Does all of this waiting make since??

[Pam&Mbaye 0]

I know I shouldn't complain and I know there are a number of people who have waited to be with their loved one longer then I have, but despite knowing all of this, I must say I am quite disgusted and depressed by this whole immigration process. I do believe the immigration process is a process to discourage people from marrying people from other countries and thereby stopping people from immigrating to the USA. Although I have read in other posts that the people at the NVC have been helpful, it makes me wonder who the heck were they talking too? I have gotten nothing but vague answers or downright lies. An example, that automatic voice response telling the lie that a fee bill has been mailed and three weeks later after talking to a customer service rep, I get a response that the fee bill was mailed yesterday and not three weeks ago. Or how about the amount of time it takes to process paperwork you overnighted but does not get processed 3 or 4 weeks later. My theory is...half the time this stuff sits on somebody's desk who doesn't give a rat's bottom that people are seperated from one another. Oh yeah and is it asking to much to include a fee bill with the paperwork that you need to fill out to keep the process moving? What is this pay a fee, we send you the paperwork and holding the barcode hostage until they receive the money? It's real simple, if the fee isn't paid, then don't process the paperwork. Oh but then again if the NVC should happen to do their job in a timely manner or equip applicants with the information they need to speed things along then some government workers would be out of a job.

Now I feel much better now that I have gotten that off of my chest!

[arwensun1965 1]

At least you feel a little better now, and no, sometimes it feels that nothing makes sense.

[Being me 0]

Cheer Up ! .. Usually after you sent your DS 230 I ..The NVC will review your case ..about month. It seems very closly to complete for your case ..Keep youe patient .. After that the NVC will send your case's document to the local consulate to processing your interview date ...

Try to Cheer Up your self ! ..

[edsperfect 25]

Cheer Up ! .. Usually after you sent your DS 230 I ..The NVC will review your case ..about month. It seems very closly to complete for your case ..Keep youe patient .. After that the NVC will send your case's document to the local consulate to processing your interview date ...

Try to Cheer Up your self ! ..

Actually all the things you consider to be time consumin, frivilous etc, etc have been brought upon us y many who have preceeded us in the immigration process. Those that have tried to take shortcuts, tried to cheat the system, didn't tell thier prospective spouse they were convicted of manslaughter for killing thier previous wife or husband, worked without permission and were caught and on and on and on.

No one seems to have patience anymore. It is all about self satisfaction now.

o anyway, don't blame immigrations, blame those that went through the system before us and because of their actions you now have all the proceedures in place because ofthem. Of course, as time goes on and more people try to berat the system more procedures and further delays will b built in.

[KingMedusa 0]

I know I shouldn't complain and I know there are a number of people who have waited to be with their loved one longer then I have, but despite knowing all of this, I must say I am quite disgusted and depressed by this whole immigration process. I do believe the immigration process is a process to discourage people from marrying people from other countries and thereby stopping people from immigrating to the USA. Although I have read in other posts that the people at the NVC have been helpful, it makes me wonder who the heck were they talking too? I have gotten nothing but vague answers or downright lies. An example, that automatic voice response telling the lie that a fee bill has been mailed and three weeks later after talking to a customer service rep, I get a response that the fee bill was mailed yesterday and not three weeks ago. Or how about the amount of time it takes to process paperwork you overnighted but does not get processed 3 or 4 weeks later. My theory is...half the time this stuff sits on somebody's desk who doesn't give a rat's bottom that people are seperated from one another. Oh yeah and is it asking to much to include a fee bill with the paperwork that you need to fill out to keep the process moving? What is this pay a fee, we send you the paperwork and holding the barcode hostage until they receive the money? It's real simple, if the fee isn't paid, then don't process the paperwork. Oh but then again if the NVC should happen to do their job in a timely manner or equip applicants with the information they need to speed things along then some government workers would be out of a job.

Now I feel much better now that I have gotten that off of my chest!

I share your anguish. You have not even gotten to the frustrating part yet. I've been waiting for six months for my family's appointment date. I'm so frustrated I've decided not to call the NVC anymore. They can do what they want. I don't care anymore. So, you're not alone. Worse situation here.

[Pam&Mbaye 0]

No one seems to have patience anymore. It is all about self satisfaction now.

o anyway, don't blame immigrations, blame those that went through the system before us and because of their actions you now have all the proceedures in place because ofthem. Of course, as time goes on and more people try to berat the system more procedures and further delays will b built in.

Well, some may choose wanting to be with your loved one self-satisfaction, and maybe it is. However, I don't see what is wrong with wanting to be with the person you are married to and for others it may be their fiance. I don't believe that to be self-satisfaction, what I see it as is what should be normal. And no I don't have patience in wanting to be with my husband however, there is nothing I can do about that at this point.

You are right in saying that alot of this process can be attributed to those who try to beat the system, however sending a fee bill first before sending the paperwork after the receipt of the money seem a complete waste of time. Why not kill two birds with one stone, send the fee bill and the paperwork together, that would shave off a few weeks for sure. Also, and oh by the way, I just found out that they won't be sending the paperwork but will have you download the forms yourself and then you send the paperwork that has the barcode back with the form you downloaded off the internet. So I do blame immigration for this portion of the wait. It's called barcode hostaging

I'm taking deep breaths and waiting to exhale over here. Let's just say I am not holding my breath for immigration to change. As you said in your post: " as time goes on and more people try to beat the system more procedures and further delays will be built in"

I hope my case will be complete before more procedures are added so I can get back to living a normal life which does not include waiting for word from immigration.

[alix 20]

I think that unfortunately we now pay for what other have done in the past. I believe that it's harder now than it's ever been to get a family based visa. Do I think it's fair? Heck NO!

I don't agree with all you say but I understand your anguish. I was away from my husband for 4 months while waiting for my visa, and the process took 11 months altogether. It was horrible to be away from him for so long. My life was suddenly put on hold. And nothing will give me this time back. I just think it's just too childish to think that your paperwork is sitting somewhere and no one cares. The USCIS and the NVC deal with hundreds of thousands of applications every year. Probably hundreds a day. Erros and mistakes happen. Consulates and embassies are also overwhelmed with visa requests. And they work on a first come first serve basis. They have their hands full, believe me! Also, immigration is never a walk in the park, no matter where you go. There's bureaucracy and waste of time/money everywhere you go.

Anyways, I really hope your process is over quickly. Just try to look at the big picture...soon you'll be with your loved husband and this painful time will be part of the past. Good luck!

[mmmbop1976 1]

good thing you didn't apply few years back when it took much longer to process a spousal visa. there are other things done by nvc other than just process your paperwork, they do background checks, security checks, etc, because let's face it, some people try to use marriage as a convenient way to get into this great country. as far as the paying of fees before paperwork is generated, well, probably if they sent it all together there would be many people that would return the paperwork w/o payment, or with the wrong type of payment, but then bother nvc to process their paperwork while they get the proper payment and send it in. this way is much less headaches and keeps the system moving more steadily. if your concerned with the processing time, learn and use james shortcuts, it will save u a little time. so relax, welcome to the club, you're not alone. the wait will be worth it

[Looking4Wife 0]

Also, immigration is never a walk in the park, no matter where you go. There's bureaucracy and waste of time/money everywhere you go.

Not true... My wife is Colombian. Her Colombian friend is marrying a guy from the UK. They will marry and receive her visa 2 days later.

Immigration really isn't that hard... the USA makes it hard as if its rocket science. In fact, being an engineer I can tell you that rocket science is a heckuva lot less complex than the convoluted USA immigration process.

Anway... Alix, enjoyed your "old fashioned" proposal in your signature. Good luck with your immigration.

[Looking4Wife 0]

I know I shouldn't complain and I know there are a number of people who have waited to be with their loved one longer then I have, but despite knowing all of this, I must say I am quite disgusted and depressed by this whole immigration process. I do believe the immigration process is a process to discourage people from marrying people from other countries and thereby stopping people from immigrating to the USA. Although I have read in other posts that the people at the NVC have been helpful, it makes me wonder who the heck were they talking too? I have gotten nothing but vague answers or downright lies. An example, that automatic voice response telling the lie that a fee bill has been mailed and three weeks later after talking to a customer service rep, I get a response that the fee bill was mailed yesterday and not three weeks ago. Or how about the amount of time it takes to process paperwork you overnighted but does not get processed 3 or 4 weeks later. My theory is...half the time this stuff sits on somebody's desk who doesn't give a rat's bottom that people are seperated from one another. Oh yeah and is it asking to much to include a fee bill with the paperwork that you need to fill out to keep the process moving? What is this pay a fee, we send you the paperwork and holding the barcode hostage until they receive the money? It's real simple, if the fee isn't paid, then don't process the paperwork. Oh but then again if the NVC should happen to do their job in a timely manner or equip applicants with the information they need to speed things along then some government workers would be out of a job.

Now I feel much better now that I have gotten that off of my chest!

Pam&Mbaye:

I feel EXACTLY the same way... its almost as though you took the words right out of my mouth concerning this business of "is it asking to much to include a fee bill with the paperwork that you need to fill out to keep the process moving?"

In fact, since all the forms are online anyway, why don't we simply just send in EVERYTHING FULLY paid. Its really not that complex. As Albert Einstein said, "things should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler".

Of course folks will say they are backlogged, but poorly designed, inefficient processes create backlogs by default. The system is DESIGNED TO BACKLOG.

Anytime you want to complain about immigration, feel free to send me a message!

Nevertheless, we need to stay encouraged! At least during the NVC portion of this process is more "interactive" so you feel like "something" is happening. Waiting for the USCIS service centers for NOA1 and NOA2 was an excruciatlingly lonely, silent, and non-responsive process. At least NVC communicates every now and then by mail.

[Looking4Wife 0]

No one seems to have patience anymore. It is all about self satisfaction now.

As much as we hate to admit it, because we've been brainwashed to the contrary... OF COURSE a marriage based on romantic love IS about self-satisfaction.

What else WOULD it be about? Does anyone get married for the OPPOSITE... to punish themselves to living the rest of their lives with someone they KNOW will make them unhappy? Is anyone's TRUE desire simply to SETTLE for someone that "will do in pinch"? NO!

We (want to) marry someone who makes us HAPPY! We (want to) marry someone who makes us feel FANTASTIC!

In fact, in a healthy marriage, making our spouse happy gives us EVEN MORE happiness... so even that is a form of self-satisfaction.

The beauty of wonderful marriages is that 2 people can come together with love, attraction, compatibility, and willingness to meet each others emotional needs... so much so that they are dedicated to making the OTHER person happy ALSO for the rest of their lives.

"Self-satisfaction" is NOT a dirty word, especially when we derive "self-satifaction" by enriching the lives of others (our spouses, friends, co-workers, the world in general).

There's nothing wrong with wanting to be happy, and there's nothing wrong with wanting to be happy... NOW

[alohaspirit 0]

Blame it on the backlogs.

[SoL. 0]

Yes, this process can be long and depressing sometimes, but it's worth it at the end. Believe it or not, I think they do us a favor with the evidence they ask for, specially when I have seen situations here @ VJ where it was found that the beneficiary was either still married or had not passed the background check and had some past baggage. Long distance relationships are hard because we miss our sweet other, but also because sometimes we are not aware of the whole picture.

I just got used to the waiting on this process knowing that there's going to be better soon and we did the right thing. Hang in there, once you are with your SO, it will be worth the wait.

Good luck and wish you a speedy process!!!

edi

[substance 0]

Immigration people could pay less attention to DY (lottery) guys and give piority to family based visas. About 55 000 people get greencards through lottery, that means about over 100 000 people in immigration process each year. then the INS narrow that number down, eleminating half of them through the process. That is a big number. And guess what? they have the piority. I know many people who won the lottery and they got their interview in less than 1 year. I can tell you the numbers for my embassy. Last year about 5000 people got greencard from Ankara and 1200 of them were DV guys. If there was no lottery or at least they had the least piority, things would be faster by 30 % or so. I am not saying they should stop the DV. but they should reconsider who got to get the visa first.

well someone above said they deal with 100s of paperwork everyday...Ok we all know that... They can ask for higher fees and hire more people to get things going. and i am sure no one would mind high fees if they knew they could get the visa in matter of weeks , not months.

as someone else above states, for Uk it takes couple days. Yes it is correct. The Us immigration is the slowest, takes months . the second slowest country it takes weeks. My wifes brother works in administrative business. he says all this work takes about 1 hour. well the thread starter said the papers sit on the desk half the time.....she is wrong. they sit on the desk all the time......this complete process is no longer than half day of work, everything included. thats how UK guys handle immigrations matters in 2 days.

there was thread about this and there was some serious facts. It was announced that US goverment will not pay a penny for the immigration. So that the fees we pay should cover our expenses. and when you do the math......170 dollars for I 130......350 IV bill....70 dollars AOS bill.....total of 590 dollars. in this kind of business and their hourly wages.....how many hours do you think 590 dollars can buy? the answer is how much work they put in to your case in all this 10+ process... that simple!!!

its definitely discouraging US people from marrying foreign people. Longer it takes, less people will do it.

[Pam&Mbaye 0]

All,

Thank you much for your thoughts and comments. The good thing about this forum is that you can voice your opinion and people will respect it and give you the lattitude to voice your frustrations and encourage you to hang in there. When I talked to my husband by phone I told him about the great group of people on this forum. I tell you right now if it wasn't for this forum I believe I would be going crazy

Looking 4 Wife, I will take you up on that offer for sure

Thanks again all, everyone of you are the BEST