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New America Media, Commentary, Adam Francoeur, Posted: Sep 21, 2006

EDITOR’S NOTE: If you think current immigration restrictions against HIV-positive would-be immigrants are harsh, wait till you see what Senate Bill 2611 wants to do, writes Adam Francoeur, policy coordinator of Immigration Equality.

NEW YORK -- People living with HIV are banned from entering the United States. If you apply for a green card, you’ll be tested. If that test proves positive, your application will be denied and you’ll be deported, unless you meet the stringent requirements for an HIV waiver.

These are the harsh realities awaiting HIV-positive immigrants in the United States and those seeking to come here. There are currently waiver opportunities for some individuals who have qualifying family members, but simply having a family member doesn’t guarantee the waiver will be granted. The Senate bill (S.2611) proposes several new provisions that seek to punish further HIV-positive immigrants.

The undocumented population and all guest workers, the supposed beneficiaries of the Senate proposal, are to be tested en masse for HIV. If an individual tests positive, he or she would be denied a visa and deported. Normally, relatives such as spouses, children, and parents could serve as the basis for an HIV waiver application, but the Senate bill proposes an end to all health-related waivers for guest workers and the undocumented population. Meaning, they will be treated literally worse than criminals who will have access to some waivers. This proposal portends more hardships and policy failure for the HIV-positive immigrant community.

The most common arguments favored by those who support health exclusions center on the protection of the public health and public funds. In reality the denial of all health-related waivers is anathema in many ways to the central goals of U.S. immigration policy. One of these goals is the preservation of family unity. According to the Government Accountability Office, 65 percent of all “green card” applications are based on family relationships. Denying waivers to people who have a health concern separates sick individuals from those who can best care for them, their families.

Another justification for the HIV ban is safeguarding the public health. Instead of protecting the HIV-positive and negative populations, denying health-related waivers diminishes the likelihood of treatment for individuals with HIV/AIDS, and scapegoats immigrants for the further spread of HIV. Eliminating health waivers discourages HIV status disclosure, putting public health at risk by driving underground people living with HIV. Being “underground” and living with HIV usually means ineffective treatment and a lack of counseling about how HIV/AIDS is spread. It doesn’t take an incredible intellectual leap to understand how this could drive up domestic infection rates.

Likewise, those who argue against admitting HIV-positive individuals cite the expense of treating people with HIV. The economic argument makes little more sense: individuals require health care to obtain waivers. By denying HIV-positive immigrants waivers, the Senate will push individuals who have viable job offers and health insurance into the shadows. Individuals without the ability to obtain health insurance are more likely to rely on costly and ineffective emergency medical care and drive up health care costs for all.

While it now appears that comprehensive immigration reform is on the shelf until the next Congress, those who care about positive immigration reform should give pause and regroup because we need to produce a better bill when the next Congress convenes. While there was never much hope for positive reform of the current HIV immigration policy, few expected a proposal to eliminate all health waivers. There’s a better way and it begins with recognizing the value of health waivers.

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If you think current immigration restrictions against HIV-positive would-be immigrants are harsh...

I don't. HIV treatment is expensive. The disease is incurable, terminal. And the disease itself can be spread from person to person, and not always through what we'd call "unsafe behaviors". Why in the world would we knowingly import more of this?

The undocumented population and all guest workers, the supposed beneficiaries of the Senate proposal, are to be tested en masse for HIV. If an individual tests positive, he or she would be denied a visa and deported.

Having HIV makes a potential immigrant inadmissible. The bleeding hearts may have a problem with this, but I do not.

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I guess people are just scared. And also cold. And unfeeling. Bastards.

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and ignorant. People can live productive lives with loving family and still be HIV postive.

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If you think current immigration restrictions against HIV-positive would-be immigrants are harsh...

I don't. HIV treatment is expensive. The disease is incurable, terminal. And the disease itself can be spread from person to person, and not always through what we'd call "unsafe behaviors". Why in the world would we knowingly import more of this?

The undocumented population and all guest workers, the supposed beneficiaries of the Senate proposal, are to be tested en masse for HIV. If an individual tests positive, he or she would be denied a visa and deported.

Having HIV makes a potential immigrant inadmissible. The bleeding hearts may have a problem with this, but I do not.

We already force the people with HIV and their sponsors to prove that they have insurance and can pay for HIV care for the next 10 years. Those things are not easy to secure. But, if someone can, they can come to this country. I have no problem with that. These would be people who know they have HIV. How many people knowingly spread HIV, or not take the precautions necessary to prevent it? HIV is extremely rarely spread through behaviors that aren't what we'd call unsafe.

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We already force the people with HIV and their sponsors to prove that they have insurance and can pay for HIV care for the next 10 years. Those things are not easy to secure. But, if someone can, they can come to this country.

Would the new bill being discussed allow for a similar waiver process? I expect it would. At any rate, it should. But that doesn't change the fact that they should still be found inadmissible initially (and trigger the waiver process).

ETA: Ok a more careful reading of the article seems to say that they will be denied waivers. Hmm.

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This part also especially worries me, from a practical standpoint:

Eliminating health waivers discourages HIV status disclosure, putting public health at risk by driving underground people living with HIV. Being “underground” and living with HIV usually means ineffective treatment and a lack of counseling about how HIV/AIDS is spread. It doesn’t take an incredible intellectual leap to understand how this could drive up domestic infection rates.

eta: this especially applies to "guest workers" or whatever these new immigrants would be, who could possibly be less educated than a K-1'er.

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If you think current immigration restrictions against HIV-positive would-be immigrants are harsh...

I don't. HIV treatment is expensive. The disease is incurable, terminal. And the disease itself can be spread from person to person, and not always through what we'd call "unsafe behaviors". Why in the world would we knowingly import more of this?

The undocumented population and all guest workers, the supposed beneficiaries of the Senate proposal, are to be tested en masse for HIV. If an individual tests positive, he or she would be denied a visa and deported.

Having HIV makes a potential immigrant inadmissible. The bleeding hearts may have a problem with this, but I do not.

Agreed totally

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it is just wrong..next, it be cerbal plasy./...ms..etc....the usa is considering policies taken from a chapter of the 3rd reich

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I guess people are just scared. And also cold. And unfeeling. Bastards.

It has been long standing standard policy to bar immigrants with communicable diseases from entry into the USA. Ellis Island, Baltimore, New Orleans, Galveston, etc. were not only immigrant ports of entries at the turn of the 19th to 20th century...they were quarantine stations where immigrants were examined for communicable diseases and routinely as a matter of policy denied entry for diseases. This is for the safety of the American people.

Immigration is a privilege...not a right.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions...and thinking with your heart instead of common sense is a quick ticket to hell.

Two cents of opinion from a cold, unfeeling, #######. P.S.: I have an intense dislike for that abomination S.2611, but for far different reasons than this provision (which I support).

"Credibility in immigration policy can be summed up in one sentence: Those who should get in, get in; those who should be kept out, are kept out; and those who should not be here will be required to leave."

"...for the system to be credible, people actually have to be deported at the end of the process."

US Congresswoman Barbara Jordan (D-TX)

Testimony to the House Immigration Subcommittee, February 24, 1995

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Worrying about transmission is sensible, but HIV, while terminal if untreated, is managed like a chronic disease with the right medications, which are expensive, but effective. If the person's insured & financially stable, I don't see a reason why the waiver should no longer apply in the small set of cases where a waiver would be eligible (i.e., family-based.)

Not everyone should get a waiver, but denying the option entirely seems like a good way to drive the disease underground (where I'm sure it'll just go away magically.)

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The road to hell is paved with good intentions...and thinking with your heart instead of common sense is a quick ticket to hell.

Well then.

Didn't Jesus say compassion was the road to hell too? :huh:

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