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[Ketsuban 1,034]

This is a tragic statement and an insult to those hardworking, trained, well educated professional temps out there in the workplace.

Temps are not appropriate for jobs involving national security/immigration.

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Temps are not appropriate for jobs involving national security/immigration.

I never said they were. Your comments still shows lack on knowledge of what a temp employee is.

[lost_at_sea 995]

I never said they were. Your comments still shows lack on knowledge of what a temp employee is.

I wonder if this is a translation/country thing (I note that I agreed with the other poster, also from the UK).

For example, I was a "temp" once when I graduated from university in the UK - I did this via a "temping agency" where I did odd-job admin work for offices (filing, data entry, stuff like that - for a few days or weeks at a time). The agency existed solely to find people like me who were not professionals to fill temporary voids in offices (usually due to them having too much work on, or having just lost an employee).

I was not working in a field I was trained to do, and not what I do as a career - I was just "temping" to earn some cash while I found a proper job in my field. Just a spare pair of hands.

The term "temp" in common parlance in the UK would refer to that sort of work (i.e. non-professional temporary help).

I think a "temp" in the US may be a broader term.

Edited January 5, 2014 by lost_at_sea

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I wonder if this is a translation/country thing (I note that I agreed with the other poster, also from the UK).

For example, I was a "temp" once when I graduated from university in the UK - I did this via a "temping agency" where I did odd-job admin work for offices (filing, data entry, stuff like that - for a few days or weeks at a time). The agency existed solely to find people like me who were not professionals to fill temporary voids in offices (usually due to them having too much work on, or having just lost an employee).

I was not working in a field I was trained to do, and not what I do as a career - I was just "temping" to earn some cash while I found a proper job in my field. Just a spare pair of hands.

The term "temp" in common parlance in the UK would refer to that sort of work (i.e. non-professional temporary help).

I think a "temp" in the US may be a broader term.

A temp, is a temporary employee. Typically used to fill employment gaps when hiring full time employees is not favoruably.

The same qualification, skills, education, degrees, is necessary for both a temp and a full time employee.

Many Americans who are seasoned employees who are then laid off sometimes work as a temp to make ends meet. This does not mean that they are "unscreened, untrained and unchecked" and/or "some kid off the street ".

Temps could be Doctors working Per Diem, Lawyers working as Judges Pro Temp, Certitifed Public Accountants working as/at Accountemps.

​It's not a translation/country thing and I think it is a personal thing (not the first time you've come across as being aloof on a thread). I've lived in UK so I know the culture.

[lost_at_sea 995]

A temp, is a temporary employee. Typically used to fill employment gaps when hiring full time employees is not favoruably.

The same qualification, skills, education, degrees, is necessary for both a temp and a full time employee.

Many Americans who are seasoned employees who are then laid off sometimes work as a temp to make ends meet. This does not mean that they are "unscreened, untrained and unchecked" and/or "some kid off the street ".

Temps could be Doctors working Per Diem, Lawyers working as Judges Pro Temp, Certitifed Public Accountants working as/at Accountemps.

​It's not a translation/country thing and I think it is a personal thing (not the first time you've come across as being aloof on a thread). I've lived in UK so I know the culture.

I don't believe I was being aloof. Merely trying to see if that explained the difference of opinion. It seems it does not.

We don't see many temps in that professional sense in the UK. We'd probably call them substitutes (or in the case of Doctors, we call them "locum" doctors).

I'm not saying that Americans in the USA who are temps are kids off the street. I was simply explaining what a "temp" tends to mean to people from the UK. It was supposed to provide a point of view, not an accurate statement on what a temp is in the USA. Hence my beginning with "I wonder..." as in "I wonder if this is true" not "This is true".

P.S. Genuine question - is there something I can do to appear less "aloof" to you? I don't intend to go around pissing anyone off - I just have a succinct style of responding, since I try to avoid being emotional when it's not required.

Edited January 5, 2014 by lost_at_sea

[NikLR 13,227]

I have never considered temps to be someone who is fully qualified for a job but not having it. I've always thought of a temp is being someone who is just filling in a basic spot until they can either a) prove they can do the job or b) the period of time ends in which they are needed.

I suppose the equivalent in the retail world would be a seasonal employee. They may stay on if they're very good at the job but most often they leave when they aren't needed anymore. Most often they fill lower place jobs, vs higher up ones.

I don't think there are a bunch of screened and background checked, who are already trained to adjudicate petitions just waiting for a call from the USCIS to fill temp spots. Perhaps there are some qualified secretaries who can do some other types of office work to free up space for the people who know what they're doing to help the other adjudicators but i get the feeling that isn't the case either.

However, if that is what a temp is in the USA, I'll try to adjust my thinking towards the job position.

[Kaylara 814]

Actually, I believe that the USCIS was discussing trying to bring back former adjudicators to help when they were gearing up to deal with DACA. I think it was buried in that FOIA release that we found at judicialwatch. I don't remember if that was on a temp basis or for good, though. People who had already been trained to do adjudications would be qualified to do so despite it being a temp position, if that were the case.

[SennaBrigante 92]

I don't think temp employees in the USCIS or NVC setting are tasked to adjudicate applications. They are there to do mostly clerical work that takes time to complete but doesn't take a whole lot of training or experience to do like sorting paperwork, mailing out hard copies of stuff, photocopying, etc.

[Kaylara 814]

It was also my understanding (from that former adjudicator's post) that they have a non-governmental subcontractor that would do that kind of stuff and the staging at night. Who knows what the employment situation is there, though.

[Ryan H 3,810]

(not the first time you've come across as being aloof on a thread).

~~~Word meanings can be discussed without arguing with the person. Such accusations towards other members like the one quoted above will no longer be tolerated.~~~

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~~~Word meanings can be discussed without arguing with the person. Such accusations towards other members like the one quoted above will no longer be tolerated.~~~

So is it a discussion or an argument?

Edited January 5, 2014 by Gowon

[Ketsuban 1,034]

I never said they were. Your comments still shows lack on knowledge of what a temp employee is.

No they don't. A temp where I'm from is somebody brought in at entry level to do basic clerical work on a temporary basis. We hire them all the time where I work when our filing piles get too high.

[David & Diana R 1,005]

I never said they were. Your comments still shows lack on knowledge of what a temp employee is.

Come on now Gowan,

You're joking...right??

[David & Diana R 1,005]

So is it a discussion or an argument?

Gowan,

See there you go. Moderators not letting us speak. No one has gotten disrespectful but I am about to get put back in VJ jail. I agree with you. We can agree to disagree, that is the beauty of a bord such as this but when you have meddling moderators interupting it's hard to carry on a conversation.

Still love you Gowan