It's Thursday Again!

[Ban Hammer 13,336]

so now you are telling me i can't post here? interesting........

nor was i aware that one has to have a SO to post here. musta missed the memo about that

You didn't answer the question.

I never said that you must have an SO from MENA to post here. But one can't help but wonder what your reason is for doing it so much. There's no one else who does.

nor did you

that's ok, i'm still waiting to find out who i have an alliance with.

I did answer your question.

Charles: so now you are telling me i can't post here?

Jenn: I never said that you must have an SO from MENA to post here.

ETA: I obviously can't tell you where you can and can not post. But I think it's clear that I and several other members would prefer that you not.

um, yes you already have answered that with your stated mission........

It's more my issue with Charles than anything. I'm on a mission to see that he has no reason to continue posting in the MENA forum as he contributes nothing. If he is not continually validated, he will get tired and go find someone else to bother.

[peezey 0]

I really don't think it's BS, noura. It's actually something that I feel very strongly about. I am very protective of people that I care about and I care about the women of the MENA forum. I don't like to see them toyed with for someone else's weird amusement.

It has become obvious that this protectiveness and concern for the other women is not reciprocated. The argument is not perceived as "necessary" and is seen as "bickering". If this is how they see it, let them have their racist stalking buddy. The rest of us can put him on ignore.

At this point, I am far more hurt and angry by those who are calling this "bickering" and "drama" than I am about Charles' racist comments. I hope no one encounters this kind of thing in real life, when your husbands arrive and have to venture out into the real world here. Violence against Muslims and Arabs in the United States is at an all-time high, now, more than 5 years after 9/11. And it starts with sick "little" comments like Charles', then people sweeping it under the rug, and then suddenly everyone is shocked someone leaves a pig head on the mosque front steps. I, for one, will not stop standing up for what is right here, even if some of you choose not to.

I think everyone should go back and listen to the radio segment Bosco posted the other day. It's about a muslim family whose daughter was terrorized by school kids after 9/11. The daughter ends up not going to school at all and the parents ended up separating. Excrutiatingly painful to listen to, but a lesson for all of us.

Edited December 21, 2006 by peezey

[Ban Hammer 13,336]

...and Charles hopes his magic weapon (crying "anti-semite!") can shut up criticism of his bizarre and disturbing stalking behavior. What a loser.

Yep Jenn, you know exactly why he's not in the China forum -- it's got no wives or fiancees of Muslims to stalk. That's why spends more time in here than in the Brazil forum, too.

maybe it's because of your magnetic personality, wom

[Ban Hammer 13,336]

At this point, I am far more hurt and angry by those who are calling this "bickering" and "drama" than I am about Charles' racist comments.

so now you have a first hand view of how your bigoted remarks about age feel?

[Jenn! 918]

At this point, I am far more hurt and angry by those who are calling this "bickering" and "drama" than I am about Charles' racist comments.

so now you have a first hand view of how your bigoted remarks about age feel?

Right. You're history of bigoted statments were all to teach peezey a lesson then.

[Ban Hammer 13,336]

At this point, I am far more hurt and angry by those who are calling this "bickering" and "drama" than I am about Charles' racist comments.

so now you have a first hand view of how your bigoted remarks about age feel?

Right. You're history of bigoted statments were all to teach peezey a lesson then.

i wonder if the mena grammar police will jump on you like they did me

[ya falaha! 0]

By using the word "bicker" in my last statement I meant no offense. It's just a word I use for back and forth arguing. Sorry.

As a Muslim woman I have been harrassed in the past on more than one occasion. I know what that feels like first hand. My ex husband is Muslim also and was harrassed on a few occasions after 9/11. My current husband was called a n***** by Americans in his own country! The nerve. We were at a koshary place in Cairo which was packed. The host seated us with another couple who we didn't know. This was a middle aged white American couple. My husband reached under the table to get my handbag for me. The woman immediately looked to see if he was trying to take her handbag. She then muttered under her breath...where did she (me) get this n***** from? I was appalled and very hurt for my husband. He let it roll but I know it bothered him. I tend to not let things bother me so much because I've learned it doesn't help me to dwell on things. I know how hurtful it is to hear racist comments. Does it help me to get myself worked up about it? No. It will not change the person who perpetrated the racism. I just learn to avoid these types of ppl. I have realized long ago that I cannot change the world I can only change myself.

What I'm seeing here in this thread is a, "if you're not with me, you're against me" mentality. So if anyone makes a comment to or about Charles that isn't negative they're gonna be blacklisted? That's a bit much. If you don't like Charles, put him on ignore. I remember many racist comments Charles has made in the past whether on this forum or OT or whatever. I can't tell you what they were exactly but I do remember instances. I don't agree with him in that respect but I don't hate him either. I have bigger things to worry about than to hate someone who made racist comments online.

Edited December 21, 2006 by moody

[melly 0]

Um.... happy Thursday everyone???

It's cold here as per usualy lately, though at least it wasn't below freezing when I left for work this morning.

There's so much sugary chocolatey junk food here at work lately I'm afraid I'm gonna gain about a zillion pounds.

Oh well... one more day then a three day weekend.

hurrah.

[ya falaha! 0]

Melly...when are you leaving for Egypt?

[Bosco 1]

By using the word "bicker" in my last statement I meant no offense. It's just a word I use for back and forth arguing. Sorry.

As a Muslim woman I have been harrassed in the past on more than one occasion. I know what that feels like first hand. My ex husband is Muslim also and was harrassed on a few occasions after 9/11. My current husband was called a n***** by Americans in his own country! The nerve. We were at a koshary place in Cairo which was packed. The host seated us with another couple who we didn't know. This was a middle aged white American couple. My husband reached under the table to get my handbag for me. The woman immediately looked to see if he was trying to take her handbag. She then muttered under her breath...where did she (me) get this n***** from? I was appalled and very hurt for my husband. He let it roll but I know it bothered him. I tend to not let things bother me so much because I've learned it doesn't help me to dwell on things. I know how hurtful it is to hear racist comments. Does it help me to get myself worked up about it? No. It will not change the person who perpetrated the racism. I just learn to avoid these types of ppl. I have realized long ago that I cannot change the world I can only change myself.

What I'm seeing here in this thread is a, "if you're not with me, you're against me" mentality. So if anyone makes a comment to or about Charles that isn't negative they're gonna be blacklisted? That's a bit much. If you don't like Charles, put him on ignore. I remember many racist comments Charles has made in the past whether on this forum or OT or whatever. I can't tell you what they were exactly but I do remember instances. I don't agree with him in that respect but I don't hate him either. I have bigger things to worry about than to hate someone who made racist comments online.

I think this is all fine in terms of his racism, everyone will handle it differenly. However, it is ignoring the fact that he has displayed very creepy, cyber-stalking-like behavior towards Jenn. I do feel that by making this a warm and cozy forum for him by replying to him and welcoming him here (I am not saying anyone needs to speak out against him) that sides have been taken. The forum has become less welcoming for Jenn and more welcoming to Charles, who did that to her. Jenn is a positive support for so many people here, and I think it is a shame that her concern for everyone is returned by welcoming someone who has done something that would make most of us feel very uneasy.

Edited December 21, 2006 by Bosco

[peezey 0]

By using the word "bicker" in my last statement I meant no offense. It's just a word I use for back and forth arguing. Sorry.

As a Muslim woman I have been harrassed in the past on more than one occasion. I know what that feels like first hand. My ex husband is Muslim also and was harrassed on a few occasions after 9/11. My current husband was called a n***** by Americans in his own country! The nerve. We were at a koshary place in Cairo which was packed. The host seated us with another couple who we didn't know. This was a middle aged white American couple. My husband reached under the table to get my handbag for me. The woman immediately looked to see if he was trying to take her handbag. She then muttered under her breath...where did she (me) get this n***** from? I was appalled and very hurt for my husband. He let it roll but I know it bothered him. I tend to not let things bother me so much because I've learned it doesn't help me to dwell on things. I know how hurtful it is to hear racist comments. Does it help me to get myself worked up about it? No. It will not change the person who perpetrated the racism. I just learn to avoid these types of ppl. I have realized long ago that I cannot change the world I can only change myself.

What I'm seeing here in this thread is a, "if you're not with me, you're against me" mentality. So if anyone makes a comment to or about Charles that isn't negative they're gonna be blacklisted? That's a bit much. If you don't like Charles, put him on ignore. I remember many racist comments Charles has made in the past whether on this forum or OT or whatever. I can't tell you what they were exactly but I do remember instances. I don't agree with him in that respect but I don't hate him either. I have bigger things to worry about than to hate someone who made racist comments online.

Charles has stalked 2 people (that I know of) on this thread. That's something, if done to anyone in this group, would tell me to rally around that person(s). You dont' feel that you need that kind of support should something that sick happen to you, then fine, but those of us who feel differently will be there for you should you change your mind. This isn't only about flippant racist comments.

[Ban Hammer 13,336]

By using the word "bicker" in my last statement I meant no offense. It's just a word I use for back and forth arguing. Sorry.

As a Muslim woman I have been harrassed in the past on more than one occasion. I know what that feels like first hand. My ex husband is Muslim also and was harrassed on a few occasions after 9/11. My current husband was called a n***** by Americans in his own country! The nerve. We were at a koshary place in Cairo which was packed. The host seated us with another couple who we didn't know. This was a middle aged white American couple. My husband reached under the table to get my handbag for me. The woman immediately looked to see if he was trying to take her handbag. She then muttered under her breath...where did she (me) get this n***** from? I was appalled and very hurt for my husband. He let it roll but I know it bothered him. I tend to not let things bother me so much because I've learned it doesn't help me to dwell on things. I know how hurtful it is to hear racist comments. Does it help me to get myself worked up about it? No. It will not change the person who perpetrated the racism. I just learn to avoid these types of ppl. I have realized long ago that I cannot change the world I can only change myself.

What I'm seeing here in this thread is a, "if you're not with me, you're against me" mentality. So if anyone makes a comment to or about Charles that isn't negative they're gonna be blacklisted? That's a bit much. If you don't like Charles, put him on ignore. I remember many racist comments Charles has made in the past whether on this forum or OT or whatever. I can't tell you what they were exactly but I do remember instances. I don't agree with him in that respect but I don't hate him either. I have bigger things to worry about than to hate someone who made racist comments online.

Charles has stalked 2 people (that I know of) on this thread. That's something, if done to anyone in this group, would tell me to rally around that person(s). You dont' feel that you need that kind of support should something that sick happen to you, then fine, but those of us who feel differently will be there for you should you change your mind. This isn't only about flippant racist comments.

so miss high and mighty, where is the outrage about people from here going thru my photobucket account? hmmm? oh yes, i forgot, you are the queen of the double standard

[Jenn! 918]

By using the word "bicker" in my last statement I meant no offense. It's just a word I use for back and forth arguing. Sorry.

As a Muslim woman I have been harrassed in the past on more than one occasion. I know what that feels like first hand. My ex husband is Muslim also and was harrassed on a few occasions after 9/11. My current husband was called a n***** by Americans in his own country! The nerve. We were at a koshary place in Cairo which was packed. The host seated us with another couple who we didn't know. This was a middle aged white American couple. My husband reached under the table to get my handbag for me. The woman immediately looked to see if he was trying to take her handbag. She then muttered under her breath...where did she (me) get this n***** from? I was appalled and very hurt for my husband. He let it roll but I know it bothered him. I tend to not let things bother me so much because I've learned it doesn't help me to dwell on things. I know how hurtful it is to hear racist comments. Does it help me to get myself worked up about it? No. It will not change the person who perpetrated the racism. I just learn to avoid these types of ppl. I have realized long ago that I cannot change the world I can only change myself.

What I'm seeing here in this thread is a, "if you're not with me, you're against me" mentality. So if anyone makes a comment to or about Charles that isn't negative they're gonna be blacklisted? That's a bit much. If you don't like Charles, put him on ignore. I remember many racist comments Charles has made in the past whether on this forum or OT or whatever. I can't tell you what they were exactly but I do remember instances. I don't agree with him in that respect but I don't hate him either. I have bigger things to worry about than to hate someone who made racist comments online.

I think this is all fine in terms of his racism, everyone will handle it differenly. However, it is ignoring the fact that he has displayed very creepy, cyber-stalking-like behavior towards Jenn. I do feel that by making this a warm and cozy forum for him by replying to him and welcoming him here (I am not saying anyone needs to speak out against him) that sides have been taken. The forum has become less welcoming for Jenn and more welcoming to Charles, who did that to her. Jenn is a positive support for so many people here, and I think it is a shame that her concern for everyone is returned by welcoming someone who has done something that would make most of us feel very uneasy.

Thank you for saying that. I will admit that I tried to play along for a while. It was more pleasant to just pretend that everything was fine and dandy and that Charles did not bother me. But yesterday's comment was the straw that broke the camel's back.

I do find it hurtful that others are not bothered. I know I can't control how others feel, but I do feel slighted. That's why doodlebug's post set me off first thing this morning (I know she meant no harm ). After it all, Charles seems to be an accepted member of this forum.

So be it.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

By using the word "bicker" in my last statement I meant no offense. It's just a word I use for back and forth arguing. Sorry.

As a Muslim woman I have been harrassed in the past on more than one occasion. I know what that feels like first hand. My ex husband is Muslim also and was harrassed on a few occasions after 9/11. My current husband was called a n***** by Americans in his own country! The nerve. We were at a koshary place in Cairo which was packed. The host seated us with another couple who we didn't know. This was a middle aged white American couple. My husband reached under the table to get my handbag for me. The woman immediately looked to see if he was trying to take her handbag. She then muttered under her breath...where did she (me) get this n***** from? I was appalled and very hurt for my husband. He let it roll but I know it bothered him. I tend to not let things bother me so much because I've learned it doesn't help me to dwell on things. I know how hurtful it is to hear racist comments. Does it help me to get myself worked up about it? No. It will not change the person who perpetrated the racism. I just learn to avoid these types of ppl. I have realized long ago that I cannot change the world I can only change myself.

What I'm seeing here in this thread is a, "if you're not with me, you're against me" mentality. So if anyone makes a comment to or about Charles that isn't negative they're gonna be blacklisted? That's a bit much. If you don't like Charles, put him on ignore. I remember many racist comments Charles has made in the past whether on this forum or OT or whatever. I can't tell you what they were exactly but I do remember instances. I don't agree with him in that respect but I don't hate him either. I have bigger things to worry about than to hate someone who made racist comments online.

It's not just about the racist comments, Moody. We all deal with that just about every day. It's the stalking that has us concerned -- and especially the continued attempts to dig up personal information. Anti-Muslim hatred is what compels him, but it's the manifestation into stalking that is a sign of something much more dangerous. And I don't see this type of activity from any of the other avowed "anti-Muslim" posters here.

I hope you are not accusing me of having a "either with me or against me" mentality. I don't play that game. I call 'em as I see 'em, and a disagreement certainly does not turn someone into my "enemy."

[Bosco 1]

Jenn,

I have been disturbed by him ever since the incident. At that time, I didn't chat with many people and frankly found it astonishing that no one seemed to care. I felt like you were only letting it slide because everyone else seemed fine with him. When I started chatting with more people recently, I realized that many felt the same way and had been under the same assumption that others were not bothered so no one was speaking up. I think others didn't speak up because frankly they think he is unstable and don't know where it could lead.

I think you handled this stoically. People may think it is dramatic, but WOM is absolutely right when she says it can lead to other things.

Rebecca