to do so without some degree of force. Simply getting 'carried away by the moment' is not a defense. A person is either willingly participating in a sexual encounter or they are not. It's not really that hard to tell the difference between a willing partner and someone who is trying to fight you off.

Finally, yes once again you do need to read up on what the experts agree on when talking about rape. Rape is a violation and anyone who is raped feels humiliated by the experience and I am sure worse than that. Anyone who feels comfortable having sex with a person who has clearly communicated that they do not want to continue should seek therapy, it's not normal behaviour.

I don't think I ever tried to discount the meaning of rape, I'm not sure why you are taking that line, my only disagreement was "The motivation" for the rape.

I scoff at the notion that "Rape is not about sex" that is silly, it just is.

No doubt there are some cases that fit that mold but not all, I doubt most.

The same personality that punches an old lady in the face to get her purse is the same person who will beat and injure another to satisfy the urge of sex..... He just doesn't care. What is that so hard to accept?

Again you make such broad statements. Not all victims feel ashamed, we have heard a number of victims who actually got pissed, and felt no shame at all, and why should they? True, in many case embarrassment shame and even self blame are common emotions but different people react in their own way.

You have said "rape is rape", could you clarify.... at what point is a man raped?