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[The Nature Boy 4,224]

What is stupid is trying to rationalize someone calling the president 'The Kenyan'..You know as well as everybody else that references to the POTUS as the Kenyan are simply designed to inflame and bait other posters.

They do it to bait?

and all this time you all said they were doing it because they want to really use the N word and are racist.

I ma not trying to justify it. I just don't see the big deal. Many of you have called Bush way worse.

Perhaps many of you think having Kenyan heritage implies you are a sub-human of some kind. Now that's Racist.

[JohnR! 5,495]

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Perhaps many of you think having Kenyan heritage implies you are a sub-human of some kind. Now that's Racist.

Why would it imply such a thing? I do believe however it does very little to mask the racism it tries to disguise.

Unless of course you believe that calling him The American to be inappropriate for any reason. Is that the case?

[Peikko 1,575]

They do it to bait?

and all this time you all said they were doing it because they want to really use the N word and are racist.

I ma not trying to justify it. I just don't see the big deal. Many of you have called Bush way worse.

Perhaps many of you think having Kenyan heritage implies you are a sub-human of some kind. Now that's Racist.

It's a bigoted way to address the PUTUS AND it's done to bait other VJ members. Are you really not able to see that?

Of course you don't think it's a big deal, you don't think it's bigoted or baiting, that's why you are defending its use.

I personally haven't called Bush names so I do not see how that can possible be relevant to my post.

No one is saying anything about Kenyan heritage so why toss that in?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Would it be a big deal if people referred to the president using the N word?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Why would it imply such a thing? I do believe however it does very little to mask the racism it tries to disguise.

Unless of course you believe that calling him The American to be inappropriate for any reason. Is that the case?

Nope. I am cool with the American, The Kenyan, or whatever.

So being of Kenyan descent has no negative status in your eyes, but if someone calls someone that it is derogatory

Hmmm..Mr.Spock would say..

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Would it be a big deal if people referred to the president using the N word?

Neocracy?

[JohnR! 5,495]

So being of Kenyan descent has no negative status in your eyes, but if someone calls someone that it is derogatory

Not really, unless you are using it in the birther context, which is how this discussion began.

You are free to attempt and pretend you really don't know what is happening. Unless it is actually possible that one be indeed that clueless.

I am calling it like it is. It is quite simple, really.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

You are free to attempt and pretend you really don't know what is happening. Unless it is actually possible that one be indeed that clueless.

He is.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Not really, unless you are using it in the birther context, which is how this discussion began.

You are free to attempt and pretend you really don't know what is happening. Unless it is actually possible that one be indeed that clueless.

I am calling it like it is. It is quite simple, really.

I think i got it now

It's one of those Liberal things. If you are a Black civil rights leader and call Obama a #######, it's love

If a white person does it you have to use the N word and it's hate.

It's like a hate crime. Same outcome but what you could have been thinking can get you in trouble.

He is.

Start calling you Mr. C

C. I have no idea idea how to respond to the overwhelming facts you presented, so I will just call you a nut job or insult you and move on, and claim I already answered the question. ( this covers the tin foil hat stupidity

[Crashed~N2~Me 970]

I suppose Shrew Clinton is really a racist after all...?

"During the Democratic Party's 2008 presidential primaries, anonymous e-mails from supporters of Hillary Clinton surfaced that questioned Obama's citizenship in an attempt to revive Clinton's faltering primary election campaign. These and numerous other chain e-mails during the subsequent presidential election circulated false rumors about Obama's origin, religion and birth certificate.^"

Word association has been used by politicians since...forever..? I recall a certain slur being tossed around by O's campaign = "Romnesia".

"the Kenyan" as a stand alone reference = Birther Slur. IMO - That's really a no brainer.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Anonymous emails from supporters would not support the claim that Clinton is racist, no. Unless there is evidence that those are her own views.

On the other hand, the word 'shrew' is definitely sexist in relation to women? Are you sexist? I don't know but using language like that might make some people think you are.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I think i got it now

It's one of those Liberal things. If you are a Black civil rights leader and call Obama a #######, it's love

If a white person does it you have to use the N word and it's hate.

It's like a hate crime. Same outcome but what you could have been thinking can get you in trouble.

Start calling you Mr. C

C. I have no idea idea how to respond to the overwhelming facts you presented, so I will just call you a nut job or insult you and move on, and claim I already answered the question. ( this covers the tin foil hat stupidity

The use of the 'n' word is generally considered racist and disparaging in any context, regardless of who has said it.

This applies to certain elements or black youth who use the word as a colloquialism and there are people in the black community who strongly disagree with that. While you can't generally be racist against yourself, the argument is that adopting such language is divisive and abusive to the individual and community as a whole because it implies that the speaker accepts stereotyped roles and that blacks should always be at odds with whites.

Edited November 14, 2013 by Papa Lazarou

[Crashed~N2~Me 970]

1) Anonymous emails from supporters would not support the claim that Clinton is racist, no. Unless there is evidence that those are her own views.

2) On the other hand, the word 'shrew' is definitely sexist in relation to women? Are you sexist? I don't know but using language like that might make some people think you are.

1) That's my point. Thanks.

2) Definition of Shrew = "A woman with a violent, scolding, or nagging temperament; a scold." I decided to word associate after I watched her Benghazi testimony. BUT...you may be right...I try to advance my behavior & unlearn some of the negative lessons I was taught ...here & there...I will give it some thought & modify if I conclude it is "negative sexism" or "degrading sexism". In other words - IMO - sexism is reality in many ways - but, when sexism is used to degrade women or a woman = that's wrong. I will give it some thought. Thanks for expressing your observation.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Perhaps many of you think having Kenyan heritage implies you are a sub-human of some kind. Now that's Racist.

Nobody's implied that.

Simply questioning why, instead of his name, certain people choose to call him nothing but "the Kenyan" ... why do you think that is? To honor his heritage?! Why skip the American part?

So tell me why it's cool to highlight his continent of linage but not his country.

It's racist to point out his Heritage is Kenyan but somehow politically correct to point out it's African.

That's just stupid

He's American. Why is he never referred to as American by these same people who want to refer to him as Kenyan?

Edited November 14, 2013 by Penny Lane

[JohnR! 5,495]

I think i got it now

It's one of those Liberal things. If you are a Black civil rights leader and call Obama a #######, it's love

Alas, you are still missing it. Calling a black person ####### or the N-word is racist, no matter who says it.

Calling the POTUS 'Kenyan' as a means to imply he is less an American then the rest of us is [driven by racism and] utterly ignorant.

In either case, it says far more about the person using these terms than the object of their attempted veiled derision.

Edited November 14, 2013 by Gegel