These are Monsters, not parents.

[Danno 1,228]

.......... Again, yes mixed natives occasionally had slaves, isn't that what white people were supposed to do back then? Weren't natives forced to assimilate to white, european culture? Slavery has been around since the beginning of time, everyone knows that, but just please stop defending slavery in the United States and trying to put the blame somewhere else.

-What is this term "Mixed natives occasionally had slaves" refer to?

Indians practiced slavery long before Europeans arrived... and who are these "mixed indians?"

-No one is defending slavery but yes I am spreading the blame around..... but only to places that is should be spread, (almost everywhere)

I am sorry if the facts are painful for you.

- It would seem like in your mind there is good slavery (indian style) and bad slavery (European style).

If you want to debate HOW MANY SLAVES indians have let me know, we have records, for instance, the Cherokee's held about 10% of their population as slaves.

Again, the only thing I am shooting holes in is the popular concept that "Whites were uniquely guilty" when we discuss the issue.

The truth is Slavery was THE NORM throughout most parts of the world.

[decocker 7,198]

Again, the only thing I am shooting holes in is the popular concept that "Whites were uniquely guilty" when we discuss the issue.

The truth is Slavery was THE NORM throughout most parts of the world.

the truth is that the effects of the slavery that occured in the us are still being felt.

no one said whites are uniquely guilty. so you're having that discussion by your lonesome.

[Danno 1,228]

what in the world does that have to do with your initial assertion that historically america should be honored for not being the last country on earth to get rid of slavery?

When you refer to what I posted, it is best to quote me (post it) that way you have a better chance of recalling what I ACTUALLY said.

Misquoting people wastes a lot of time.

[JensJrny2Ray 367]

-What is this term "Mixed natives occasionally had slaves" refer to?

Indians practiced slavery long before Europeans arrived... and who are these "mixed indians?"

-No one is defending slavery but yes I am spreading the blame around..... but only to places that is should be spread, (almost everywhere)

I am sorry if the facts are painful for you.

- It would seem like in your mind there is good slavery (indian style) and bad slavery (European style).

If you want to debate HOW MANY SLAVES indians have let me know, we have records, for instance, the Cherokee's held about 10% of their population as slaves.

Again, the only thing I am shooting holes in is the popular concept that "Whites were uniquely guilty" when we discuss the issue.

The truth is Slavery was THE NORM throughout most parts of the world.

We have been discussing African slaves. Mixed natives refers to white/aboriginal (mixed blood). There is not good or bad slavery, do NOT put words in my mouth as I know you are wont to do with others.

Again you are off on your own little tangent. Slavery in the United States (ie: bringing human beings over from Africa) is a white European thing. It just is.

[decocker 7,198]

When you refer to what I posted, it is best to quote me (post it) that way you have a better chance of recalling what I ACTUALLY said.

Misquoting people wastes a lot of time.

you know what you said. so do i. you go back ten pages and find it. i'm not.

[Danno 1,228]

you know what you said. so do i. you go back ten pages and find it. i'm not.

If you can't be bothered to make your point properly, why make it at all?

[decocker 7,198]

If you can't be bothered to make your point properly, why make it at all?

ssshhhh. i'm busy honoring the us for not being the last country to get out of the slave trade business. redemption at last.

[Danno 1,228]

ssshhhh. i'm busy honoring the us for not being the last country to get out of the slave trade business. redemption at last.

When you have no real argument, you resort to misquoting, thats fine.

PS: We were far from being close to the last... there were countries that waited until the 1960's (refer to my list)

Edited October 24, 2013 by Danno

[decocker 7,198]

PS: We were far from being the last by 1865... there were countries I think up until 1960's (refer to my list)

i know, that's why i'm honoring. so proud of those guys.

[Danno 1,228]

Slavery in the United States (ie: bringing human beings over from Africa) is a white European thing. It just is.

On this we can agree, we should also note We also imported Cinnamon, Horses the iron age.

Can you name some things the Indians did import?

I ask because I am trying to see if they were morally opposed to importing slaves or they just had not yet built a sea worthy ship with the navigation instruments.

[JensJrny2Ray 367]

On this we can agree, we should also note We also imported Cinnamon, Horses the iron age.

Can you name some things the Indians did import?

I ask because I am trying to see if they were morally opposed to importing slaves or they just had not yet built a sea worthy ship with the navigation instruments.

I actually laughed out loud. Comparing human beings to animals and spices...good work!

Shall we make a time machine, and go back and ask the First Nations if they were morally opposed to importing slaves? Or, we could make a time machine and go back and give them plans to build ships! Silly non-advanced Indians! If only they were like white people!

Edited to add: Seriously, just stop posting. You're off the rails, man! You make ZERO sense.

Edited October 24, 2013 by JensJrny2Ray

[Janelle2002 3,865]

I actually laughed out loud. Comparing human beings to animals and spices...good work!

Shall we make a time machine, and go back and ask the First Nations if they were morally opposed to importing slaves? Or, we could make a time machine and go back and give them plans to build ships! Silly non-advanced Indians! If only they were like white people!

Edited to add: Seriously, just stop posting. You're off the rails, man! You make ZERO sense.

I love to hear from Danno.

He thinks outside of the box, waaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy outside of the box.

[Danno 1,228]

I actually laughed out loud. Comparing human beings to animals and spices...good work!

Shall we make a time machine, and go back and ask the First Nations if they were morally opposed to importing slaves? Or, we could make a time machine and go back and give them plans to build ships! Silly non-advanced Indians! If only they were like white people!

Edited to add: Seriously, just stop posting. You're off the rails, man! You make ZERO sense.

And this is the whole of your ability to argue your cartoonish opinion.

Books, they are out there.

Find them.

Library.

[B_J 2,752]

ssshhhh. i'm busy honoring the us for not being the last country to get out of the slave trade business. redemption at last.

While I like the points Danno is making that guilt for slavery can be spread around the world; I loved this post.

[JensJrny2Ray 367]

You're reaching for a point somewhere, I see that. What exactly is it? First Nations did not need fixing by the white man. It didn't matter that they didn't build ships, it's silly to argue about (well if they would have built ships, they would have imported slaves!). What books are you even talking about? You haven't quoted any books or literature, and why on earth would I care about a white man's opinion about First Nations?

Anyway, you've gone off the rails with this one, seriously and this argument would be the definition of insanity.