Senate to HIV-Positive Immigrants: Go Home

[mybackpages 0]

Simple fact:

US Govt and DHS has to protect its citizens. Chances of HIV spreading are greater with the indiviual in a foreign land than if in US. Same with all other contagious disease.

If HIV positive is allowed to immigrate, the local healthcare system will have to pick up the tab. Tax payers money eventually.

Immigration is to allow the immigrants to contribute positively to the society so it becomes strong and wealthy. Unhealthy individuals will only make it more difficult for other immigrants and give them a bad eye.

Its a good law. USCIS tries to keep out criminals and terrorist who are danger to public safety so why not these people

Again no one is saying all HIV postive people whould be let in, only that they should be allowed access to a wavier like those convicted of a crime in the past.

By the way an immigrant with the flue is much more of a health risk than an HIV infected person. I don;t see US POE officials checking for the flu at entry.

The flu is more dangerous than HIV? Hokay then

If you are more likely to sit next to that person at a movie than you are to have unprotected sex with them 400 times, then they are more of a risk to you if their disease is flu.

People can recover from the flu. Don't be silly, now

Ever heard of a flu epidemic? Lots of people don't recover. Who is being silly now?

[doodlebug 3]

not for nuthin' but if someone is "undocumented"...how will they find them to be tested?

[Alex+R 0]

not for nuthin' but if someone is "undocumented"...how will they find them to be tested?

I think this is part of the whole amnesty plan to put some illegal immigrants on a path to permanent residency and citizenship. Those who test positive for HIV would not be allowed to stay. So they would have to remain undocumented or go home (or be deported if they learn of their HIV status during the gov't test, I suppose).

[peejay 327]

not for nuthin' but if someone is "undocumented"...how will they find them to be tested?

I think this is part of the whole amnesty plan to put some illegal immigrants on a path to permanent residency and citizenship. Those who test positive for HIV would not be allowed to stay. So they would have to remain undocumented or go home (or be deported if they learn of their HIV status during the gov't test, I suppose).

Or we could have attrition through enforcement. Amnesty didn't work in 1986 and it won't work now. The US government sets immigration quotas...not the illegal aliens themselves. They should wait in line like everybody else...not cut in line because they don't want to obey the law.

[Alex+R 0]

not for nuthin' but if someone is "undocumented"...how will they find them to be tested?

I think this is part of the whole amnesty plan to put some illegal immigrants on a path to permanent residency and citizenship. Those who test positive for HIV would not be allowed to stay. So they would have to remain undocumented or go home (or be deported if they learn of their HIV status during the gov't test, I suppose).

Or we could have attrition through enforcement. Amnesty didn't work in 1986 and it won't work now. The US government sets immigration quotas...not the illegal aliens themselves. They should wait in line like everybody else...not cut in line because they don't want to obey the law.

Ok, but I'm just explaining that this no-HIV policy was related to the amnesty bill. Let's not turn this into a generic immigration debate again

[kaydee457 13]

Well, I don't know where this topic skewed from a discussion of age difference to AIDS but frankly I don't care.

Well, I don't know how I posted to the wrong thread but I did.....I meant this to be in the "age difference thread".....

So sorry...First time this ever happened to me.

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[mybackpages 0]

Well, I don't know where this topic skewed from a discussion of age difference to AIDS but frankly I don't care.

Well, I don't know how I posted to the wrong thread but I did.....I meant this to be in the "age difference thread".....

So sorry...First time this ever happened to me.

<embarassed>

happens to the best of us

[peezey 0]

People with flu often know it and others know it and its not an incurable disease. Symptoms of HIV are not visible

Really? What's the cure for the flu? Because last time I looked, NIH & CDC decides which strain would be best to invest in millions of vaccinations each year. It's not incurable, and the vaccination system is a best-guess game.

More vulnerable people die from the flu in this country than AIDS (infants, elderly, those with concomitant illnessnes)

[peezey 0]

Even if they have insurance, which i doubt since before issuing a health policy most people have to give blood, the cost is horrendous. Quite frankly I may just be greedy but I dn't want to pay for the illegals ills, education, driver licenses and all the other expenses they cost this nation so we can have someone to pick lettuce or landscape te executives mansion.

I can only speak to California law, but your statement is false in CA. If an immigrant (or anyone) marries someone who is employed with a health plan, it is illegal to ask about any pre-existing conditions as a condition for providing insurance. I'd guess there are at least a few other states that have the same kind of law, but that's just a guess.

ETA: the person (immigrant) doesn't have to marry someone, either. If they gain employment and get insurance through that employer, the law applies in this situation as well.

Edited December 22, 2006 by peezey

[doodlebug 3]

Let's not forget the bird flu. That's a biggie. I just audited our disaster plan ( I work for a University with a med school and hospital attached) and trust me...it's no laughing matter.

[Alex+R 0]

Even if they have insurance, which i doubt since before issuing a health policy most people have to give blood, the cost is horrendous. Quite frankly I may just be greedy but I dn't want to pay for the illegals ills, education, driver licenses and all the other expenses they cost this nation so we can have someone to pick lettuce or landscape te executives mansion.

I can only speak to California law, but your statement is false in CA. If an immigrant (or anyone) marries someone who is employed with a health plan, it is illegal to ask about any pre-existing conditions as a condition for providing insurance. I'd guess there are at least a few other states that have the same kind of law, but that's just a guess.

ETA: the person (immigrant) doesn't have to marry someone, either. If they gain employment and get insurance through that employer, the law applies in this situation as well.

Yes, and let's remember that even immigrants who come in now with HIV have to prove they already have insurance and enough money to pay for treatment for the next ten years. Illegals will probably need the same, and it won't be easy to get until some sort of non-profit starts putting up the funds for insurance for them (which might happen with an amnesty plan, who knows). So no HIV patients are going to be allowed to come in and become a public charge.

[Carol&Marc 0]

I love the Idea of importing disease to our country OOOOPS Shite on Carols account Dam it = RUNS= how did I miss those poodles

Edited December 22, 2006 by Carol&Marc

[Killer_Clown_2009 0]

I can see both sides of the coin. As compassionate as I can be, I would go with the side that doesn't want to allow people with HIV a chance to immigrate (or work temporarily) to the US. A single person with HIV is probably much more of a health risk (to the general public) than a married person (for more than 1 reason). Not everyone with HIV is ill, but chances are that healthwise some of these people will have issues with working (and this is about the guest worker program).

Another thing to consider, this "guest worker" program is supposedly temporary (although it sounded like there was a chance to become a PR as well)- the worker is supposed to go home after their time in the program ends. I think it's only a couple of years max, so there would not be any point in them proving that they can pay for treatment for ten plus years, as they are only temporary workers.

I do agree though, that they should be offered a chance to fill out some sort of waiver (especially those with no signs of illness). Some of the people applying for the guest worker program may already be insured through their workplace.

Edited December 22, 2006 by jane2005

[peejay 327]

Another thing to consider, this "guest worker" program is supposedly temporary (although it sounded like there was a chance to become a PR as well)- the worker is supposed to go home after their time in the program ends. I think it's only a couple of years max, so there would not be any point in them proving that they can pay for treatment for ten plus years, as they are only temporary workers.

There is no such thing as a temporary guestworker. Not when they can bring their families here and their children born here are considered US citizens. Not to mention that without a working Entry-Exit program in place and secure borders...we will never know who goes home or if they even do.

It's all just another fairy tale like in 1986.

[Ladylethal 12]

That's prejudice and I think it violates human rights.