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I have never been a big fan of President Bush, didn't vote for him the first time or the second time. When did it become common place for folks who travel in those protocol circles to refer to him as Mr. Bush? Like I said, I am not a fan and never will be but it seems to me you should always refer to him as President Bush when talking about him in the media. Makes me cringe every time I hear it.

And I dont believe the conspiricy theories about the liberals running the media.

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I have never been a big fan of President Bush, didn't vote for him the first time or the second time. When did it become common place for folks who travel in those protocol circles to refer to him as Mr. Bush? Like I said, I am not a fan and never will be but it seems to me you should always refer to him as President Bush when talking about him in the media. Makes me cringe every time I hear it.

And I dont believe the conspiricy theories about the liberals running the media.

i 'd guess that referring to the president as mr bush instead of president bush is a way to demean him

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Nah, he demeans himself. Its called respect, he dont respect anyone, why should anyone show him the respect of actually muttering President since he surely doesnt act like one.

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I was brought up right, i just make the choice to not call him mr or president. Has nothing to do with my parents or the way they raised me just bc i use my own mind.

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The correct form of address is 'Mr. President'. Misuse doesn't denote lack of respect. It denotes a lack of proper upbringing.

Actually, within journalism there are standards that apply only to the industry. How to address people is something that varies from news source to news source (i.e. you will see the New York Times call someone Joe Smith the first time he is mentioned and then refer to him as "Mr. Smith" the rest of the article, while another newspaper will then refer to him only as "Smith"). But it's been generally agreed upon that the style choice of calling him President Bush and then continuing with Mr. Bush or "the president" is acceptable and you'll see it everywhere. You'll also see it applied to any other world leader.

Here's an example from the Guardian:

President George Bush has told senior advisers that the US and its allies must make "a last big push" to win the war in Iraq and that instead of beginning a troop withdrawal next year, he may increase US forces by up to 20,000 soldiers, according to sources familiar with the administration's internal deliberations.

Mr Bush's refusal to give ground, coming in the teeth of growing calls in the US and Britain for a radical rethink or a swift exit, is having a decisive impact on the policy review being conducted by the Iraq Study Group chaired by Bush family loyalist James Baker, the sources said.

In fact, sometimes, in news sources that would call Joe Smith only "Smith" after first reference, you'll see them call Bush "Mr. Bush" anyway, so if anything, it's actually showing him more respect than most others would get.

And finally, in regular usage, "Mr. President" would only be the correct name for the president if you were directly addressing him.

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The correct form of address is 'Mr. President'. Misuse doesn't denote lack of respect. It denotes a lack of proper upbringing.

Actually, within journalism there are standards that apply only to the industry. How to address people is something that varies from news source to news source (i.e. you will see the New York Times call someone Joe Smith the first time he is mentioned and then refer to him as "Mr. Smith" the rest of the article, while another newspaper will then refer to him only as "Smith"). But it's been generally agreed upon that the style choice of calling him President Bush and then continuing with Mr. Bush or "the president" is acceptable and you'll see it everywhere. You'll also see it applied to any other world leader.

Here's an example from the Guardian:

President George Bush has told senior advisers that the US and its allies must make "a last big push" to win the war in Iraq and that instead of beginning a troop withdrawal next year, he may increase US forces by up to 20,000 soldiers, according to sources familiar with the administration's internal deliberations.

Mr Bush's refusal to give ground, coming in the teeth of growing calls in the US and Britain for a radical rethink or a swift exit, is having a decisive impact on the policy review being conducted by the Iraq Study Group chaired by Bush family loyalist James Baker, the sources said.

In fact, sometimes, in news sources that would call Joe Smith only "Smith" after first reference, you'll see them call Bush "Mr. Bush" anyway, so if anything, it's actually showing him more respect than most others would get.

And finally, in regular usage, "Mr. President" would only be the correct name for the president if you were directly addressing him.

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i could so sit here and argue rebeccajo all day over her statement over the fact ppl choose to call him president or not, but i dont want to, it will only mean i care. so i remain in what i said above and end it at that.

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I think he should be referred to as President Bush because it isn't about the man, it is about the office and showing respect for that position.

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I was brought up right, i just make the choice to not call him mr or president. Has nothing to do with my parents or the way they raised me just bc i use my own mind.

But he is the President, whether you call him so or not. You can call an apple an orange all day long, but it doesn't change the fact that it's still an apple.

But that's ok..you can have your lil 'rebellion' if it makes you feel better :thumbs: Technically, you're disrespecting your countrymen since Bush was actually elected in a free democracy, but whatever

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When I said 'poor upbringing' I wasn't referring to what someone calls the President in threads or conversation.

I was referring to proper terms of address in business and diplomacy.

I agree! I am insulted when my six year old daughter's friends call me by my first name. I still call my neighbors Mr and Mrs Smith or Mr and Mrs whatever. I would never of called a adult by there first name when I was a child. Where did this go ? I insist on my daughter addressing adults PROPERLY and with RESPECT.

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Technically, you're disrespecting your countrymen since Bush was actually elected in a free democracy, but whatever

Is there some kind of procedural manual defining what it is to disrespect one's countrywomen? You are stretching here. He wasn't elected by everyone in a free democracy, so taking your opinion from above, we can say that referring to him as "Mr." is disrespecting your countrywomen who didn't vote for him.

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