Lake Mary police: We don't have enough evidence to prosecute George Zimmerman

[Karee 4,191]

Since following someone for four minutes without identifying themselves or their intentions constitutes nothing at all creepy or dangerous.

Still shouldn't jump on someone and start pounding the hell out of them for being "creepy" That person might have a gun and defend themselves. Ohh wait.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

So you're saying that GZ's actions were completely normal and rational? That nothing he did contributed to the incident?

You said he turned around and found him. Did GZ say hey I'm the neighborhood watch and try to explain himself? No, he didn't. What's the difference between following and chasing? TM knew he was being followed, it became a chase the second he became aware of his presence and tried to get away from him.

I never said GZ did not make some poor decisions

However just because someone occupies the same sidewalk as you does not give you the right to assault them without consequences.The sad part, is that the black community has made TM a hero.They have taken the lowest common denominator of black society, a lawless juvenile delinquent, and made him a role model to millions of young black males.Great that's just what that demographic needed. Another lawless clueless violent role model.

worse yet 1000's of young black kids have been told the biggest threat to their safety is a white man with a gun, which is insane.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Still shouldn't jump on someone and start pounding the hell out of them for being "creepy" That person might have a gun and defend themselves. Ohh wait.

So you're saying that TM had no right to defend himself? GZ didn't establish if he was a threat or not. He had plenty of time to defuse the situation, but chose not to.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Do you know what I want? I want one of GZ's supporters to tell me what was the proper response to this situation. I mean, what should have TM done to avert this situation? Someone once said he should have run home. That would imply that he was in danger. If that was the case, doesn't he have the right to SYG? Had GZ just identified himself, maybe TM would have just answered him and it would have been a completely different situation. It's amazing that folks are willing to ignore every bit of the the confrontation right up until the fight, because GZ did everything he could to force a confrontation, then when it went sideways, he shot and killed him.

1. Walk straight home and call the police en route. No stopping. Imagine...the 911 operators could have told both of them that they were calling on each other and diffused it right there. Instead TM called a girl that cannot read or write.

2. Turn, remove the hood and take hands out of pockets and walk directly toward GZ and when about 50 feet away say "Good evening sir, can I help you?"

3. Turn remove the hood, take hands from pockets and stand still, allow GZ to approach and ask "How may I help you sir?"

Does TM have the right to "Stand his ground" Yes. He chose to fight and he was unarmed. Bad choice. In order to effectvely SYG and claim self defense you have to be the one that shows up in court. "But he is too young to have a CC permit" True, and that is a problem with concealed carry permits, we should do away with them and allow anyone to be armed. In Vermont he could have been armed (anyone over age 16 can carry concealed handguns) and GZ's approach would have been different, which is why it doesn't happen here. In Vermont, GZ would have offered TM a ride home on a cold rainy night. Who wouldn't? TM could have been armed and it is better to assume that politeness is a better route. If GZ were a real @sshole in Vermont...say like someone that had moved here from Massachusetts, he would have just ignored TM. Where people can be armed you just don't mess with them.

You consistently make the error of assuming one is a racist because you do not spend the time to find my posts about unrelated topics. I am a racist for saying something, and a racist for not saying something. Ridiculous

The other difference here is that GZ was tried and acquitted. What was proven in a court of our justice system was that GZ was a victim of a crime. He was justified to use deadly force to protect himself from a criminal attack. You don't like that. That doesn't matter.

Comparing TM to the mass murderers of children or others would be suggest that I comment on one of the children victims being prosecuted for killing the man that killed the other children. It's wacko!

There ARE NO other cases where the VICTIM of the criminal was prosecuted under pressure from racial organizations.

These other fantasies of what "really happened" in the GZ and TM matter are just that...fantasies. I will not address them but I will gladly allow my opponents in this debate to express them...please do. As often as possible.

The GZ prosecution team had more than a year to assemble their case and proved only that TM was a brutal criminal that badly needed to be shot. The Feds have no whad the case for 6 months and have done nothing. No state has repealed concealed carry or "stand your ground".

TM was a dirt bag thug. GZ saved us all a lot of trouble by capping him. THAT was proven in court.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I never said GZ did not make some poor decisions

However just because someone occupies the same sidewalk as you does not give you the right to assault them without consequences.The sad part, is that the black community has made TM a hero.They have taken the lowest common denominator of black society, a lawless juvenile delinquent, and made him a role model to millions of young black males.Great that's just what that demographic needed. Another lawless clueless violent role model.

worse yet 1000's of young black kids have been told the biggest threat to their safety is a white man with a gun, which is insane.

Yet you continue to flaunt TM's action, while ignoring the fact that he had no criminal record. GZ did.

I have yet to hear any parent tell their kids to grow up and be like TM. I have yet to hear a single child saying they want to be like him when they grow up. And the same rules apply, if you follow someone without any indication of your intentions, you can take that as fear for your life, last time I checked. You say all these things about TM, yet HE HAS NO CRIMINAL RECORD. GZ has assaulted a police officer and now has 2 domestic violence charges against him, he has a record, but in your eyes he's ok. If you think that lowly of TM, you must be scared out of your mind if you came across Charlie Sheen. That dude is more dangerous than TM on his best day, yet no one seems to mind his antics.

1. Walk straight home and call the police en route. No stopping. Imagine...the 911 operators could have told both of them that they were calling on each other and diffused it right there. Instead TM called a girl that cannot read or write.

2. Turn, remove the hood and take hands out of pockets and walk directly toward GZ and when about 50 feet away say "Good evening sir, can I help you?"

3. Turn remove the hood, take hands from pockets and stand still, allow GZ to approach and ask "How may I help you sir?"

Does TM have the right to "Stand his ground" Yes. He chose to fight and he was unarmed. Bad choice. In order to effectvely SYG and claim self defense you have to be the one that shows up in court. "But he is too young to have a CC permit" True, and that is a problem with concealed carry permits, we should do away with them and allow anyone to be armed. In Vermont he could have been armed (anyone over age 16 can carry concealed handguns) and GZ's approach would have been different, which is why it doesn't happen here. In Vermont, GZ would have offered TM a ride home on a cold rainy night. Who wouldn't? TM could have been armed and it is better to assume that politeness is a better route. If GZ were a real @sshole in Vermont...say like someone that had moved here from Massachusetts, he would have just ignored TM. Where people can be armed you just don't mess with them.

You consistently make the error of assuming one is a racist because you do not spend the time to find my posts about unrelated topics. I am a racist for saying something, and a racist for not saying something. Ridiculous

The other difference here is that GZ was tried and acquitted. What was proven in a court of our justice system was that GZ was a victim of a crime. He was justified to use deadly force to protect himself from a criminal attack. You don't like that. That doesn't matter.

Comparing TM to the mass murderers of children or others would be suggest that I comment on one of the children victims being prosecuted for killing the man that killed the other children. It's wacko!

There ARE NO other cases where the VICTIM of the criminal was prosecuted under pressure from racial organizations.

These other fantasies of what "really happened" in the GZ and TM matter are just that...fantasies. I will not address them but I will gladly allow my opponents in this debate to express them...please do. As often as possible.

The GZ prosecution team had more than a year to assemble their case and proved only that TM was a brutal criminal that badly needed to be shot. The Feds have no whad the case for 6 months and have done nothing. No state has repealed concealed carry or "stand your ground".

TM was a dirt bag thug. GZ saved us all a lot of trouble by capping him. THAT was proven in court.

1. What does that girl have to do about anything? You just insulted her for no reason. Classy.

2. Would you give this advice to your own kids?

3. How about you posts those things you said before about him, then we can talk.

If TM was a dirtbag, what do you think about GZ? You know, the guy who has the criminal record?

Still shouldn't jump on someone and start pounding the hell out of them for being "creepy" That person might have a gun and defend themselves. Ohh wait.

I guess following someone at night for you is normal.

Edited November 17, 2013 by Su and Marvin

[Karee 4,191]

I guess following someone at night for you is normal.

I don't know if it's normal or not. Probably not I suppose. That doesn't mean that the person being followed is justified in jumping on top of them and beating the hell out of them. It could get you justifiably killed. Just as it did here.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

I never said GZ did not make some poor decisions

However just because someone occupies the same sidewalk as you does not give you the right to assault them without consequences.The sad part, is that the black community has made TM a hero.They have taken the lowest common denominator of black society, a lawless juvenile delinquent, and made him a role model to millions of young black males.Great that's just what that demographic needed. Another lawless clueless violent role model.

worse yet 1000's of young black kids have been told the biggest threat to their safety is a white man with a gun, which is insane.

I would say a white person with a gun is. Especially since people have to send ther kids to school everyday scared to death. Connecticut, Jonesboro, should I go on?

And I am sure the gun totting, black people die in hell folks jacked off to GZ photos because he killed a black person.

I don't hold TM as a hero. I see him as any race of a child that lost their life due to violence, a tragedy.

[Karee 4,191]

I would say a white person with a gun is.

Seriously?

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Seriously?

Sooooo, you are laughing at all of the school shootings. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Karee 4,191]

Sooooo, you are laughing at all of the school shootings. You should be ashamed of yourself.

I'm laughing at the silliness of your statement.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I don't know if it's normal or not. Probably not I suppose. That doesn't mean that the person being followed is justified in jumping on top of them and beating the hell out of them. It could get you justifiably killed. Just as it did here.

But the same lesson should be applied to following some without provocation or cause. Who should be held responsible? The 17 year old or the 28 year old neighborhood watch guy? As an adult, I know how to defuse most situations with a bit of common sense. None of which GZ used.

To highlight my point, I'll use Gary as the perfect example:

In a thread, Gary said if some black man walked up to him at a gas station, he would pull out his gun, point it in his face and ask can I help you. This is a man at a gas station afraid of someone walking up to him. That's his reaction. But if you look at the post Gary typed to me in this very thread, he proposed that TM did everything he could to defuse the situation, even going as far as to be courteous to a complete stranger who's been chasing him for over 4 minutes.

So why is it completely feasible for Gary to put a gun in a guy's face because he felt threatened, yet in the case of TM he couldn't feel the same way?

Edited November 17, 2013 by Su and Marvin

[Karee 4,191]

But the same lesson should be applied to following some without provocation or cause. Who should be held responsible? The 17 year old or the 28 year old neighborhood watch guy? As an adult, I know how to defuse most situations with a bit of common sense. None of which GZ used.

To highlight my point, I'll use Gary as the perfect example:

In a thread, Gary said if some black man walked up to him at a gas station, he would pull out his gun, point it in his face and ask can I help you. This is a man at a gas station afraid of someone walking up to him. That's his reaction. But if you look at the post Gary typed to me in this very thread, he proposed that TM did everything he could to defuse the situation, even going as far as to be courteous to a complete stranger who's been chasing him for over 4 minutes.

So why is it completely feasible for Gary to put a gun in a guy's face because he felt threatened, yet in the case of TM he couldn't feel the same way?

Ask Gary.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Ask Gary.

I would if I felt comfortable that he would actually answer the question.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

So you're saying that GZ's actions were completely normal and rational? That nothing he did contributed to the incident?

You said he turned around and found him. Did GZ say hey I'm the neighborhood watch and try to explain himself? No, he didn't. What's the difference between following and chasing? TM knew he was being followed, it became a chase the second he became aware of his presence and tried to get away from him.

A court determined that. Not me, not you, not "the Concilliator". There was a trial, it was determined GZ's actions were justified. You do not have to like it. That you do not like it does not consitute racism. Arguing a settled case is ludicrous. Shal we argue the Limgurg trail again? Maye convene another Warren Commission? You sound ridiculous.

But only slightly less ridiculous than when you state someone is a racist because of something they don't say.

Second guessing what anyone "should have" done is ridiculous. It is done, it was prosecuted. They tried to throw the book at GZ and failed. The Feds treid and failed to even find anything to charge him with. There is not even a civil case. TM was determined to be a criminal by a court of law. A civil suit would go nowhere. Get over it...or don't.

I had fun dancing last night.

The fiasco of Obamacare is ongoing and I am sure I will post multiple articles every day since there are many articles every day to post. GZ/TM is old news. It is "so last year" as they say.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

A court determined that. Not me, not you, not "the Concilliator". There was a trial, it was determined GZ's actions were justified. You do not have to like it. That you do not like it does not consitute racism. Arguing a settled case is ludicrous. Shal we argue the Limgurg trail again? Maye convene another Warren Commission? You sound ridiculous.

But only slightly less ridiculous than when you state someone is a racist because of something they don't say.

Second guessing what anyone "should have" done is ridiculous. It is done, it was prosecuted. They tried to throw the book at GZ and failed. The Feds treid and failed to even find anything to charge him with. There is not even a civil case. TM was determined to be a criminal by a court of law. A civil suit would go nowhere. Get over it...or don't.

I had fun dancing last night.

The fiasco of Obamacare is ongoing and I am sure I will post multiple articles every day since there are many articles every day to post. GZ/TM is old news. It is "so last year" as they say.

I asked the question to him, not the court. Are you saying that they get it right every time? Because I'm pretty sure the parents of Emmitt Till, the widow of Medgar Evans, the family of Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman would argue that.