These are Monsters, not parents.

[decocker 7,198]

While I like the points Danno is making that guilt for slavery can be spread around the world; I loved this post.

it doesn't have to be about guilt. in fact, it shouldn't be. we can accept that a problem was created by our ancestors and take the responsibility to try and amend.

[Danno 1,228]

it doesn't have to be about guilt. in fact, it shouldn't be. we can accept that a problem was created by our ancestors and take the responsibility to try and amend.

Amnd, how so?

What are you doing to amend the Middle East slave trade out of Africa?

Or in the USA for that matter.

[B_J 2,752]

it doesn't have to be about guilt. in fact, it shouldn't be. we can accept that a problem was created by our ancestors and take the responsibility to try and amend.

shhhhhh. I'm busy admiring your previous post for its humorous content.

[decocker 7,198]

shhhhhh. I'm busy admiring your previous post for its humorous content.

lol. sorry. i'll shut up.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

You've completely gone off on another tangent and please get off your superior white horse. Natives were doing just fine, so stop saying they "weren't advanced enough". According to who? To white, European standards? Again, yes mixed natives occasionally had slaves, isn't that what white people were supposed to do back then? Weren't natives forced to assimilate to white, european culture? Slavery has been around since the beginning of time, everyone knows that, but just please stop defending slavery in the United States and trying to put the blame somewhere else. White europeans took over America and eventually brought slaves over from Africa - it happened, it's a fact. First Nations didn't go over to Africa and enslave human beings based on the colour of their skin and then bring them over to their homeland.

I have no clue about Native Americans and slavery

As for not being advanced enough. Well they got over run at will. Their lack of Military technology did them in

before we have a 8 page rant

I am not defending what the white folks did to them

[Danno 1,228]

I have no clue about Native Americans and slavery

As for not being advanced enough. Well they got over run at will. Their lack of Military technology did them in

before we have a 8 page rant

I am not defending what the white folks did to them

Well to be fair to history , The indians did very well in the skirmishes, attacking homesteads. This is what lead to most of the conflict.

We hear the endless refrain of how Americans broke the treaties with The Indians, but when you study into it, it was much more complicated.

We make a treaty and groups of Indians would constantly breech the boundaries and cause mischief, and sometime the most brutal attacks on families.

While I have not counted, I would estimate we had 200 treaties, where we paid for tracks of land and in some cases gave an annual payment only to have the agreed upon land boundaries not mean much.

Another problem was "who are we making the treaty with."

We would come to an agreement, transfer goods etc only to have another tribe show up later and claim that the land is theirs too and the treaty is no good.

Read some of the treaties, some are quite interesting.

I think one tribe in NY still gets annual payment of a certain amount of Calico (cloth) every year and cash.

This is just another example of how Diversity is so often a problem which leads to wars and blood shed.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Well to be fair to history , The indians did very well in the skirmishes, attacking homesteads. This is what lead to most of the conflict.

We hear the endless refrain of how Americans broke the treaties with The Indians, but when you study into it, it was much more complicated.

We make a treaty and groups of Indians would constantly breech the boundaries and cause mischief, and sometime the most brutal attacks on families.

While I have not counted, I would estimate we had 200 treaties, where we paid for tracks of land and in some cases gave an annual payment only to have the agreed upon land boundaries not mean much.

Another problem was "who are we making the treaty with."

We would come to an agreement, transfer goods etc only to have another tribe show up later and claim that the land is theirs too and the treaty is no good.

Read some of the treaties, some are quite interesting.

I think one tribe in NY still gets annual payment of a certain amount of Calico (cloth) every year and cash.

This is just another example of how Diversity is so often a problem which leads to wars and blood shed.

Blame blame blame.

So, if a man comes to your house, kick you out, rape your wife and kids, you will be okay keeping a treaty and living outside of your house?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Blame blame blame.

So, if a man comes to your house, kick you out, rape your wife and kids, you will be okay keeping a treaty and living outside of your house?

You think it's hard being black try being Native American. My tribe has been severely mis treated

[Janelle2002 3,865]

You think it's hard being black try being Native American. My tribe has been severely mis treated

I know and they get stereotyped all the time too.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I know and they get stereotyped all the time too.

Yes we do.My tribe was almost driven to extinction

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Yes we do.My tribe was almost driven to extinction

Which tribe?

[Danno 1,228]

Blame blame blame.

So, if a man comes to your house, kick you out, rape your wife and kids, you will be okay keeping a treaty and living outside of your house?

You see it as blame, I see it as looking at the issue more evenly handed, are you assuming whites were the only party guilty of conflict?

The conflict took place over 4 centuries, So your example doesn't work really.

Since you enjoy the emotional aspect rather than the intellectual, I will indulge you.

This is who Americans were dealing with, this is how they lived and killed.

Get the romantic notion of Indians and dream-catchers out of your head, thats Flea-market imagery.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Which tribe?

Somehow Nature boy has transformed himself into every minority on the planet.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Which tribe?

Eastern Band of the Slapaho nation

[Janelle2002 3,865]

You see it as blame, I see it as looking at the issue more evenly handed, are you assuming whites were the only party guilty of conflict?

The conflict took place over 4 centuries, So your example doesn't work really.

Since you enjoy the emotional aspect rather than the intellectual, I will indulge you.

This is who Americans were dealing with, this is how they lived and killed.

Get the romantic notion of Indians and dream-catchers out of your head, thats Flea-market imagery.

Soooo what was wrong with the way they were living? They didn't drive cars to the mailbox?

Eastern Band of the Slapaho nation

Ahaaaaaaaaaa I have heard of Eastern Band, but they were not slapaing hos.