Israeli woman fined $140 a day for refusing to circumcise son

[sly_wolf 199]

Hmmm.. Having grown up in the west and lived in Utah, Idaho, California, Arizona, and Oregon.. and having hobbies that involve seeing at least a few per week.. and having taken gym classes with hundreds of men over the years and showering in the same room.. I've yet to see a non-circumsized member.. not since high school anyway. Let alone 70%+

The falling US circumcision rate will cost 4.4 billion in added health care: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/declining-circumcision-rates-may-add-4-billion-in-us-health-care-costs-researchers-say/

That cbsnews link is nonsense. The root cause is promiscuity.

[Dakine10 5,452]

Yes but talking statistically those who are circumcised have fewer problems..

Although it should be noted that fatalities annually due to circumcison is roughly equal to deaths from SIDS in males. Studies indicate its around 100 deaths a year, almost always due to blood loss. Amazing to consider how much attention SIDS gets and then consider that an equal number of male infants die from an elective procedure whose benefits are marginal for most.

We decided not to circumcise my son and they came into the room 3 times to try to take him. The pediatrician kept asking if we were sure - she could come back later and check, best to do it ASAP etc. etc. I'm sure it's a big money maker for them.

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

Although it should be noted that fatalities annually due to circumcison is roughly equal to deaths from SIDS in males. Studies indicate its around 100 deaths a year, almost always due to blood loss. Amazing to consider how much attention SIDS gets and then consider that an equal number of male infants die from an elective procedure whose benefits are marginal for most.

We decided not to circumcise my son and they came into the room 3 times to try to take him. The pediatrician kept asking if we were sure - she could come back later and check, best to do it ASAP etc. etc. I'm sure it's a big money maker for them.

Yes and we would not need those useless seat belts if we would just outlaw cars.. And how many people die from vaccinations every year? Plan on not giving your son vaccinations using that same logic? The equation is always going to be the amount of good minus the amount of harm.. .I did try to look up the number of deaths per year but of course the numbers are all over the place for the US: from one per 1.2 million (1 per year) to 117. You decided to not give your son a vasectomy.. That is your choice and it really does not appear that choosing either way will have a great impact on society or your son.. Claiming any medical reason or that it is a better decision I call BS.

Edited November 30, 2013 by OnMyWayID

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

That cbsnews link is nonsense. The root cause is promiscuity.

heh Yes good point if they outlaw sex and require daily weenie cleanings that would solve 99% of the problem.. Sadly the CDC study cited in the article was based on reality.. I'll forward them an email about this solution and see if that helps the numbers.

[Pooky 3,784]

You decided to not give your son a vasectomy.

Wouldn't giving him one be a bit ... drastic?

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

Wouldn't giving him one be a bit ... drastic?

Not with the handy dandy new Ronco circumcision kit... Order today and get a free Mr. Microphone.

[Pooky 3,784]

Not with the handy dandy new Ronco circumcision kit... Order today and get a free Mr. Microphone.

Wait a sec. You mean you weren't talking about an actual vasectomy?

Phew!

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

Wait a sec. You mean you weren't talking about an actual vasectomy?

Phew!

Ha! Yeah I never caught that, not even the second time..

Edited November 30, 2013 by OnMyWayID

[Dakine10 5,452]

Yes and we would not need those useless seat belts if we would just outlaw cars.. And how many people die from vaccinations every year? Plan on not giving your son vaccinations using that same logic? The equation is always going to be the amount of good minus the amount of harm.. .I did try to look up the number of deaths per year but of course the numbers are all over the place for the US: from one per 1.2 million (1 per year) to 117. You decided to not give your son a vasectomy.. That is your choice and it really does not appear that choosing either way will have a great impact on society or your son.. Claiming any medical reason or that it is a better decision I call BS.

I'm not sure your point. I can give you data on the benefits of vaccines or seatbelts. Circumcision is not the same. If there was a 10% increase in mortality rate associated with not being circumcised (as there is with not getting vaccinated), there would be no argument.

Children don't get HIV or penal cancer from being uncircumcised. It may increase their risks as adults. If they want to get circumcised as adults for medical reasons, let it be their own informed decision. There is no benefit at all to doing the procedure on infants. At least as adults they can do it under anaesthesia.

The medical benefits are marginal. The risk of the procedure small, but it is real. I don't see it as being my choice or my wife's choice not to circumcise. He can make the decision when he's an adult. I'm just not sure why it should be my decision to cut off the tip of his ####### when they can't present any data or reason for doing so. Doing it because everyone else does is not a good enough reason.

[sly_wolf 199]

heh Yes good point if they outlaw sex and require daily weenie cleanings that would solve 99% of the problem.. Sadly the CDC study cited in the article was based on reality.. I'll forward them an email about this solution and see if that helps the numbers.

Require daily cleaning? Isn't that just normal hygiene. Everyone that I know showers daily.

The study is exaggerated and flawed and I am not going to base my decisions on that. Bottom line is guys have to stop sticking it in every damn place especially in all the high traffic ones. If I was still a teen there is no way I would have sex without a condom these days.

I do agree with the recommendation that boys and girls get vaccinated with gardasil before they start getting sexually active. My youngest will definitely have that.

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

Can't think of an animal in nature that has their junk exposed like a circumcised human. Must be a reason it's made like it is...

[spookyturtle 9,465]

You guys are still arguing about your ugly uncircumcised penises?

[sandinista! 1,816]

I'm not sure your point. I can give you data on the benefits of vaccines or seatbelts. Circumcision is not the same. If there was a 10% increase in mortality rate associated with not being circumcised (as there is with not getting vaccinated), there would be no argument.

Children don't get HIV or penal cancer from being uncircumcised. It may increase their risks as adults. If they want to get circumcised as adults for medical reasons, let it be their own informed decision. There is no benefit at all to doing the procedure on infants. At least as adults they can do it under anaesthesia.

The medical benefits are marginal. The risk of the procedure small, but it is real. I don't see it as being my choice or my wife's choice not to circumcise. He can make the decision when he's an adult. I'm just not sure why it should be my decision to cut off the tip of his ####### when they can't present any data or reason for doing so. Doing it because everyone else does is not a good enough reason.

there is a small amount of benefit in decreased urinary tract infections, which while rare, is nevertheless a big deal in infancy. It can often lead to hospitalization for IV antibiotics, and often triggers a whole cascade of further testing of kidney function, etc which is more often than not completely unnecessary, but is nevertheless still the standard of care.

As the poster you quoted mentioned, the numbers of deaths attributed to the procedure are all over the place. The 117/year number that circulates is really, really dubious. There is no current data whatsoever that directly attributes those deaths to circumcision. That number comes from looking at total infant deaths, then looking at total numbers of males vs females, then looking at circumcision rates and applying that to possible risk from the procedure.

In 1982 there was a study looking directly at circumcisions/deaths and they found 2 in that entire year, in which 1.2 million were performed. Circumcision is performed less frequently now than it was 31 years ago in this country, and 31 years of medical advancements would not make that procedure far, far riskier and deadlier for baby boys now than 31 years ago. But, we have no current, direct numbers to look at, unfortunately.

The problem with waiting and letting a kid decide autonomously, is that by doing so, if they elect to have the procedure done, it becomes a full surgical procedure. With a whole host of increased, tangible risks coming from general anesthesia, which is more dangerous than many people give it credit for, and increased risk of infection.

[sandinista! 1,816]

I do agree with the recommendation that boys and girls get vaccinated with gardasil before they start getting sexually active. My youngest will definitely have that.

good! it's an important vaccine, and I think its development will have a big impact on public health. more insurance companies are on board with covering the vaccine for boys now, and hopefully vaccination rates will rise. there's still a lot of misguided and ridiculous misinformation and moralizing occurring regarding this vaccine still, and it's unfortunate.

[sly_wolf 199]

You guys are still arguing about your ugly uncircumcised penises?

I think they are all ugly