If petitioner is on welfare

[akim oda 0]

If she is aq mother w/3 kids on welfare she should go to the local trailer park bar and meet a husband. She got no business being approved.

That was the most ignorant fu!!ing remark!!!!!! Just because she is on welfare does not mean that she is a low life or less of a human being than you are. I am on disability and have two kids, I was on welfare for 2years before I received my disability. I attend school so that I am able to get a job that my "physical situation" will allow me to support myself, my kids, and my fiance. There is no problem with a person being on welfare if it is needed. And unless you "KNOW FOR A FACT" that she is on welfare just because she does not want to work......then I suggest you shut your FU!!!! mouth. She came here to ask a question and get some advice and help, she did not come here to get knocked down and ridiculed by some AS!HOLE like you who believes all people on welfare are low lifes. Look in the mirror, the only FU!!!! low life I see here would be you, and I pray to God that your fiance realizes what a selfish, ignorant, heartless person you are, and deceides to make a better choice for their life.

The old saying goes......YOU CAN"T CURE STUPID!!!!! and you my friend have just proven that. WJR

WJR,way to go. besides all the unuseful choice of words, I totally agree with you. About 7 years ago, I needed to be on welfare. there are so many things I could also think to say to you, azcactus, but I would not give you the pleasure of all that attention. I know you are welcome to your opinion, but like the old saying goes, if you cant say anything nice, don't say anything at all.

I say what a sensitive bunch of bloats. You all probably think her ( I guess her, it said fiance her) should be approved. Well you can have an opinion and so can I. I was just thinking that instead of worrying about filling out all the paperwork for a petition the person ought to try filling out an application for a job with health benefits ( UFCW) so we don't have to pay for number 4. Oops I mean so her sponsor doesn't have to And about the stupid part. Who is stupid enough to think if u on wefree u gunna get approved/ 3 kids and self Get real!!!!!!

Merry Xmas 2 all!!!!!!!!!

you just dont know any better. Foolish..... what a shame. As the Proverbs say, a foolish son brings grief to his mother.

[wjr 3]

I had a friend of mine that lived in china for a few years and when he came back to the united states .He discovered he had cancer . Went to the VA hospital had the operation and chemo things. His family was on welfare for about a year. sometimes it is needed. Now he drives truck and his wife who is from South Africa works teaching school. She has a masters degree by the way. Now while I understand at times there are a certain class of people who will not work there are others that cannot work. Maybe this person she is bringing over will some day get her off the welfare rolls. Many times there is a lot more hustle in immigrants than native born americans. That said she does need a co-sponser to make it through this process.

BRAVO, thank you for an intelligent well put, "OPEN MINDED" answer, WJR.

[azcactus 0]

I had a friend of mine that lived in china for a few years and when he came back to the united states .He discovered he had cancer . Went to the VA hospital had the operation and chemo things. His family was on welfare for about a year. sometimes it is needed. Now he drives truck and his wife who is from South Africa works teaching school. She has a masters degree by the way. Now while I understand at times there are a certain class of people who will not work there are others that cannot work. Maybe this person she is bringing over will some day get her off the welfare rolls. Many times there is a lot more hustle in immigrants than native born americans. That said she does need a co-sponser to make it through this process.

BRAVO, thank you for an intelligent well put, "OPEN MINDED" answer, WJR.

Let me tell you all something. Merry Xmas!!!!!! It is my honest and researched opinion that while there is nothing wrong with being on welfare staying on welfare has a more crippling effect than arthritis. It makes no sense for someone who is on welfare at the current time to be considering an immigrant K1, K2. CR1 visa, unless it is for unscrupulous reasons. The facts will show that the original poster of this subject was seemingly asking for a friend, so it is fair to assume that the person who is actually on welfare has not seen this post, but has posssibly received some feedback from the person who is a memeber here.

Perhaps in my desire to be humorous I failed by insinuating that the lady in question was a single mom w/ 3 kids with diffferent last names. Perhaps if we had more history on the person instead of only second hand information to make inferences from we could better judge. My response was based opn the age old idealogy that a stupid question sometimes garnishes a stupid answer. It makes no sense to anyone that has been through the process and realizes the substantial cost involved with the process to believe that someone receiving either state of federal aid would be in a financial position to complete the process. So oin summarizing my original response it was just a stupid answer to a stupid question, but a question nonetheless. So a good answer might be; I hope said person has substantial financial resources to ado the expected financial obligations that bringing a beneficiariary to this country takes. The fees alone can total into the thousands with transportation costs, passports, documentation collection and such and a decision of this magnitude should definetly be thought through in a thorough manner and with much consideration given to both the financial and time consuming process.

In closing let me say that I wish we had more information and facts on the "petitioner". Perhaps knowing how long she has been on the welfare rolls, age of her children, marriage history, medical history and placement in her schooling would clarify many things and allow me to make a better inference of her situation than from a question without any substantial background knowledge that led me to make my immoral response.

I really just thought it was a stu[id question and gave an intended as humorous response as such.

Than k you for the attention. Guys like me eat it up!!!!!!!!

Edited December 25, 2006 by azcactus

[rebeccajo 14]

Well, I think the discussion would best be served by evaluating the question.

While it is true that a co-sponsor MAY cure the problem, researching the Pakistani consulate for their typical requirements of sponsorship is in order.

Whether or not a co-sponsor can then overcome 'totality of the circumstances' for issuance of a visa cannot be ascertained in this thread.

Edited December 25, 2006 by rebeccajo

[azcactus 0]

Well, I think the discussion would best be served by evaluating the question.

While it is true that a co-sponsor MAY cure the problem, researching the Pakistani consulate for their typical requirements of sponsorship is in order.

Whether or not a co-sponsor can then overcome 'totality of the circumstances' for issuance of a visa cannot be ascertained in this thread.

That my dear friend is a prime example of an itelligent, well thought out response focusing entirely on factual information.

[Nad 1]

If she is aq mother w/3 kids on welfare she should go to the local trailer park bar and meet a husband. She got no business being approved.

you think its funny to laugh about such thing?? we dont know about the woman situation and how she got to this?? if you cant help then stop bothering ppl with such meaningful comments.

merijan start the process 1st and when you reach to that stage then many things could happen, be strong and think that if you truly love each other then you can overcome and do many things to get over any struggle. put that in your heart and dont worry God is always close. wish you all the best and good luck in your journey.

[TucsonBill 0]

[azcactus 0]

Nad you sound chinese when I read ur posts.

[payxibka 10,045]

If she is aq mother w/3 kids on welfare she should go to the local trailer park bar and meet a husband. She got no business being approved.

you think its funny to laugh about such thing?? we dont know about the woman situation and how she got to this?? if you cant help then stop bothering ppl with such meaningful comments.

merijan start the process 1st and when you reach to that stage then many things could happen, be strong and think that if you truly love each other then you can overcome and do many things to get over any struggle. put that in your heart and dont worry God is always close. wish you all the best and good luck in your journey.

azcactus,

In the future please only bother people with meaningless comments....

[Nad 1]

If she is aq mother w/3 kids on welfare she should go to the local trailer park bar and meet a husband. She got no business being approved.

you think its funny to laugh about such thing?? we dont know about the woman situation and how she got to this?? if you cant help then stop bothering ppl with such meaningful comments.

merijan start the process 1st and when you reach to that stage then many things could happen, be strong and think that if you truly love each other then you can overcome and do many things to get over any struggle. put that in your heart and dont worry God is always close. wish you all the best and good luck in your journey.

azcactus,

In the future please only bother people with meaningless comments....

yeah sorry i meant meaningless. are we in ESL school here?? and azcactus am not from china if this is only what you concern.

[Yodrak 7]

diadromous mermaid,

Point of clarification: the visa applicant, not the petitioner, is required to overcome the public charge requirement. If the visa applicant does not have sufficient financial resources of their own they may find a sponsor - typically the petitioner in the case of K visas. But if the petitioner also does not have sufficient financial resources then someone else must be found to sponsor the visa applicant.

Your reference to the FAM is a good one. More specifically see 9 FAM 40.41 (Public Charge) Notes

Yodrak

The petitioner need a co-sponsor capable of supporting them, 2 children and the immigrant, as well as anyone in the co sponsor's household. (5+ people) at or above 125% poverty level.

I believe the correction is... The petitioner would indeed need a co-sponsor. but it would be for the immigrant.. and the sponsor.. therefore if the sponsor was single it would be hisself + 1 the petitioner. The sponsor is gaurenteeing the ability to support the Immigrant not the FIANCE.. who from what it sounds is the USC. A USC can be on assistance.. just not able to sponsor.

Are we referring to the I-134 here? The petitioner, (the US citizen fiancé) would be required to overcome the public charge element. Comprehensive information regarding public charge is covered in the Foreign Affairs Manual. A co-sponsor would be needed.

Edited December 26, 2006 by Yodrak

[wjr 3]

I had a friend of mine that lived in china for a few years and when he came back to the united states .He discovered he had cancer . Went to the VA hospital had the operation and chemo things. His family was on welfare for about a year. sometimes it is needed. Now he drives truck and his wife who is from South Africa works teaching school. She has a masters degree by the way. Now while I understand at times there are a certain class of people who will not work there are others that cannot work. Maybe this person she is bringing over will some day get her off the welfare rolls. Many times there is a lot more hustle in immigrants than native born americans. That said she does need a co-sponser to make it through this process.

BRAVO, thank you for an intelligent well put, "OPEN MINDED" answer, WJR.

Let me tell you all something. Merry Xmas!!!!!! It is my honest and researched opinion that while there is nothing wrong with being on welfare staying on welfare has a more crippling effect than arthritis. It makes no sense for someone who is on welfare at the current time to be considering an immigrant K1, K2. CR1 visa, unless it is for unscrupulous reasons. The facts will show that the original poster of this subject was seemingly asking for a friend, so it is fair to assume that the person who is actually on welfare has not seen this post, but has posssibly received some feedback from the person who is a memeber here.

Perhaps in my desire to be humorous I failed by insinuating that the lady in question was a single mom w/ 3 kids with diffferent last names. Perhaps if we had more history on the person instead of only second hand information to make inferences from we could better judge. My response was based opn the age old idealogy that a stupid question sometimes garnishes a stupid answer. It makes no sense to anyone that has been through the process and realizes the substantial cost involved with the process to believe that someone receiving either state of federal aid would be in a financial position to complete the process. So oin summarizing my original response it was just a stupid answer to a stupid question, but a question nonetheless. So a good answer might be; I hope said person has substantial financial resources to ado the expected financial obligations that bringing a beneficiariary to this country takes. The fees alone can total into the thousands with transportation costs, passports, documentation collection and such and a decision of this magnitude should definetly be thought through in a thorough manner and with much consideration given to both the financial and time consuming process.

In closing let me say that I wish we had more information and facts on the "petitioner". Perhaps knowing how long she has been on the welfare rolls, age of her children, marriage history, medical history and placement in her schooling would clarify many things and allow me to make a better inference of her situation than from a question without any substantial background knowledge that led me to make my immoral response.

I really just thought it was a stu[id question and gave an intended as humorous response as such.

Than k you for the attention. Guys like me eat it up!!!!!!!!

Take notice everone, he tries to make excuses for his ignorance by saying it was intended to be a joke, and tries to cover up his ruthless idiotic remark about this person, by saying it was asked not for herself but for a friend of hers. Why would a newbie go through the trouble of signing up for a friend, and asking a question?? Instead of telling the friend where the site was that had a lot of information. Then goes on to say that; because it was a "friend" of the original poster it should not bother anyone because the "friend" did not see the insult, she only might have heard about it. Can anyone please tell me why it would matter if she has three kids with different last names, why would that make a difference???? Or why she would have to explain to anyone here what her situation is as to why she is on welfare, in order to ask a question? Mind you to "Az" and "Az" only, it was considered to be a stupid question. There are never stupid questions, only stupid people who "TRY" to give an intelligent answer, that is really nothing but there uneducated "Oppinion", and "Assumes" that his oppinion is the oppinion of all. And once he starts to feel the pressure from others that his oppinion is not shared by others, he claimes it as being humorous. And last but certainly not least...... I do not care if someone was homeless and wanted to start this process, they have every God given right to do so. So please anyone who is in the same situation as the original poster, "DO NOT" let this poor excuse for a human being break you down or make you feel like you will never be able to be with your loved one. I am on Disability and we are currently having a problem with our co-sponsor, but I'll be damned if I let anyone stand in my way of getting my fiance here with me and my "two" kids (which both have the same last name, just in case the moron wanted to question that) as a family. It is one thing to give an oppinion and it is another to try and force "your" beliefs onto someone. Not only are you ignorant and you should probably be the one living in a trailer park, but in reading your other post after this one, it seems to me that you might be a little prejudice also, what a joke you are. As much as I would like to include all in this, I won't speak for others; so do me a favor, only speak when you have something valuble to say, (unfortunatly, that will probably be never), but at east if it has some value behind it I won't feel like your wasting my time as much, WJR.

Sorry everyone...... But I am done giving this A!!hole any more of my "Valuble" time.

[payxibka 10,045]

And last but certainly not least...... I do not care if someone was homeless and wanted to start this process, they have every God given right to do so.

I am quite certain it is not a God given right to start this process but merely a benefit granted to us due to our citizenship ......

[wjr 3]

And last but certainly not least...... I do not care if someone was homeless and wanted to start this process, they have every God given right to do so.

I am quite certain it is not a God given right to start this process but merely a benefit granted to us due to our citizenship ......

Let me rephrase this, it is a God given right to make a decision for your life give it right or wrong. You have the right to marry. God did not say you can only marry if you are not on welfare, he did not say you can not start this process if you are on welfare. Every human being has the God given right to pursue happiness no matter who it is with, where they are at, or what their situation is. You are correct in saying it is a benefit to us due to our citizenship, but it is our "right to choose" if we want to be with a person from another contry and to start this process. My point to all this is; if someone is on welfare, it is not our place to judge, ridicule, or say that they do not have a right to marry anyone from another country, and sure does not give anyone one the right to knock a person down just because they are not living the lifestyle we are, or "WE" think they should be. I can not believe how our world is now adays. It completly disgusts me to know that so many people enjoy hurting another. I am willing to bet that any person who is below poverty guidelines is going to do what ever they possibly can to be with the person they love. This was what the OP was doing, gathering her information first to know exactly what she needs to do, (IE: get a co-sponsor, look for a job, etc) I am not her, so I don't know what her plan is, but I can tell you, if someone would just "HELP" her with her questions instead of trying to "KNOCK HER DOWN", she will be able to plan what it is she "needs" and is "going" to do, WJR

[Yodrak 7]

merijan,

Not if you can find someone else to sponsor you.

Yodrak

If the USA fiance is a mom with three kids on welfare but going to school will this be a denial?