Mikhail Kalashnikov Dead: Inventor of AK-47 Dies at 94

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

In every public school. In fact, they did this in pre-school as well.

http://www.keloland.com/newsdetail.cfm/pledge-of-allegiance-voted-down-by-sf-school-board/?id=155989

http://www.sfchronicle.com/education/article/Many-schools-skip-Pledge-of-Allegiance-4379740.php

http://www.takepart.com/photos/these-five-states-do-not-require-pledge-allegiance-schools/the-new-pledge-of-allegiance-requirements-for-nebraska-

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

http://www.keloland.com/newsdetail.cfm/pledge-of-allegiance-voted-down-by-sf-school-board/?id=155989

http://www.sfchronicle.com/education/article/Many-schools-skip-Pledge-of-Allegiance-4379740.php

http://www.takepart.com/photos/these-five-states-do-not-require-pledge-allegiance-schools/the-new-pledge-of-allegiance-requirements-for-nebraska-

Fine. Students here - starting with pre-school - recite the pledge daily. Not sure if that continues for all grades but thus far, my daughter is doing the pledge daily at school.

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

Fine. Students here - starting with pre-school - recite the pledge daily. Not sure if that continues for all grades but thus far, my daughter is doing the pledge daily at school.

Here. As in one school.

I'll have to ask my kids if they are currently doing so.

That seems wrong to me for some reason. Why should kids have to stand up and pledge allegiance to anything?

I'm guessing neither you, nor any close family members, ever served in the military...

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I knew what an F-15, an M-16, who George Patton was etc. etc. when I was a kid. BFD.

Good for you. You must be quite young, when I was a kid, the F-15 was a fantasy.

Ask a child today...12/25/2013 who John Garand is. Ask them if they know what an M-4 Sherman is. Ask them if they know who Omar Bradley is.

Visit a war memorial today and see if anyone brought fresh flowers. The difference is that things have always been pretty much the same in your city, maybe some new buildings or a park or LED street lights...things were not always the same in Ukraine/Russia. They WERE invaded by zombies

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

My wife was born and raised in Stalingrad (now Volgograd), the site of one of the bloodiest battles on the Eastern Front. I asked her if she had received any military training in school, specifically, how to disassemble and reassemble a Kalashnikov. She said no. I asked my step-daughter the same question and she said no. She asked me why I wanted to know and I told her that you were claiming that all women in the Soviet Union were trained on how to use rifles. Her response was that you were full of $hit.

3 members in this thread actually married to FSU women have a different experience.

[CarlosAndSveta 808]

3 members in this thread actually married to FSU women have a different experience.

I don't doubt what others have said about their wives experiences but you seem to always embellish things you say. You said "all" and I knew that was probably bs so that is why I asked my wife and daughter.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Here. As in one school.

I'll have to ask my kids if they are currently doing so.

I'm guessing neither you, nor any close family members, ever served in the military...

I can tell you that the schools in our city, right now, recite the pledge every morning on the PA system. Can't speak for any others.

When I was a kid in High School our school had a rifle team. The school received M1 and M14 (full auto disabled) rifles from the DCM (if you do not know what that is, then you probably should not comment further in this thread) The team members were issued these rifles and we carried them on public school buses to and from school for practice and matches. The school issued .30-06 and 7.62x51mm ammunition for them (also received from DCM) These would be classified as "Assault rifles" by idiots (because they aren't assault rifles) We were also given Winchester M52 match rifles. These were owned by the school. The school was gun savvy enough to have them each fitted with the superior Remington M75 rear appeture sight. The best rifle of the day with the best sight. The serial number on mine indicated the receiver was made June 7, 1932. 4 years after I graduated I ran into my old shooting coach and he said the school was selling the M52s and replacing them with Remingtom 40XB rifles. He asked if I wanted to buy my old rifle, he would keep it for me. OF COURSE! So I still have my old .22 match rifle from high school, now 81 years old. It is so good I bought Alla the sporter version of the same rifle for her use.

There were no "school shootings" in my school or any of the others we competed against

I cannot explain why it would be a problem now to have rifles in schools.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I don't doubt what others have said about their wives experiences but you seem to always embellish things you say. You said "all" and I knew that was probably bs so that is why I asked my wife and daughter.

ALL other members actually married to FSU women commenting in this thread match my experience.

Edited December 25, 2013 by Gary and Alla

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Gary said:

The population of St Petersburg when the siege began was 2.5 million, when it ended...less than 500,000....

My wife's grandmother was part of that group. She was lucky and gave up everything of value to get out of St Petersburg before she was killed or starved. She did not know where she was going, and ended up in Kyrgystan, but she got out alive.

True...many of the people escaped. More than a million were killed or died in the siege, the most horrific known to man, across a frozen lake where they were bombed and strafed mercilessly by zombies in airplanes. They did not know where they were going to or if they would even live, but they KNEW if they stayed they would most likely die.

Oddly enough they HOPED for the severe winter weather as they made their walk to....wherever. It would keep the zombies in airplanes from attacking them, even though more would die from freezing to death. The "road if life", the ice road across Lake Ladoga was they only way out or in to the city.

It is shameful we even refer to a "trail of tears" in this country compared to that exodus from hell. Leningrad, (now St Petersburg) is such a beautiful city, really remarkable, certainly one of the most beautful cities in the world..."Venice of the North" Visiting the memorials is very difficult for me.

YES the training WAS driven by the experience of being invaded by zombies.

There is NO ONE in these countries that does not have a direct story to tell...not of some ancient ancestor but of someone they knew, or can still eat dinner with. Your wife is here today because of what her grandmother did, she probably had the honor of knowing this woman. My wife's grandfathers, both of them, were killed.

Sunday we are going to go to Ukraine and visit Kharkov again. I am anxious to see the, now open, new history museum. Kharkov was on the southern flank of the battle of Kursk, the largest tank battle in history, and was liberated as a result of the battle. I am always impressed with the respect people have for what was given to them by those men and women. The country they fought for no longer exists and no one cares...it was just a lot of scared men and women doing what they could to survive and win back what was theirs.

We can speak of "dictators" and "regimes" and "oppression" but I can assure you that each of those people considered kicking the zombies out and restoring the Soviet Union WAS getting back their "freedom" Ukraine and Russia can have their pissing matches, to be sure, but you do not see it on May 9.

anyone who thinks they forgot about the zombies should go to one of the big cities on May 9.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Good for you. You must be quite young, when I was a kid, the F-15 was a fantasy.

When you were a kid, flying was a fantasy.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

When you were a kid, flying was a fantasy.

We only had balls to play with.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

We only had balls to play with.

When I was a kid, we were so poor if I didn't have a hard on I didn't have anything to play with.

[CarlosAndSveta 808]

ALL other members actually married to FSU women commenting in this thread match my experience.

But my wife and daughter's experience doesn't match what you stated. So your claim that all FSU women receiving weapons training is BS.

[Karee 4,190]

I'm guessing neither you, nor any close family members, ever served in the military...

I haven't personally, but close family members have. Not sure what the hell that has to do with anything? Does that somehow make you more American? Maybe you should get 2 votes in every election.

I guess I have a problem with governments or religions having kids pledge allegiance to something which they don't even understand. Seems they should be old enough to understand what it is they're pledging allegiance to, before they're asked to make that pledge.

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

I haven't personally, but close family members have. Not sure what the hell that has to do with anything? Does that somehow make you more American? Maybe you should get 2 votes in every election.

I guess I have a problem with governments or religions having kids pledge allegiance to something which they don't even understand. Seems they should be old enough to understand what it is they're pledging allegiance to, before they're asked to make that pledge.

No, but typically military folks have more understanding and respect for loyalty to the American flag, usually because they have given of themselves to protect the freedoms it represents.

The government doesn't force kids to say the pledge. That's a state/local thing, even down to the school level. If your children don't understand why pledging allegiance is important, perhaps that's something you could teach them yourself. The values of LDRSHIP don't just get taught at school, it begins at home.