Thoughts on keeping families together (and a possible petition)

[Ontarkie 14,226]

~~Moved to General Immigration-Related Discussion, from IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures~~

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PLEASE READ the caveats at the end of this post before responding so we don’t turn this into a pointless flame war.

OP, I posted similar about a year ago. I was shouted down that it doesn't make sense.

I think there are ways to enforce people who must/should go back home to do so......IF, the government truly wants. plus it might create some new jobs.....people who are positioned just to deport/find people to deport..... both my siblings have been deported from the U.S at the age of 18 because their mother brought them to the U.S illegally, and kept it a secret. I just think we can find a middle path to make things easier on everyone.....thats what i am up for.....my baby boy, my fiances first child, will be born in april , and he will not be there, he might not even see his first child until he is one year old, how heart breaking?? I respect the system in every way, its just too heart breaking......to go through this. i cannot visit him.....he cannot visit me, he cannot touch or hold his own first child for perhaps the whole first year of his life.......

I included that as part of my suggestion.

How is that enforce people who must go home workin out when ther are 12,000,000 illegals in the US?

Deportation is not easy or cost effective.

Furthermore, people in the US are afforded due process which means everyone who is caught will fight in immigration court. Where would you like the tax money to pay for increase deportation come from?

Why can't you go visit him?

Knowing that it will take a year for him to immigrate, why did you choose to get pregnant?

Sorry for your separation, but you simply planned poorly.

You can't blame the US for your fiancé not be able to hold his baby when you knew it would take a year for him to immigrate and you choose to get pregnant and for you choosin to return to the US rather than be with him.

This.

My Fiancee/Wife wanted to get pregnant. We discussed it and I convinced her that it would make the process harder than necessary. No pregnancy during the process (well we celebrate after her successful interview - wink). She's now 3 months pregnant.

aaron2020 dont you think your being a bit too aggressive????? my posts are very very very neutral and on both sides, ive stated repeatedly how much i respect our system and our beautiful country and all the hard work being put into all of this. I am for anything that may better and ease up the process. JESUS! where the h*** does it state that i BLAMED THE U.S for me and my fiance and baby not being together. AND NO I DID NOT PLAN POORLY. if you know much about life, you would know, that not everything goes according to plan. i didn't plan to fall in love, i didn't plan to get pregnant, i certainly didn't plan at all to do visa papers for anyone in my life......i fell in love , i got pregnant and here i am doing visa work for someone i love , IF YOU PLAN ON DOING VISA FOR people ahead of time, than maybe your relationships are questionable.....no one plans on falling in love, you don't do calculations and come up with an equation on which country to marry from or what ethnicity to spend your life with. i cant believe how some people reply.....

By the way, i cannot see or even dream of seeing my baby daddy until he gets his visa because of three countries' WELL RESPECTED policies, Syria, which is a hellhole right now, Saudi Arabia, which has THE MOST DIFFICULT visit policies on earth, and finally our beautiful U.S which is trying to protect us all. so please when replying don't try to be so offensive, especially in such a sensitive and difficult subject......

Your posts shows a lack of inability to look at both sides of issues.

I knew I was going to approach the US government for a petition as part of my future plans because I was exclusively dating in my city of birth and I was going to marry someone from there - my culture, religion, upbringing, etc, not here in the US with absolute certainty.

I know it also perturbs you but we managed not to get pregnant withing the process because we planned and guarded completely against it.

I do agree with you on this though "please when replying don't try to be so offensive, especially in such a sensitive and difficult subject......".

[Virtuous45 31]

Jamie & Izzy, thanks for your post. I guess with topics like this, you will never be able to keep away the negative comments...its a mixed bag.

I agree with your idea of a petition on making the immediate relatives live in the US with their spouse/parent while their I-130 visa is processed. For change to happen, there has to be someone with a vision, and the support of those who catch the vision and fight to bring it to pass. I believe it would be much easier for the Govt. to reign in those who have breached the arrangement, and deport them (and children) at the petitioner's expense IF they are found to have committed visa fraud. They should then be barred from any future application.

I'm not a USC or live in the US, but fell in love with a USC, marry him and yearns to be with my husband daily. I, like the majority on VJ, never dreamt that I would have met and fell in love with someone in the US..and I have no regrets. I do know however, that immigrating to live with him would have to be done the legal way. But, like all other law-abiding people, we have wait for the end of this journey to be completed.

I would welcome any change that enables the beneficiary to be with their loved one, while our visas are processed. I believe also that it should be right across the board - whether married with/ without children; from one country or another...at the end of the day, we all feel the same pain of being separated from our loved one.

[lonelywithouthim1 36]

I think the OP was just trying to see if there was anything that can make this process easier for all involved. I think it's a great idea to talk about it and see if there are any changes that can be helpful to those going through the process and make it easier for our government. With that being said, I would love for my husband to be here while we go through the process. It would be easier in so many ways but as an American, I also see so many that came legally but stayed illegally. If we can't find a solution to those that are already here illagally how can we expect our government to take steps to the possibilty of more illegals. OP I know you said not to discuss illegals but your suggestion has the possibility of increasing the number of illegals in the U.S. I hate being apart fom my husband, it has been a nightmare. I never thought it would take this long but I understand why he can't be here until he is appoved. Maybe we can look at the process and see if we can suggest changes there...USCIS, NVC and Embassy ..each seem to have a process and some doesn't always seem to be by the book. I think we have a better chance of looking at the delayes based on the errors made by USCIS, NVC and embassy and suggesting solutions. This is based in my opinion and journey......

Edited December 16, 2013 by lonelywithouthim1

[LIFE'SJOURNEY 970]

If people would take the human emotion out of their proposal, these post woul become flame throwers to others. First, most of what everyone has proppose is taking immigration back 20 years. learn what was done in the past before you propose a change for the future.

The government make changes based on numbers not on emotions, therefore any type of emotonal change is meet with the same reactions, that others on VJ have responded with. BTW, I am sure you and 9999, more have sent in similar letters and request. But that should not stop anyone.

NO ONE SHOULD BE GIVEN A HIGHER CHANCE IN IMMIGRATION DUE TO CONDITIONS THAT ARE CREATED BY HUMAN ERRORS.

Suggest a change that will not cost the US tax payers any money, if a spouse or a child is denied immigration and they must be deported, that is a cost that is bared by the US tax payers who had no investment in your situation.

If there is no cost to the US tax payers than you would have a better chance in getting some tracking.

[Hotter Otter 1,211]

current system has worked great for many years. no need to change it.

Wow that's the first time I've ever heard anyone describe the current system as great. What position are you employed in at USCIS?!

[Husakovic 31]

Being apart from your husband/wife is heartbraking and totally unnatural....as far as this pregnancy discussion I would LOVE to get pregnant as soon as possible but I know that doing so during this immigration process could only create more hardship on our family....heh, guess have to wait yet ANOTHER year and listen to my biological clock ticking...

[Boiler 45,525]

If you exclude the processing delays, it should only take a month or so.

Increase the fees so they can be processed more quickly?

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If you exclude the processing delays, it should only take a month or so.

Increase the fees so they can be processed more quickly?

I suggested that too.

Or perhaps an expedite fee as offered in other classes of visas.

As well as better triaging like we do in the health care industry. When you arrive in the ER, those with life threatening injuries sees the Doctor ahead of someone with a simple fracture.

So the family guy USC that left his Wife of 15 years and kids in Honduras should probably get ahead in line of dreamy eyed one week Facebook lovers.

And of course it's ridiculous to make service members wait at all. Without them this may be all moot anyways.

[LIFE'SJOURNEY 970]

So the family guy USC that left his Wife of 15 years and kids in Honduras should probably get ahead in line of dreamy eyed one week Facebook lovers.

SMH LOL....

What I find so funny with most of these poster that complain about the wait time, is that within a 2 year period they are back asking about how to send someback to their country, because the relationship is over.

How about having the USC paying a per day rate for everydy that a non resident is present in the US without the proper authorization. Tye it to their income taxes.

Edited December 16, 2013 by LIFE'SJOURNEY

[mngoalie 10]

Allowing any sort of expedite for something that, generally, is plannable or preventible is a bad idea. What about us that can't get pregnant? We're both males so we'd never get a pregnancy expedite and just keep getting pushed further and further in line..

We did a long distance relationship for 10 years and were finally able to get married and have it recognized for immigration. Some on here talk about how hard it is for afew months.. try 10 years..

[Kaylara 814]

I suggested that too.

Or perhaps an expedite fee as offered in other classes of visas.

As well as better triaging like we do in the health care industry. When you arrive in the ER, those with life threatening injuries sees the Doctor ahead of someone with a simple fracture.

So the family guy USC that left his Wife of 15 years and kids in Honduras should probably get ahead in line of dreamy eyed one week Facebook lovers.

And of course it's ridiculous to make service members wait at all. Without them this may be all moot anyways.

I acutally think that putting through the family guy USC with the 15 year marriage and kids that are out of the country should be in the front of the line. The rate of marriage fraud for those people are going to be very low in comparison to the CR/K1 people, and their cases should be very easy to verify. Speeding up those people would reduce the backlog and overall numbers of people waiting fairly quickly. But I also think that petitions that have kids involved should go towards the front of the line, regardless of the immigrant class. And military people.

However, I can see the draw backs in that as well. That could mean ridiculous wait times for CR/K1 people, and I'm not willing to throw them under the bus just so my case gets adjudicated a little more quickly. I love and miss my husband like crazy, but it goes against everything I believe to needlessly hurt other people for my own benefit.

Actually, if we could just get them to actually process the cases in the order in which they are received, I think that would be a huge achievement and help reduce the overall time we're kept waiting.

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I acutally think that putting through the family guy USC with the 15 year marriage and kids that are out of the country should be in the front of the line. The rate of marriage fraud for those people are going to be very low in comparison to the CR/K1 people, and their cases should be very easy to verify. Speeding up those people would reduce the backlog and overall numbers of people waiting fairly quickly. But I also think that petitions that have kids involved should go towards the front of the line, regardless of the immigrant class. And military people.

However, I can see the draw backs in that as well. That could mean ridiculous wait times for CR/K1 people, and I'm not willing to throw them under the bus just so my case gets adjudicated a little more quickly. I love and miss my husband like crazy, but it goes against everything I believe to needlessly hurt other people for my own benefit.

Actually, if we could just get them to actually process the cases in the order in which they are received, I think that would be a huge achievement and help reduce the overall time we're kept waiting.

We all know that petitions can be adjudicated inside fo two weeks if not even sooner.

So no one will be thrown under the bus but you'll have a dedicated line for those who clearly have a bonafide relationship and those who can pay an expedited fee.

For the alternative lifestyle folks, please don't use this as a handicap. If you can prove that you've been in a relationship with your partner for ten years then you get the same priviledge as my straight USC Honduras family Man example. It's length of time of relationship and not offspring that proves a bona fide relationship in my opinion.

This is not about leaving anybody behind but making the process faster and streamlined.

As far as making the overstay folks leave the US, well there are a lot of retired ex military types with no jobs, let's set up a Department Of Deportation for them, let's go to the dessert and unembalm some of those airliner rotting out there and offer flights back home.

With court order in hand from immigration court (even in absentia), they can proceed to track the offender and have them flew out with little fuss.

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So the family guy USC that left his Wife of 15 years and kids in Honduras should probably get ahead in line of dreamy eyed one week Facebook lovers.

SMH LOL....

What I find so funny with most of these poster that complain about the wait time, is that within a 2 year period they are back asking about how to send someback to their country, because the relationship is over.

How about having the USC paying a per day rate for everydy that a non resident is present in the US without the proper authorization. Tye it to their income taxes.

One of my pet peeves and one of the ways I whiled away time during our process was spend tiem in the Effects section. I read a lot of those posts and then go back into the archives to see how their relationships developed.

I still cannot understand how USC can make such a leap of faith after a quick meet to get married to a foreigner. I fully vetted my Wife, my family and friends did, my older Sister who leaves in the same city did too but I still sweated a little when I was signing that I-864.

[aaron2020 11,651]

As far as making the overstay folks leave the US, well there are a lot of retired ex military types with no jobs, let's set up a Department Of Deportation for them, let's go to the dessert and unembalm some of those airliner rotting out there and offer flights back home.

With court order in hand from immigration court (even in absentia), they can proceed to track the offender and have them flew out with little fuss.

Who will pay these retired ex military type to do this? US taxpayers?

DUE PROCESS. The US does not operate like that. People cannot be processed ex parte and flown out of the country with little fuss. The US Constitution guarantees all people (legal or not) within US borders be afforded due process. This means the person has a right to go to immigration court to fight any deportation.

The deport them if they are bad apples after allowing them to work and live in the US is NOT CHEAP, FREE, or FAST. It cost money to enforce to detain and deport people. People who have the right to have their day in court.

Edited December 16, 2013 by aaron2020