High Risk Countries! Submission of more Relationship Evidence at NVC stage!!!

[NigeriaorBust 4,087]

Ok just wanted to point out that not everyone from Nigeria is a scammer and I find it a bit disheartening that you choose to even go there in a place where people come to for help through a very daunting process

Actually I am an advocate of lie detectors for the highest fraud consulates. Forget the packaging up a pile of evidence and wishing for luck. Give the applicant a lie dector test and issue depndning on the results. It would cut down on the number of crushed and dumped middle aged USC's and the number of Nigerians abusing the systems to help others get here. It wouild also end the false denials. Simple accuate and it would cut down the wait time because the scammers would quickly hear they have to pass a real test not just send in a 10 pound package and apply less often. I go there because I know what is going on and I don't feel any need to pretend it isn't going on.

[Johnnoskinner 7]

Which Countries are in the category High Risk Countries and why they are in that category

[shadowflex 8]

Hi all, I have read all your comments and i quite agree with all of you. Basically we all have different vantage points. It is important to mention that most fraudulent Green card seeking guys come out here to fashion themselves with ideas on how to go about it. It is equally important to point out that there are a lot of innocent guys who through this forum have received help to get together with their loved ones. One thing is, you cannot close your eyes completely because you detest the sight of bad guys, if you do so, you risk not seeing good guys too.

I think NVC is another opportunity to add more documents you feel can strengthen your case most especially when it is going to high risk countries (West Africa, East Africa, India and maybe China...list not exhaustive), and also if you have found lots of Red Flags in your application ( Age difference, Nationality, Meeting the Parents/Previous visit...list not also exhaustive).

It is a lot better to RISK adding more COGENT documents and maybe a relationship timeline (as someone suggested) to give an overview of your case and a ready made impression on the CO. I used the word RISK because, of course, some CO's may find a lorry load of documents offensive and somewhat suspicious. You don't want to submit a rim of paper to a CO who happens to be a member of "SAVE THE TREES" society!

So i will go ahead and add the relevant documents. In my own case, Petitioner and Beneficiary are both Nigerian born, been friends/dating for 9 yrs before petitioner became LPR, been married for 4 months.

Above all, thank you all for your comments.

Cheers

[simmus0000 4]

In my case, we sent our marriage certificate together with the i-130 and for supporting evidence we included our children's birth certificates.

For the NVC stage, we just sent the affidavit of support documents and my (beneficiary) civil documents.

For the interview I will bring family/wedding pictures, money remittance receipts, chat/email conversations and Skype video call logs/screenshots.

Hey apple i got a problem. I have every proof u mentioned in your quote. The real problem is i got married twice with the same person. I mean Court Marriage on 17th January and coz of some people saying US doesnt gives much priority to Court marriage thats why while Court Marriage process was going on, we married according to Nepali culture on 10th January. According to rule in Nepal abt Court Marriage the process takes around 16-18 days. We submitted the Certificate of Court Marriage to USCIS and it got approved aswel. As a proof should we show the photos and videos of our mariage ceremony held in 10th January? The date is printed in photos n videos....

In my case, we sent our marriage certificate together with the i-130 and for supporting evidence we included our children's birth certificates.

For the NVC stage, we just sent the affidavit of support documents and my (beneficiary) civil documents.

For the interview I will bring family/wedding pictures, money remittance receipts, chat/email conversations and Skype video call logs/screenshots.

Hey apple i got a problem. I have every proof u mentioned in your quote. The real problem is i got married twice with the same person. I mean Court Marriage on 17th January and coz of some people saying US doesnt gives much priority to Court marriage thats why while Court Marriage process was going on, we married according to Nepali culture on 10th January. According to rule in Nepal abt Court Marriage the process takes around 16-18 days. We submitted the Certificate of Court Marriage to USCIS and it got approved aswel. As a proof should we show the photos and videos of our mariage ceremony held in 10th January? The date is printed in photos n videos....

In my case, we sent our marriage certificate together with the i-130 and for supporting evidence we included our children's birth certificates.

For the NVC stage, we just sent the affidavit of support documents and my (beneficiary) civil documents.

For the interview I will bring family/wedding pictures, money remittance receipts, chat/email conversations and Skype video call logs/screenshots.

Hey apple i got a problem. I have every proof u mentioned in your quote. The real problem is i got married twice with the same person. I mean Court Marriage on 17th January and coz of some people saying US doesnt gives much priority to Court marriage thats why while Court Marriage process was going on, we married according to Nepali culture on 10th January. According to rule in Nepal abt Court Marriage the process takes around 16-18 days. We submitted the Certificate of Court Marriage to USCIS and it got approved aswel. As a proof should we show the photos and videos of our mariage ceremony held in 10th January? The date is printed in photos n videos....

[dwheels76 5,468]

Hey apple i got a problem. I have every proof u mentioned in your quote. The real problem is i got married twice with the same person. I mean Court Marriage on 17th January and coz of some people saying US doesnt gives much priority to Court marriage thats why while Court Marriage process was going on, we married according to Nepali culture on 10th January. According to rule in Nepal abt Court Marriage the process takes around 16-18 days. We submitted the Certificate of Court Marriage to USCIS and it got approved aswel. As a proof should we show the photos and videos of our mariage ceremony held in 10th January? The date is printed in photos n videos....

No videos would be allowed. You arent showing proof of wedding or marriage your certoficate proves that. You are sowing prrof of a bonafide relationship. Tats what all the chats and IM's and ongoing communications, visits, pics with family and friends are for.

The reason we are discussing this is because many have not be able to show anything at interview. You have to know the interview at best is 20 minutes. The CO isn't reading evidence then. They already did their homework the weeks prior to prepare. Just like you preparing for that upcoming job interview.

So we are discussing get your best evidence into the CO's hands to help them render a positive decision. Too many wait until interview thinking a CO is going to wade through piles and albums of stuff. They already know one way or another to deny or approve.

[Delboy 6]

Hi all,

"Front loading" is a phrase i have come across a lot of times on VJ. It basically means submitting so many relationship documents at the petition submission stage. (I-130) as opposed to taking them with you on the interview day. For example, email logs, chat logs, phone call logs , wedding pictures, etc

"High Risk Countries" are supposed to be countries with high risk of fraud. Countries like Nigeria and other west and east African countries. Someone mentioned China, India and Vietnam too.

"Red Flag" is another phrase i have seen which means suspicion of spurious relationship between the petitioner and beneficiary. High indicators can be Age difference, racial difference, number of visit times and the list goes on and on.

I have been reading a lot about this front loading theories. Sadly we didn't submit much with the I-130, only copy of marriage certificate, change of name notification, 3 wedding pictures with both set of parents and that's all. We did not put chat logs, phone logs or email logs, even though we have 3 years Phone, Facebook and Skype logs. Just did not think it fit to put them. Now the petition is at NVC and we are about to send in the AOS package, do you think it would be awkward to send relationship evidence at this stage?

I do not think we have any red flag as the age difference is 5yrs, beneficiary is Nigerian, petitioner is a Nigerian with US LPR and has visited Nigeria 3 times in 3yrs. The only thing that may raise flags is lack of relationship evidence in my own opinion. What do you make of it? Do we go ahead and put this evidence at NVC stage?

Thanks for your anticipated comments.

Cheers!

To be honest High risk Countries are judged on a higher bench mark but only at the consulate level. Sending too much information with your I-130 will not help you if not relevant. At this stage they are only trying to establish that you are entitle to an immigration benefit. Just submit what is required to establish the relationship and that you or your spouse is entitle to an immigration benefit according to US immigration law. If you have a legit relationship then you will have your day in the embassy just be honest and truthful if your relationship is legit you have nothing to worry about.

[jckay 4]

Can time of visit count as proof of bona fide relationship. She visited 9 times which I wrote on the IV form and I visited twice. We visited Nigeria twice together as well ..Does anyone think they will have information about all those visits.

[NigeriaorBust 4,087]

With Nigeria it is recommended that you spend at least 30 days in country in not less than 2 trips. Also you should make at least one trip to the home compound. It is easy for a scammer to hide a wife and kids if you spend those 30 days in a hotel. If you showed passport stamps they know you were there , They don't know if the time was spent together or a hotel.

[Ryan H 3,812]

***Since this thread is primarily about submission of documents to the NVC, I am moving it from Bringing Family Members of Permanent Residents to America forum to NVC forum.***

Edited December 14, 2013 by Ryan H

[jckay 4]

Nevermind everyone, I just worried without reason, she's not even having interview in Nigeria... she's having it in UK

[del-2-5-2014 1,339]

Nevermind everyone, I just worried without reason, she's not even having interview in Nigeria... she's having it in UK

If she's carrying a Nigerian passport then it's a reason.

Do more readings. You can actually learn a lot by searching and reading the forums without asking any questions.

YMMV.

[Darnell 8,478]

Hi all,

"Front loading" is a phrase i have come across a lot of times on VJ. It basically means submitting so many relationship documents at the petition submission stage. (I-130) as opposed to taking them with you on the interview day. For example, email logs, chat logs, phone call logs , wedding pictures, etc

"High Risk Countries" are supposed to be countries with high risk of fraud. Countries like Nigeria and other west and east African countries. Someone mentioned China, India and Vietnam too.

"Red Flag" is another phrase i have seen which means suspicion of spurious relationship between the petitioner and beneficiary. High indicators can be Age difference, racial difference, number of visit times and the list goes on and on.

I have been reading a lot about this front loading theories. Sadly we didn't submit much with the I-130, only copy of marriage certificate, change of name notification, 3 wedding pictures with both set of parents and that's all. We did not put chat logs, phone logs or email logs, even though we have 3 years Phone, Facebook and Skype logs. Just did not think it fit to put them. Now the petition is at NVC and we are about to send in the AOS package, do you think it would be awkward to send relationship evidence at this stage?

I do not think we have any red flag as the age difference is 5yrs, beneficiary is Nigerian, petitioner is a Nigerian with US LPR and has visited Nigeria 3 times in 3yrs. The only thing that may raise flags is lack of relationship evidence in my own opinion. What do you make of it? Do we go ahead and put this evidence at NVC stage?

Thanks for your anticipated comments.

Cheers!

I say submit the additional evidence that you've accumulated

with the civil docs

as part of the IV submittal, not the AOS submittal as you originally thought.

Edited December 14, 2013 by Darnell

[Darnell 8,478]

Can time of visit count as proof of bona fide relationship. She visited 9 times which I wrote on the IV form and I visited twice. We visited Nigeria twice together as well ..Does anyone think they will have information about all those visits.

You should document the visits and include this stuff with a submittal into NVC, along with the civil docs, as part of the IV set.

[jckay 4]

You should document the visits and include this stuff with a submittal into NVC, along with the civil docs, as part of the IV set.

What if I already sent the documents to NVC can I add more documents by sending them separately?

[Darnell 8,478]

What if I already sent the documents to NVC can I add more documents by sending them separately?

absolutely !

include :

1. IV Coversheet from the payment portal

2. cover letter stating you want this pile of evidence added to the casefile and

3. list of stuff in that cover letter, on what yer including, a mini-table-o-contents.

Best to get it sent out prior to the case-complete timetick.

Edited December 15, 2013 by Darnell