Guns fired at Gaza border as Israel bars official's entry

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RAFAH CROSSING (CNN) -- Gunfire broke out and a border crossing was closed after Israel blocked Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniya from crossing into Gaza from Egypt on Thursday.

Israeli intelligence believed Haniya was carrying "dozens of millions of dollars" of suspected Iranian money to finance militant activity, a senior Israeli security source told CNN.

Sources in Haniya's Hamas party said after Haniya was initially blocked, he planned to try to cross without bringing in money. But the European Union, which has monitors at the crossing, closed it after Hamas militants fired on terminal guards loyal to Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas. Militants also used explosives to put a hole in the wall at the border crossing.

Later Thursday night, however, Haniya was allowed to cross after an hours-long wait. His supporters fired gunshots in the air.

The senior Israeli security source told CNN that Israel was given a tip that Haniya would try to cross into Gaza with "dozens of millions of dollars," most likely from Iran, that he collected on a recent tour of Middle Eastern countries.

The source said Israel wanted to block the money from reaching Hamas because it was "likely to be used for terrorist purposes."

The source said Israel did not care if Haniya crossed into Gaza without the money.

"It's in the international community's interest to empower Abu Mazen (Abbas), not Hamas," the source said, adding that the border was closed because Hamas' "money (is) likely to be used for terrorist purposes -- that is the legal reason."

In the face of crippling international sanctions, the Hamas-led Palestinian government has collected millions of dollars on fundraising trips to countries in the region to keep the government operating.

The United States and the European Union, which had provided millions each year to keep the Palestinian Authority afloat, cut off money after Hamas won elections in January and took over the government.

Haniya's two-week trip to regional countries included a four-day stop in Iran, where Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad pledged $250 million in "development aid" to the cash-strapped Palestinian Authority.

Hamas has refused to recognize Israel's right to exist. It has been designated a terrorist organization by the United States and the European Union, which cut off international aid to the Palestinian government after Hamas took control.

Because of the international sanctions blocking bank transfers, Hamas officials have been forced to hand-carry cash back to Gaza. In the past, some Hamas officials have been allowed to cross into Gaza with suitcases filled with cash.

Hamas sources told CNN that Haniya would enter the crossing without the money. The money, the Hamas sources said, would be held in Egypt by other Hamas officials who would attempt to bring it into Gaza on Friday.

After Haniya was blocked from entering Gaza, a European Union spokeswoman, Maria Telleria, said that at around 4 p.m., European monitors were evacuated from the crossing area when shots rang out.

Palestinian security sources said the gunbattle began when Hamas militants from Izzedine al Qassam military brigades and Palestinian civilians stormed into the Rafah terminal, confronting the terminal guards, who are Abbas loyalists.

Later a second gunbattle erupted. Palestinian medical sources said five people were wounded.

In Jabalya, Palestinian security sources said militants from the Popular Resistance Committees were shooting at the Palestinian Intelligence Center. The Popular Resistance Committees is an umbrella group for Palestinian militant groups. No further details were available.

Telleria said the crossing would not reopen until Friday, noting that under existing agreements it is not legal for people to cross the border without the presence of EU monitors at the crossing.

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[mawilson 2,133]

The source said Israel wanted to block the money from reaching Hamas because it was "likely to be used for terrorist purposes."

Ain't that the truth.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

The source said Israel wanted to block the money from reaching Hamas because it was "likely to be used for terrorist purposes."

Ain't that the truth.

Actually, far fewer Israelis have been killed in terror attacks since Hamas came to power than in any other period during the entire 6 years of this Intifada.

But Israel has dramatically stepped up its killing of Palestinians.

Edited December 15, 2006 by wife_of_mahmoud

[mawilson 2,133]

The source said Israel wanted to block the money from reaching Hamas because it was "likely to be used for terrorist purposes."

Ain't that the truth.

Actually, far fewer Israelis have been killed in terror attacks since Hamas came to power than in any other period during the entire 6 years of this Intifada.

I believe that. Hamas are trying to establish themselves as a legitimate political and social force

in Palestine, and terror attacks undermine their legitimacy.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

According to casualty figures from the Israeli human rights organization B'Tselem, the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA), and press reports for November 1-3, in the period since the Hamas-led Palestinian Authority took office on March 29, 2006 through November 3, 2006, 491 Palestinians were killed by Israelis while 19 Israelis killed by Palestinians, 25.8 Palestinians killed for every Israeli. Since July 1 that ratio has increased to 76.2 Palestinians killed per Israeli, with 381 Palestinians killed versus just five Israelis.

Ratio of Palestinians Killed to Israelis Killed During Current Palestinian Uprising (September 29, 2000 - November 3, 2006) Sources: B'Tselem, UN OCHA, and media reports. B'Tselem's and OCHA's descriptions of the circumstances surrounding these deaths show that approximately half the Palestinians killed during this period were clearly civilians.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Actually, far fewer Israelis have been killed in terror attacks since Hamas came to power than in any other period during the entire 6 years of this Intifada.

I believe that. Hamas are trying to establish themselves as a legitimate political and social force

in Palestine, and terror attacks undermine their legitimacy.

And meanwhile, Israel takes the opportunity to conduct a slaughter.

Edited December 15, 2006 by wife_of_mahmoud

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Actually, far fewer Israelis have been killed in terror attacks since Hamas came to power than in any other period during the entire 6 years of this Intifada.

I believe that. Hamas are trying to establish themselves as a legitimate political and social force

in Palestine, and terror attacks undermine their legitimacy.

And meanwhile, Israel takes the opportunity to conduct a slaughter.

when it reaches 100 to 1, or even 1000 to 1, then maybe Palestine will decide that maybe it might be better to live in peace with their neighbors. Of course, Iran will be willing to sarifice every last Palestinian to acheive their goals.

I know that if someone tries to attack me, Im gonna kill as many of them as I can.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

when it reaches 100 to 1, or even 1000 to 1, then maybe Palestine will decide that maybe it might be better to live in peace with their neighbors. Of course, Iran will be willing to sarifice every last Palestinian to acheive their goals.

I know that if someone tries to attack me, Im gonna kill as many of them as I can.

Soooo... according to your logic, since Israel has killed 4030 Palestinians over the past 6 years, then the Palestinians should kill 403,000, or even 4,030,000 Israelis in return ??? And then maybe the Israelis will decide that maybe it might be better to live in peace with their neighbors ???

Brilliant ! You've just solved the Middle East crisis.

Edited December 15, 2006 by wife_of_mahmoud

[desert_fox 32]

when it reaches 100 to 1, or even 1000 to 1, then maybe Palestine will decide that maybe it might be better to live in peace with their neighbors. Of course, Iran will be willing to sarifice every last Palestinian to acheive their goals.

I know that if someone tries to attack me, Im gonna kill as many of them as I can.

Soooo... according to your logic, since Israel has killed 4030 Palestinians over the past 6 years, then the Palestinians should kill 403,000, or even 4,030,000 Israelis in return ??? And then maybe the Israelis will decide that maybe it might be better to live in peace with their neighbors ???

Brilliant ! You've just solved the Middle East crisis.

Thank you!!!!

However this principle is not new. It was probably discovered around 10,000 B.C. where it was noted that in order to win a conflict, that you inflict many times more damage on your enemy than he inflicts on you. This tends to make the enemy think that it isnt worth the it and decides to seek a peaceful solution.

I was actually thinking that the ratios should be reversed.

[Saddle Bronc 124]

So why is Hamas now accusing Fatah on this now?

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

So why is Hamas now accusing Fatah on this now?

Because it's entirely possible.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

when it reaches 100 to 1, or even 1000 to 1, then maybe Palestine will decide that maybe it might be better to live in peace with their neighbors. Of course, Iran will be willing to sarifice every last Palestinian to acheive their goals.

I know that if someone tries to attack me, Im gonna kill as many of them as I can.

Soooo... according to your logic, since Israel has killed 4030 Palestinians over the past 6 years, then the Palestinians should kill 403,000, or even 4,030,000 Israelis in return ??? And then maybe the Israelis will decide that maybe it might be better to live in peace with their neighbors ???

Brilliant ! You've just solved the Middle East crisis.

Thank you!!!!

However this principle is not new. It was probably discovered around 10,000 B.C. where it was noted that in order to win a conflict, that you inflict many times more damage on your enemy than he inflicts on you. This tends to make the enemy think that it isnt worth the it and decides to seek a peaceful solution.

I was actually thinking that the ratios should be reversed.

Well if the seizure of private land, and your forced acceptance of it is a suggestive of a peaceful solution...

The world needs less violent death, not more. And it certainly doesn't need people glorifying it.

Edited December 15, 2006 by erekose

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Well if the seizure of private land, and your forced acceptance of it is a suggestive of a peaceful solution...

The world needs less violent death, not more. And it certainly doesn't need people glorifying it.

4 Real.

-MK

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According to casualty figures from the Israeli human rights organization B'Tselem, the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA), and press reports for November 1-3, in the period since the Hamas-led Palestinian Authority took office on March 29, 2006 through November 3, 2006, 491 Palestinians were killed by Israelis while 19 Israelis killed by Palestinians, 25.8 Palestinians killed for every Israeli. Since July 1 that ratio has increased to 76.2 Palestinians killed per Israeli, with 381 Palestinians killed versus just five Israelis.

Ratio of Palestinians Killed to Israelis Killed During Current Palestinian Uprising (September 29, 2000 - November 3, 2006) Sources: B'Tselem, UN OCHA, and media reports. B'Tselem's and OCHA's descriptions of the circumstances surrounding these deaths show that approximately half the Palestinians killed during this period were clearly civilians.

This chart shows that hamas are peace-loving people

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

This chart shows that hamas are peace-loving people

The chart shows the total number of Israelis killed in this conflict in comparison to the total number of Palestinians killed during the same period. It is not a chart of *only* Hamas-related deaths.

Question: When was the last time Hamas launched an attack against civilians ?

I urge you to look it up.