Senate to HIV-Positive Immigrants: Go Home

[Jenn! 918]

The road to hell is paved with good intentions...and thinking with your heart instead of common sense is a quick ticket to hell.

Well then.

Didn't Jesus say compassion was the road to hell too?

Must have been a B-side.

[Alex+R 0]

But seriously, the risks an HIV-positive immigrant aware of his/her own status are really not significant. Most HIV is spread by people who don't know they have it.

It's not like we're keeping out the Black Death at the POEs anymore.

[Alex+R 0]

Must have been a B-side.

I missed that the first time around

[peejay 327]

The road to hell is paved with good intentions...and thinking with your heart instead of common sense is a quick ticket to hell.

Well then.

Didn't Jesus say compassion was the road to hell too?

Didn't you ever hear of separation of church and state?

And that old saying about "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" is only a metaphor.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

it is just wrong..next, it be cerbal plasy./...ms..etc....the usa is considering policies taken from a chapter of the 3rd reich

[mybackpages 0]

The road to hell is paved with good intentions...and thinking with your heart instead of common sense is a quick ticket to hell.

Well then.

Didn't Jesus say compassion was the road to hell too?

Didn't you ever hear of separation of church and state?

And that old saying about "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" is only a metaphor.

a metaphor for what?

[peejay 327]

The road to hell is paved with good intentions...and thinking with your heart instead of common sense is a quick ticket to hell.

Well then.

Didn't Jesus say compassion was the road to hell too?

Didn't you ever hear of separation of church and state?

And that old saying about "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" is only a metaphor.

a metaphor for what?

It's an old metaphor...go ask your granny!

[mercy 1]

The road to hell is paved with good intentions...and thinking with your heart instead of common sense is a quick ticket to hell.

Well then.

Didn't Jesus say compassion was the road to hell too?

Didn't you ever hear of separation of church and state?

And that old saying about "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" is only a metaphor.

a metaphor for what?

It's an old metaphor...go ask your granny!

Except that it's not really a metaphor at all, more of an adage. Go ask your dictionary!

[peejay 327]

Didn't you ever hear of separation of church and state?

And that old saying about "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" is only a metaphor.

a metaphor for what?

It's an old metaphor...go ask your granny!

Except that it's not really a metaphor at all, more of an adage. Go ask your dictionary!

Thanks...I stand corrected. It is an old adage.

However...adage or metaphor...it is still way over her head. She'll probably still need plenty of coaching from granny to figure it out.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

If you think current immigration restrictions against HIV-positive would-be immigrants are harsh...

I don't. HIV treatment is expensive. The disease is incurable, terminal. And the disease itself can be spread from person to person, and not always through what we'd call "unsafe behaviors". Why in the world would we knowingly import more of this?

The undocumented population and all guest workers, the supposed beneficiaries of the Senate proposal, are to be tested en masse for HIV. If an individual tests positive, he or she would be denied a visa and deported.

Having HIV makes a potential immigrant inadmissible. The bleeding hearts may have a problem with this, but I do not.

I guess people are just scared. And also cold. And unfeeling. Bastards.

It has been long standing standard policy to bar immigrants with communicable diseases from entry into the USA. Ellis Island, Baltimore, New Orleans, Galveston, etc. were not only immigrant ports of entries at the turn of the 19th to 20th century...they were quarantine stations where immigrants were examined for communicable diseases and routinely as a matter of policy denied entry for diseases. This is for the safety of the American people.

Immigration is a privilege...not a right.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions...and thinking with your heart instead of common sense is a quick ticket to hell.

Two cents of opinion from a cold, unfeeling, #######. P.S.: I have an intense dislike for that abomination S.2611, but for far different reasons than this provision (which I support).

I agree with Gupt and peejay. Immigration is a privilege and it incurrs responsibilites. Liberals who want eveyone to have rights seldom mention responsibilities.

[mybackpages 0]

However...adage or metaphor...it is still way over her head. She'll probably still need plenty of coaching from granny to figure it out.

oh i understand it as an adage, but it was you offering it as a metaphor.

Dismissive, condecending and judgemental, but typical.

[Alex+R 0]

I agree with Gupt and peejay. Immigration is a privilege and it incurs responsibilities. Liberals who want eveyone to have rights seldom mention responsibilities.

What is the responsibility in question--the responsibility to not get HIV? I really don't understand your point.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I agree with Gupt and peejay. Immigration is a privilege and it incurs responsibilities. Liberals who want eveyone to have rights seldom mention responsibilities.

What is the responsibility in question--the responsibility to not get HIV? I really don't understand your point.

I agreed that immigration is a privilege, not a right. Then, I added that privilege incurs responsibilities. In this case, the potential beneficiary's responsibility is to accept the fact that a sovereign nation has the right and ability to set the bar for whom it allows into its borders. A sovereign nation has an explicit responsibility is to protect its citizenry. For those with contagious diseases, not limited to HIV, but also leprosy, gnathostomiasis, and Chagas disease, among others, the bar has been set higher due to the fact that they can transmit disease to others, thus, constitute an additional risk.

[Alex+R 0]

I agree with Gupt and peejay. Immigration is a privilege and it incurs responsibilities. Liberals who want eveyone to have rights seldom mention responsibilities.

What is the responsibility in question--the responsibility to not get HIV? I really don't understand your point.

I agreed that immigration is a privilege, not a right. Then, I added that privilege incurs responsibilities. In this case, the potential beneficiary's responsibility is to accept the fact that a sovereign nation has the right and ability to set the bar for whom it allows into its borders. A sovereign nation has an explicit responsibility is to protect its citizenry. For those with contagious diseases, not limited to HIV, but also leprosy, gnathostomiasis, and Chagas disease, among others, the bar has been set higher due to the fact that they can transmit disease to others, thus, constitute an additional risk.

The bar has been set higher. That's the status quo. You want to make it impossible. Correct?

[mybackpages 0]

I don't think anyone is arguing that those that are HIV positive should have undeniable right to immigrate. The discussion is whether they should have the right to appeal with a wavier.