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Filed: Citizen (pnd) Country: Canada
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So long story short, due to some work issues, my husband may need to return to the US before I do. Is it possible for him to land successfully if I am not there with him? I keep getting mixed answers.. does anyone have any experience with this? Thanks.

Met in Canada, both moved to South Korea to be teachers! ❤️

CR1: Direct Consular Filing: Seoul, South Korea Married in Seoul, April 2013

Filed I-130 in person, Seoul Consulate: 06/11/2013

NOA 2/Packet 3 Instructions via email: 07/03/2013 (22 days!)

Medical: 10/5/2013 - Received results via regular post 10/14

Interview: 10/24/2013

VISA ARRIVED 10/31/2013

POE Peace Bridge: 01/06/14

SSN Arrived in Mail: 01/13/14

Green Card Arrival: 2/20/14

 

Lifting conditions on CR-1 Vermont Service Center

I-751 Mailed: 10/24/2015

NOA Received: 10/31/2015

Biometrics: 11/25/2015

Conditions Removed: 10/01/16

New Green Card: 10/12/2016

 

Naturalization: Online

N-400 Submitted: 08/26/19 

Biometrics: 09/05/19

Interview: ? 

Citizenship Test: 12/5/19

Approval: ?? 🙏

Swearing in Ceremony: ?

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No. As the US citizen petitioner you must either accompany him or arrive back in the US first: http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants/types/types_2991.html

"When traveling, the primary (or principal) applicant must enter the United States before or at the same time as family members holding visas."

Primary applicant = petitioner.

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Day 0 (4/23/12) Petitions mailed (I-360, I-485, I-765)
2 (4/25/12) Petitions delivered to Chicago Lockbox
11 (5/3/12) Received 3 paper NOAs
13 (5/5/12) Received biometrics appointment for 5/23
15 (5/7/12) Did an unpleasant walk-in biometrics in Fort Worth, TX
45 (6/7/12) Received email & text notification of an interview on 7/10
67 (6/29/12) EAD production ordered
77 (7/9/12) Received EAD
78 (7/10/12) Interview
100 (8/1/12) I-485 transferred to Vermont Service Centre
143 (9/13/12) Contacted DHS Ombudsman
268 (1/16/13) I-360, I-485 consolidated and transferred to Dallas
299 (2/16/13) Received second interview letter for 3/8
319 (3/8/13) Approved at interview
345 (4/3/13) I-360, I-485 formally approved; green card production ordered
353 (4/11/13) Received green card

 

Naturalisation

Day 0 (1/3/18) N-400 filed online

Day 6 (1/9/18) Walk-in biometrics in Fort Worth, TX

Day 341 (12/10/18) Interview was scheduled for 1/14/19

Day 376 (1/14/19) Interview

Day 385 (1/23/19) Denied

Day 400 (2/7/19) Denial revoked; N-400 approved; oath ceremony set for 2/14/19

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Filed: Citizen (pnd) Country: Canada
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The primary applicant is the petitioner? On all of the forms the primary applicant was my husband, who is the only applicant. I'm the US citizen.

Met in Canada, both moved to South Korea to be teachers! ❤️

CR1: Direct Consular Filing: Seoul, South Korea Married in Seoul, April 2013

Filed I-130 in person, Seoul Consulate: 06/11/2013

NOA 2/Packet 3 Instructions via email: 07/03/2013 (22 days!)

Medical: 10/5/2013 - Received results via regular post 10/14

Interview: 10/24/2013

VISA ARRIVED 10/31/2013

POE Peace Bridge: 01/06/14

SSN Arrived in Mail: 01/13/14

Green Card Arrival: 2/20/14

 

Lifting conditions on CR-1 Vermont Service Center

I-751 Mailed: 10/24/2015

NOA Received: 10/31/2015

Biometrics: 11/25/2015

Conditions Removed: 10/01/16

New Green Card: 10/12/2016

 

Naturalization: Online

N-400 Submitted: 08/26/19 

Biometrics: 09/05/19

Interview: ? 

Citizenship Test: 12/5/19

Approval: ?? 🙏

Swearing in Ceremony: ?

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I believe that sentence refers to you, although maybe it means principle applicant and derivatives.

Edited by Hypnos

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AoS

Day 0 (4/23/12) Petitions mailed (I-360, I-485, I-765)
2 (4/25/12) Petitions delivered to Chicago Lockbox
11 (5/3/12) Received 3 paper NOAs
13 (5/5/12) Received biometrics appointment for 5/23
15 (5/7/12) Did an unpleasant walk-in biometrics in Fort Worth, TX
45 (6/7/12) Received email & text notification of an interview on 7/10
67 (6/29/12) EAD production ordered
77 (7/9/12) Received EAD
78 (7/10/12) Interview
100 (8/1/12) I-485 transferred to Vermont Service Centre
143 (9/13/12) Contacted DHS Ombudsman
268 (1/16/13) I-360, I-485 consolidated and transferred to Dallas
299 (2/16/13) Received second interview letter for 3/8
319 (3/8/13) Approved at interview
345 (4/3/13) I-360, I-485 formally approved; green card production ordered
353 (4/11/13) Received green card

 

Naturalisation

Day 0 (1/3/18) N-400 filed online

Day 6 (1/9/18) Walk-in biometrics in Fort Worth, TX

Day 341 (12/10/18) Interview was scheduled for 1/14/19

Day 376 (1/14/19) Interview

Day 385 (1/23/19) Denied

Day 400 (2/7/19) Denial revoked; N-400 approved; oath ceremony set for 2/14/19

Day 407 (2/14/19) Oath ceremony in Dallas, TX

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I've always understood that to mean the sponsoring USC must be in the US ahead of, or with, the entering immigrant at first POE.

I have no idea how they'd tell at POE, however.

* I-130/CR-1 visa by Direct Consular Filing in London
3rd May 2013 - Married in London

7th May 2013 - I-130 filed
4th June 2013 - NOA2 (approved)
16th July 2013 - Interview (approved)
30th July 2013 - POE San Francisco
29th August 2013 - 2 year green card arrived

 

* How? Read my DCF London I-130 for CR1/IR1 Spouse Guide

* Removal of Conditions (RoC) via California Service Centre
1st May 2015 - 90 day RoC window opened
6th May 2015 - I-751 filed (delivered 8th May, cheque cashed 18th May)
7th August 2015 - Approved / GC production

27th August 2015 - 10 year green card arrived

* Naturalisation (Citizenship) via Phoenix Lockbox

* San Francisco Field Office:
1st May 2016 - N-400 window opened
20th August 2016 - N-400 filed

26th August 2016 - NOA1
13th September 2016 - Biometrics

12th January 2017 - Biometrics (again)
30th May 2017 - Interview (approved)
7th June 2017 - Oath

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Filed: Citizen (pnd) Country: Canada
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Thanks, I might email the embassy and ask.

Met in Canada, both moved to South Korea to be teachers! ❤️

CR1: Direct Consular Filing: Seoul, South Korea Married in Seoul, April 2013

Filed I-130 in person, Seoul Consulate: 06/11/2013

NOA 2/Packet 3 Instructions via email: 07/03/2013 (22 days!)

Medical: 10/5/2013 - Received results via regular post 10/14

Interview: 10/24/2013

VISA ARRIVED 10/31/2013

POE Peace Bridge: 01/06/14

SSN Arrived in Mail: 01/13/14

Green Card Arrival: 2/20/14

 

Lifting conditions on CR-1 Vermont Service Center

I-751 Mailed: 10/24/2015

NOA Received: 10/31/2015

Biometrics: 11/25/2015

Conditions Removed: 10/01/16

New Green Card: 10/12/2016

 

Naturalization: Online

N-400 Submitted: 08/26/19 

Biometrics: 09/05/19

Interview: ? 

Citizenship Test: 12/5/19

Approval: ?? 🙏

Swearing in Ceremony: ?

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I've always understood that to mean the sponsoring USC must be in the US ahead of, or with, the entering immigrant at first POE.

I have no idea how they'd tell at POE, however.

Would take some pretty big balls to blag that one....

I can envisage them potentially checking the US spouse's passport number for entry dates (a photocopy of my wifes US passport was in my package from DCF, so the number was there if they wanted to).

CR1 / DCF (London): 2012 / 2013 (4 months from I-130 petition to visa in hand)

I-751 #1- April 2015 [Denied]

 

April 2015 : I-751 Joint filing package sent fedex next day 09:00am from UK ($lots - thanks). 
Jan 2017: Notification that an interview has been scheduled at a local office. Bizarrely still no RFE... 
Jan 2017: 2hr wait, then interview terminated before it began, due to moving my ID to another state 2 wks prior. New interview 'in a few months...maybe.'   Informed them that divorce proceedings are underway, but not finalised at this time. 
March 2017: An Interview was scheduled - marked as no-show as they didn't actually send out a notification of interview. FML 
April  2017: Filed an official complaint with the ombudsman, and have requested Senator & Congressman assistance
August 2017: Interview - switched to a (finalised) divorce waiver. Told that decision will be made that afternoon, but no problems foreseen with my case. 
October 2017: Letter of Denial received - reason given as 'I-751 petition was not properly filed'. Discovered ex-spouse made false allegations to USCIS in 2015. No opportunity given to review & refute allegations  - contrary to USCIS policy.

I-751 #2 - Oct 2017 - Mar 2021[Denied] 

 

October 2017: Within 72hrs of receiving denial notice, a new waiver I-751, divorce decree & $680 cheque, sent to Vermont via FedEx overnight 9am priority.  
Dec 2019: Filed FOIA request for full A# file
Feb 2020: FOIA request completed - entire A# file received as a .PDF; 197 pages fully redacted, and 80 partially redacted. Don't waste your time!
March 2021: I-751 #2 denied for lack of evidence. No RFE, no interview, and evidence in previous I-751 not reviewed - contrary to policy. Huge errors in adjudication.

N-400 - Feb 2018 - Apr 2021 [Denied]

 

February 2018: N-400 filed online.  $725 paid to the USCIS paperwork wastage fund

February  2019: Interview - cancelled after a four hour wait due to 'missing paperwork' on their end. Promised Expedited reschedule.

March 2021: Interview letter received, strangely dated after I-751 denial. No I-751 interview conducted. N-400 interview and test passed, given 'cannot make a decision at this time' paper due to the ongoing I-751 nightmare...

April 2021: N-400 denial received citing recent I-751 denial as basis for ineligibility, even though it should have been a combo interview 🤯

I AM JACK'S COMPLETE LACK OF SURPRISE

Service Motion - March 2021 [Sent via FedEx & COMPLETELY IGNORED by USCIS]

 

March 2021: Service Motion request sent overnight addressed direectly to field office director, requesting urgent review and re-opening, based on errors in adjudication - citing USCIS policy, AFM and memorandums as basis for errors. This was completely ignored by USCIS.

 I-751 #3 - June 2021 - Jan 2024 [Denied]

 

IT'S GROUNDHOG DAY

June 2021: I-751 #3 (30+lbs/5000 pages of paperwork) & another $680 sent to USCIS via FedEx ($300+..thanks) .... 

June 2021: Receipt issued, card charged, biometrics waived, infopass scheduled for I-551 stamp number ten.....

Feb 2022: RFIE (no, not an RFE, a Request For Initial Evidence) received, for copies of the divorce paperwork that they already have 😑

July 2022: Infopass for I-551 stamp number eleven.....

August 2023: Infopass for I-551 stamp number twelve....

January 2024: Denial received, ignoring the overwhelming majority of the filing, abundance of evidence, and refutation of a provably false allegation. The denial also contradicts itself in multiple places, as if it was written by someone with an IQ <50.

HAPPY NEW YEAR

 

2024: FML. Seriously. I'm done. 

 

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Would take some pretty big balls to blag that one....

I can envisage them potentially checking the US spouse's passport number for entry dates (a photocopy of my wifes US passport was in my package from DCF, so the number was there if they wanted to).

Sure. I wasnt suggesting a blag. I just dont know that they are bothering to check (my husband travelled with me when I POEd, so don't know if they are required to ask).

* I-130/CR-1 visa by Direct Consular Filing in London
3rd May 2013 - Married in London

7th May 2013 - I-130 filed
4th June 2013 - NOA2 (approved)
16th July 2013 - Interview (approved)
30th July 2013 - POE San Francisco
29th August 2013 - 2 year green card arrived

 

* How? Read my DCF London I-130 for CR1/IR1 Spouse Guide

* Removal of Conditions (RoC) via California Service Centre
1st May 2015 - 90 day RoC window opened
6th May 2015 - I-751 filed (delivered 8th May, cheque cashed 18th May)
7th August 2015 - Approved / GC production

27th August 2015 - 10 year green card arrived

* Naturalisation (Citizenship) via Phoenix Lockbox

* San Francisco Field Office:
1st May 2016 - N-400 window opened
20th August 2016 - N-400 filed

26th August 2016 - NOA1
13th September 2016 - Biometrics

12th January 2017 - Biometrics (again)
30th May 2017 - Interview (approved)
7th June 2017 - Oath

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Filed: Country: Vietnam (no flag)
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Two different issues that are getting mixed up.

Rule 1. The principal beneficiary must always enter before or at the same time as the derivative beneficiaries.

Rule 2. The petitioner spouse must enter before or at the same time to establish a domicile in order for the immigrant to enter. See the I-864 instructions on domicile.

There is no problem with Rule 1.

There is a problem with Rule 2 since the petitioner has not reestablish a US domicile. OP did a DCF in Seoul. On the I-864, she promised to reestablish a US domicile before her husband can be admitted as an immigrant.

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Filed: Country: Vietnam (no flag)
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No. As the US citizen petitioner you must either accompany him or arrive back in the US first: http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants/types/types_2991.html

"When traveling, the primary (or principal) applicant must enter the United States before or at the same time as family members holding visas."

Primary applicant = petitioner.

The primary applicant is the primary beneficiary. US citizens do not apply (as in applicant) for admission to the US.

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You need to enter and establish (re-establish) a residence before he can legally enter. The fact that you used DCF, and the IV packet information, will all show that the USC (you) was living outside the US at the time of visa processing. That essentially guarantees that your husband will be asked about your return to the US and the residence you have established.

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