13 Year Old Boy Killed Carrying A Pellet Gun

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I think if you look, I often reply to a misrepresentation of a fact of the issue and from there it takes off.

Perhaps I will try to let some mistruths slip past to avoid taking it farther off topic.

What mistruths? Let's take a look shall we:

You said: Your missing the Point (again) how daft could he be to promise that he would do something if it was not in his control?

He claimed "he" would do it... not try, not "do his part", it was a -Done deal, if he were elected.

That actually worked for the better, but the drag he has put on the economy ... the lives and savings he harmed by wasting time on a "green revolution" is monumental.

MBD: Lives and savings he harmed? Have you looked at the markets lately? My savings are doing pretty damn good. Better than they did over the course of the 8 years preceding the Obama administration. A lot better.

You said: How much Money does the average Black family have in "The market"?

JUst because you and your buds are seeing market gains, don't forget, lots of people lost jobs houses and years due to this economy and I don't blame it all on Obama but he only made it worse.

Even his advisors have lost faith in him.

Now we are like the patient with an infection, though we hired a doctor to help us, our infection will have to run it's course.

MBD was talking about himself, not the black community. How do you know how well he is doing? How do you know he is lying?

[decocker 7,198]

Again your thinking and logic has taken us to the place we are at.

I was asked how to correct it and I began to answer.

PS: YOUR WRONG ON CHILD SUPPPORT TOO.

Anyone who leaves the state to avoid child support has now made his case a federal case.

I would post the law but you of course are not interested in those pesky details.

you began to answer? haha. that hot mess about women being 'the gatekeepers' and snipping all the male cats won't stop the kittens from coming?

lulz.

PS. SPEAKING FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. you can post whatever law you want. a law that states you owe child support does not at all mean you are being "AGRESSIVELY PURSUED" by the state. the state very rarely goes after the deadbeats that make it difficult for them to track down and jail.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

when they are arrested at a much higher rate than whites for a comparable offense, it's easy to overlook. of course they are stuck in the cjs, they're getting time and whites aren't.

Thank you for answering because I didn't want to have to say the same things we keep telling him all the time.

[Danno 1,228]

Now you see where my problem lies. Danno says he wants to talk about race. This isn't true. He wants to place the blame on blacks, that's all his ears want to hear.

Steeeeerike!

I place most of the Blame on White Liberals and a few Black leaders.

How would a black kid growing up today be accountable for what went on decades ago.

[decocker 7,198]

and now he's confusing his own argument.

[Danno 1,228]

PS. SPEAKING FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. you can post whatever law you want. a law that states you owe child support does not at all mean you are being "AGRESSIVELY PURSUED" by the state. the state very rarely goes after the deadbeats that make it difficult for them to track down and jail.

See, here is the main flaw in your logic.

You are a free emancipated women.

If you (or anyone) let's some low life crawl on top of you and make kids and then slither away, how dare you blame the court because they don't spend enough money tracking down shifless bum(s).

Think about that.

YOUR BODY YOUR CHOICE remember?

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Of course chapter two of this is these same women who can't be responsible for their ovaries ... then hold their child up as a "hostage" proclaiming-

IF you don't feed, house, medicate and warm my child..... it will do with out, .....and how dare you be as irresponsible as I am?"

Edited October 25, 2013 by Danno

[decocker 7,198]

See, here is the main flaw in your logic.

You are a free emancipated women.

If you (or anyone) let some low life crawl on top of you and make kids and then slither away, how dare you blame the court because they don't spend enough money tracking down shifless bum.

Think about that.

YOUR BODY YOUR CHOICE remember?

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Of course chapter two of this is these same women who can't be responsible for their ovaries ... then hold their child up as a "hostage" proclaiming-

IF you don't feed, house, medicate and warm my child..... it will do with out, .....and how dare you be as irresponsible as I am?"

and the main flaw in yours. you know what they say about assumptions, don't you danno?

i do not have a child support order against my ex husband. i didn't allow some lowlife to crawl on top of me, make kids and slither away, only to blame the court (my god, if you had any idea how repulsive this opinion of yours is danno)..i had a child, with my husband. when we split, i decided that i would rather be a free emancipated woman than force a man to pay for his own child. if he wants to pay for something, he's more than welcome to do so.

the person i was referring to, also had children with her husband. when they divorced, he left the state. as usual, you have no clue what you're talking about, your assumptions are incorrect and you've displayed, once again, your contempt for women.

bravo, take a bow.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Steeeeerike!

I place most of the Blame on White Liberals and a few Black leaders.

How would a black kid growing up today be accountable for what went on decades ago.

Funny, who are these white liberals you speak of? Every topic is blah blah, black people, blah blah, starts on black people.

[B_J 2,752]

1. Men who don't pay child support are pursued vigarously by the court. They can lose professional license and have wages garnished.

But practically speaking, women are the gate-keepers to having kids. If I get my female cat fixed, no other cat in my hood can get her knocked up.

If I depend on all the males cats to be snipped to prevent kittens I am stupid.

Sure we should socially and legally hold men accountable, that makes a good community but to limit the fatherless children we must accept the women holds the key as there will always be a male in-waiting. Men and women are equal though not the same.

1. Of course, men are pursued to pay child support. But I think that is irrelevant to the discussion. Being a father is not about child support. We were talking about family. And being an absent dad who sends money every month does nothing to promote family.

2. Women may be the gate-keepers; but men are the key-masters. The discussion is how to make a positive change in society. Men have to take responsibility as well. To be a positive influence on a young man, I think it would be better for the father to be in a committed relationship with the mother. He also needs to be a positive role model. I don't think sleeping around with other women qualifies as that. Just because he's the father and sends some money doesn't do it.

We were talking not just about fatherless children but promoting families. And a family needs a present, caring father who is a role model.

Of course, there are exceptions to everything.

[Danno 1,228]

1. Of course, men are pursued to pay child support. But I think that is irrelevant to the discussion. Being a father is not about child support. We were talking about family. And being an absent dad who sends money every month does nothing to promote family.

2. Women may be the gate-keepers; but men are the key-masters. The discussion is how to make a positive change in society. Men have to take responsibility as well. To be a positive influence on a young man, I think it would be better for the father to be in a committed relationship with the mother. He also needs to be a positive role model. I don't think sleeping around with other women qualifies as that. Just because he's the father and sends some money doesn't do it.

We were talking not just about fatherless children but promoting families. And a family needs a present, caring father who is a role model.

Of course, there are exceptions to everything.

You make a brilliant point.

These changes come only from the community, Gov't can't invent them it can only erode them.

Every community and culture, has a moral code, in some it could be as simple as "Keep your grass cut" or the Music turned low. In other communities it could be -Never let anyone disrespect you. These are called "stigmas."

We used to have a stigma about getting knocked up before marriage, it occasionally happened but as I said, when I was born it was like 1% FWP.

No one respected a man who abandoned his children, to walk out on a wife was unforgivable if she had children.

These are social codes that developed because society understood the harm all of these action brought on everyone else.

Suddenly with the welfare state, the act of "walking away" didn't seem so bad as the kids weren't going hungry Etc.

The social codes existed organically not artificially or we could create them into being again.

[Danno 1,228]

and the main flaw in yours. you know what they say about assumptions, don't you danno?

i do not have a child support order against my ex husband. i didn't allow some lowlife to crawl on top of me, make kids and slither away, only to blame the court (my god, if you had any idea how repulsive this opinion of yours is danno)..i had a child, with my husband. when we split, i decided that i would rather be a free emancipated woman than force a man to pay for his own child. if he wants to pay for something, he's more than welcome to do so.

the person i was referring to, also had children with her husband. when they divorced, he left the state. as usual, you have no clue what you're talking about, your assumptions are incorrect and you've displayed, once again, your contempt for women.

bravo, take a bow.

Forgive me if I did not make it clear enough that I was not referring to you personally. I know nothing of your life and if I did I would never use that on the board.

I was referring to those with whom it applied across the country.

YOu mentioned being married. My post was for those "unmarried women", who commit kids to a father who won't commit to them.

The unmarried moms are the biggest problem because of lack of child support and the likelihood the dad will play a roll in the child life is very small.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Forgive me if I did not make it clear enough that I was not referring to you personally. I know nothing of your life and if I did I would never use that on the board.

I was referring to those with whom it applied across the country.

YOu mentioned being married. My post was for those "unmarried women", who commit kids to a father who won't commit to them.

The unmarried moms are the biggest problem because of lack of child support and the likelihood the dad will play a roll in the child life is very small.

You do realize that being married doesn't guarantee that the guy will be a good father if they divorce, right?

[decocker 7,198]

Forgive me if I did not make it clear enough that I was not referring to you personally. I know nothing of your life and if I did I would never use that on the board.

no, not clear enough.

If you (or anyone) let's some low life crawl on top of you and make kids and then slither away, how dare you blame the court because they don't spend enough money tracking down shifless bum(s).

[Danno 1,228]

no, not clear enough.

I regret I didn't make it more clear.

When I used the term "you (or anyone)" that was to indicate I was talking hypothetically.

-To forgive is devine

[Danno 1,228]

You do realize that being married doesn't guarantee that the guy will be a good father if they divorce, right?

No of course, there are no guarantees at all in life

But that fact doesn't prevent us from taking prudent steps, which are time proven.

We have war widows with children, people where their marriage failed or perhaps a spouse gets cancer and passes.

Strong societies have the social capital to stand in as best as possible.

When you have whole zip codes where every other house has no father the whole of the community falls apart.

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Marvin always wants "experience" and less fact.

When I was a little kid I knew of only one friend whose parents were divorced. He lived just down the street, He grew up surrounded by typical nuclear type families. He was a good kid, we kinda grew apart at middle school but he went on to become a US marshall and died while serving a warrant in Fla.

If he grew up in a area where 70% of the houses had no father what kind of neighborhood and influences would that be like and would his chances at life been as great?

I don't think that is even debatable.