Marines: Most Female Recruits Don't Meet New Pullup Standard

[mota bhai 2,675]

Starting Jan. 1, every woman in the Marines Corps was supposed to meet a new physical standard by performing three pullups. But that has been put off.

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The pullup test had been put off until sometime next year, to gather more data and "ensure all female Marines are given the best opportunity to succeed."

So far, female Marines are not succeeding. Fifty-five percent of female recruits tested at the end of boot camp were doing fewer than three pullups; only 1 percent of male recruits failed the test.

The three pullups is already the minimum required for all male Marines. Now the Marine Corps has postponed the plan, and that's raising questions about whether women have the physical strength to handle ground combat, which they'll be allowed to do beginning in 2016.

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The Marine Corps has been using it to test upper body strength for men for more than 40 years. And that upper body strength, they say, is necessary to serve in ground combat: to pull yourself out of a canal in Afghanistan, to climb over a mud wall, to carry an ammunition box.

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Robert Maginnis, a retired Army lieutenant colonel, says the delay shows that women just can't meet the same standards.

"Young women, in spite of all the training and all the best intentions, are not going to be the equal of young men in terms of upper body strength," Maginnis says. "You've got to have a lot of upper body strength to lift the stuff. Been there, done that."

http://www.npr.org/2013/12/27/257363943/marines-most-female-recruits-dont-meet-new-pullup-standard

[Sarah Elle-Même 660]

Oh, NPR. First of all, it's called Basic Training, not boot camp. Second, this is why Delayed Entry/Poolee program is important, and more recruits should opt into it. DEP gives recruits more time to bulk up and prepare physically and mentally for Basic.

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

Oh, NPR. First of all, it's called Basic Training, not boot camp. Second, this is why Delayed Entry/Poolee program is important, and more recruits should opt into it. DEP gives recruits more time to bulk up and prepare physically and mentally for Basic.

Basic training, boot camp... tomatoe, tomato. Same same.

And DEP is NOT to allow new recruits to "bulk up". It's to allow recruiters to make quota and get credit for signing people up now for service in the future.

[Sarah Elle-Même 660]

Basic training, boot camp... tomatoe, tomato. Same same.

And DEP is NOT to allow new recruits to "bulk up". It's to allow recruiters to make quota and get credit for signing people up now for service in the future.

I'm aware of it's official purpose thank you very much. I am saying that it can afford recruits benefits as well.

Edited December 27, 2013 by Sarah and Adnan

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Starting Jan. 1, every woman in the Marines Corps was supposed to meet a new physical standard by performing three pullups. But that has been put off.

...

The pullup test had been put off until sometime next year, to gather more data and "ensure all female Marines are given the best opportunity to succeed."

So far, female Marines are not succeeding. Fifty-five percent of female recruits tested at the end of boot camp were doing fewer than three pullups; only 1 percent of male recruits failed the test.

The three pullups is already the minimum required for all male Marines. Now the Marine Corps has postponed the plan, and that's raising questions about whether women have the physical strength to handle ground combat, which they'll be allowed to do beginning in 2016.

...

The Marine Corps has been using it to test upper body strength for men for more than 40 years. And that upper body strength, they say, is necessary to serve in ground combat: to pull yourself out of a canal in Afghanistan, to climb over a mud wall, to carry an ammunition box.

...

Robert Maginnis, a retired Army lieutenant colonel, says the delay shows that women just can't meet the same standards.

"Young women, in spite of all the training and all the best intentions, are not going to be the equal of young men in terms of upper body strength," Maginnis says. "You've got to have a lot of upper body strength to lift the stuff. Been there, done that."

http://www.npr.org/2013/12/27/257363943/marines-most-female-recruits-dont-meet-new-pullup-standard

As a former field commander , that has lead troop command units with females. They have never measured up, They are a determent to combat readiness and should not be deployed with Men in tactical environments.No matter how good it sounds on paper and how much of a warm and tingly feeling you may get thinking about the social justice of it. It plain just does not work.

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

I'm aware of it's official purpose thank you very much. I am saying that it can afford recruits benefits as well.

It can ONLY benefit them if they do pull-ups regularly before they go to boot camp. In fact, DEP has nothing to do with a person's personal drive to exercise, that must come from within. Of course, knowing the time is limited before BC might be a motivator to some.

[Umka36 781]

When I was in DEP, I used that time to settle personal matters but I did begin training prior to enlisting.

I remember going to in airborne school, and you had to do 10 pull ups before every meal. It's funny now how my wife tells me that the day I can no longer do 10 pull ups is the day I am getting old.

[Sarah Elle-Même 660]

As a former field commander , that has lead troop command units with females. They have never measured up, They are a determent to combat readiness and should not be deployed with Men in tactical environments.No matter how good it sounds on paper and how much of a warm and tingly feeling you may get thinking about the social justice of it. It plain just does not work.

I would actually agree. Most women don't measure up to the standard, and the standard especially in the infantry must stay high. I never held delusions of living the grunt life but I was disqualified from service entirely for a chronic medical condition, not for failing to measure up to the basic requirements. I trained for years, yet ironically the one thing that was out of my control is what dashed my chances. I got over it by volunteering for a non-profit that organizes recreational activities and job training/resume building for recent Vets. Been doing it for several years now. There are ways to serve your country, even when you don't measure up. That's what I'd say to those recruits.

[Danno 1,228]

Mark my word.... They will find away around this, sooner or later, even if they have to invent a whole new "comprehensive test."

The militaries Unique role is becoming less recognized as an exempt employer.

Disparate impact

In United States employment law, the doctrine of disparate impact holds that employment practicesmay be considered discriminatory and illegal if they have a disproportionate "adverse impact" on members of a minority group.

The doctrine prohibits employers "from using a facially neutral employment practice that has an unjustified adverse impact on members of a protected class. A facially neutral employment practice is one that does not appear to be discriminatory on its face; rather it is one that is discriminatory in its application or effect."^[2] Where a disparate impact is shown, the plaintiff can prevail without the necessity of showing intentional discrimination unless the defendant employer demonstrates that the practice or policy in question has a demonstrable relationship to the requirements of the job in question.^[3]

[Danno 1,228]

Mark my word.... They will find away around this, sooner or later, even if they have to invent a whole new "comprehensive test."

The militaries Unique role is becoming less recognized as an exempt employer.

Disparate impact

In United States employment law, the doctrine of disparate impact holds that employment practicesmay be considered discriminatory and illegal if they have a disproportionate "adverse impact" on members of a minority group.

The doctrine prohibits employers "from using a facially neutral employment practice that has an unjustified adverse impact on members of a protected class. A facially neutral employment practice is one that does not appear to be discriminatory on its face; rather it is one that is discriminatory in its application or effect."^[2] Where a disparate impact is shown, the plaintiff can prevail without the necessity of showing intentional discrimination unless the defendant employer demonstrates that the practice or policy in question has a demonstrable relationship to the requirements of the job in question.^[3]

Well that didn't take long to get started on eliminating this little obstacle.

Female Marines Not Required To Do 1 Pull-Up

(CNSNews.com) -- Females in the Marine Corps currently are not required to do even a single pull-up, and a deadline mandating that by Jan. 1, 2014, they be able to do at least 3 pull-ups as part of their training has been delayed for at least a year, the Corps quietly announced on social media.

Unlike their female counterparts, male Marines have long been required to do at least 3 pullups as part of the Physical Fitness Test (PFT). That's the minimum requirement for males.

Female Marines are required, however, to do a flexed-arm hang from a bar, and their PFT score is calculated based upon how long they can properly hang on the bar. (See video for pull-ups and flexed-arm hang demonstrations.)

- See more at: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-boland/female-marines-not-required-do-1-pull#sthash.0NlDzA2o.dpuf

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For the record, Danno maxed his score out with 20 pull ups.