Spain gov't approves new restrictive abortion law (Danno was right again)

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

"That" is exactly what Slave holders said at one time.... and firmly believed.

The right to life, Liberty, blah blah blah, did not extend to slaves.

They probably also said something like "How does my owning slaves, effect your family?"

Look the fact and truth is, these are lives separate lives growing inside the womb... complete with their own DNA.

That you can not afford them any rights or protects or even consideration, is truly reminiscent of another era when that thought was so prevalent.

Stopping human life from being created is one thing.....destroying it after is already is, well, thats a complete different thing.

It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. G. K. Chesterton

Slavery has nothing to do with abortion. And reproductive rights are not your concern. They are the sole concern of the women involved.

[Danno 1,228]

Slavery has nothing to do with abortion. And reproductive rights are not your concern. They are the sole concern of the women involved.

Even that reply was just not true.

That a woman is pregnant is a "public concern".. not just private.

SO much so that the developing child within her has the protection of the law, if anyone were to harm the child in say a robbery attempt or a driving accident,

you would be charged with harming or killing as though it were anyone else, there is no "discount" because the life was unborn.

So you are wrong, it is not her "sole concern."

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

Even that reply was just not true.

That a woman is pregnant is a "public concern".. not just private.

SO much so that the developing child within her has the protection of the law, if anyone were to harm the child in say a robbery attempt or a driving accident,

you would be charged with harming or killing as though it were anyone else, there is no "discount" because the life was unborn.

So you are wrong, it is not her "sole concern."

Not the case in every jurisdiction, even within the US. Furthermore, in some of the jurisdictions where fetal homicide can be pursued, there is discretion not to pursue it as a charge.

Pregnant women aren't a public concern. That's insulting to all women, frankly, and really creepy. Women are private individuals, just like men. Ew.

Edited December 24, 2013 by the maven

[Danno 1,228]

Not the case in every jurisdiction, even within the US. Furthermore, in some of the jurisdictions where fetal homicide can be pursued, there is discretion not to pursue it as a charge.

Pregnant women aren't a public concern. That's insulting to all women, frankly, and really creepy. Women are private individuals, just like men. Ew.

I think you are splitting hairs.

My main point that the unborn are protected by law from everyone (but their mother)... and yes, there are some variances by jurisdiction, yet protected as full human by federal law.

Sure all people are private individuals ... protected by law (as are the unborn).

While you do speak for yourself quite well lets not pretend you speak for or know when, all women are insulted.

Even I can't do that.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

I think you are splitting hairs.

My main point that the unborn are protected by law from everyone (but their mother)... and yes, there are some variances by jurisdiction, yet protected as full human by federal law.

Sure all people are private individuals ... protected by law (as are the unborn).

While you do speak for yourself quite well lets not pretend you speak for or know when, all women are insulted.

Even I can't do that.

So much prevarication. You just completely undermined your pronouncements.

Next.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Even that reply was just not true.

That a woman is pregnant is a "public concern".. not just private.

SO much so that the developing child within her has the protection of the law, if anyone were to harm the child in say a robbery attempt or a driving accident,

you would be charged with harming or killing as though it were anyone else, there is no "discount" because the life was unborn.

So you are wrong, it is not her "sole concern."

That's because unfortunately the law in some parts of the US was crafted by backward, bible thumping zealots.