False abuse claims.

[verysadguy 170]

The truth.....

Fiscal Year Petitions Received or Transferred from Prior Year Proportion of Petitions Approved Proportion of Requests for Information

2011 9,209 68% 114%a

2011 9,209 68% 114%

Looks like many many denials and RFE's.

Not a cakewalk at all.

Fraud is high.

Adjudicators know that.

[ir0nK1visa 2]

This is what i find so entertaining with the open forums as these. Now this is taking on a whole other discussion, not really relevant to my post.

I have stated time and time again, I wish her the best, I will not contest her attempts to gain citizenship without me via VAWA, but you say i need anger mgmt...hahaha

Again, I AM VERY sad and heart broken on how it ended, but to each their own and I WILL move forward in my own.

Don't confuse improper submission with lack of case. This year we only heard one guy who didn't respond to RFE to re-submit Birth Certificate, one woman who submitted single page affidavit and one who didn't submit husband's USC proof.

On the parallel but different subject, OP here keeps venting to everyone who will listen that his estranged wife has no right to self-petition. He displays very volatile disposition, even way past the break-up. Basically underscoring that he could use anger management

[ir0nK1visa 2]

To those following this thread for my issue..I say this. If you HAVE the dinero to hire a lawyer to contest a protective/restraining order and an appeal if needed, do it. Otherwise, go to the permanent hearing solo/pro se, consult a lawyer on how to present your case, other court procedures and related actions pro se..should you lose, let's be honest unless the VICTIM RECANTS you will lose, then appeal and hire counsel.

Some may frown on this, but that is my unprofessional, personal opinion. Happy EVERYTHING to all!!

Edited December 3, 2013 by ir0nK1visa

[SingleDad2usc 71]

OP made it clear that he wanted to utilize the court date for a "second chance". If not for that, he'd just stay away, forget the out-of-state order, forget about his young estranged (and to be ex-) wife and not post on immigration forum. As Verysadguy pointed out, it was weird OP never petitioned for his wife. Now OP posts on immigration forum about how his wife has no grounds to self-petition.

In the beginning of the topic, OP refused to talk about how this marriage happened. In the middle, OP confessed leaving compromising voicemails. Also confessed to being drunk (a defense?). Confessed numerously of not wanting to leave her alone, and even to seek private meeting around court despite protective order. Now says that it's still very hard for him, but he will finally leave her alone. Amen

[SingleDad2usc 71]

Thanx for numbers. Everyone appreciates numbers. But the point was being made that in 2013 (possibly since DC's re-authorization and Obama's signature) the numbers went (shall we say) nuts.

The truth.....

Fiscal Year Petitions Received or Transferred from Prior Year Proportion of Petitions Approved Proportion of Requests for Information

2011 9,209 68% 114%a

2011 9,209 68% 114%

Looks like many many denials and RFE's.

Not a cakewalk at all.

Fraud is high.

Adjudicators know that.

Edited December 3, 2013 by SingleDad2usc

[verysadguy 170]

Thanx for numbers. Everyone appreciates numbers. But the point was being made that in 2013 (possibly since DC's re-authorization and Obama's signature) the numbers went (shall we say) nuts.

But the point was being made that in 2013 (possibly since DC's re-authorization and Obama's signature) the numbers went (shall we say) nuts.

Doubtful. But we won't know until late 2014 or even 2015 because those numbers aren't published. You are basing your estimates purely on conjecture.

Vermont VSC unit holds itself to very high standards of proof.

"I was abused=green card" is not the case.

[SingleDad2usc 71]

Well then VJers submit great cases in 2013, because there are no denials and approvals moved from a 14 months wait to a 3 months wait. Roughly since re-authorization. Mind you, these are not GC - these are VAWA approvals

Edited December 3, 2013 by SingleDad2usc

[ir0nK1visa 2]

YOU MAKE ME LAUGH! Thanks.

When you truly love someone you can only try until it is clearly a mute point. Will you ever know the full story, NO, because even IF i wrote it all you would not know her side. You can make ALL of the assumptions you'd like..such is life. I did not post to gain your trust or prove myself to you. I posted to vent, have others who might encounter a similar situation know they are not allow. In the end maybe someone will learn something..who knows.

YES, my comments open me up to a wide range of responses, which actually have helped me to certain extent. You nor anyone else here can tell me or anyone else what to think or do and act as "holier than thou", as some of your comments sound. No one is PERFECT!

HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL!!

OP made it clear that he wanted to utilize the court date for a "second chance". If not for that, he'd just stay away, forget the out-of-state order, forget about his young estranged (and to be ex-) wife and not post on immigration forum. As Verysadguy pointed out, it was weird OP never petitioned for his wife. Now OP posts on immigration forum about how his wife has no grounds to self-petition.

In the beginning of the topic, OP refused to talk about how this marriage happened. In the middle, OP confessed leaving compromising voicemails. Also confessed to being drunk (a defense?). Confessed numerously of not wanting to leave her alone, and even to seek private meeting around court despite protective order. Now says that it's still very hard for him, but he will finally leave her alone. Amen

[SingleDad2usc 71]

But this is immigration forum. You introduce a topic, which points (you say) to immigration fraud on behalf of your wife's family. You further throw shadow on VAWA rights, putting forward a "clear case" of false VAWA application. Then lurkers or trolls or political shills run with your "evidence" and cry that VAWA is a sham.

You refused to disclose how you "got" your wife; but now you put forward the case with very shady evidence of impropriety of her family's immigration intentions. That's what's bad. You didn't petition for your wife who you deeply loved. And all you have to show for yourself is a case lost in the court of law. Do you feel good throwing shadow on immigration process?

[belinda63 3,041]

Iron, ignore the troll. Carry on with your life. Not all marriages work out. You have done all you can and I am sorry you went through this. Making false claims is easy, defending against them is hard. My ex of 15 years still claims that a certain "Doctor" who was really only a marriage therapist (Master in Socail Work) diagnosed me as bi-polar in 1988 after two 30 minute sessions. Despite seven mental health evaluations by licensed Doctors of Psychology and Psychiatry saying I suffer from nothing more than depression guess who everyone believes?

[ir0nK1visa 2]

FIRST, I could careless what others think or make of MY SITUATION, in particular politicians!! I APPRECIATE CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM, but some of your banter is hilarious.

Second there you go with your "holier than thou" attitude. How dare you say i am "throwing a shadow.." and "very shady evidence of impropriety...". Go back and read some more.

IF she initiated it or someone else on her behalf it becomes LESS FRAUDULENT? Logically explain to me how so...ummhh in my humble opinion no. A false dv call is made to our residence, then a false restraining order(because she was granted the order does not make it less of a falsehood, sadly lies ARE ALLOWED in those hearings..I LIVED IT!) is requested based on the days leading up to the false call. ALL within 1-2 DAYS after I gave her, her ticket back to her country after being here almost 6 months. Put on your rose colored glasses and call that anything, but blatant, clear steps to claim abuse fraudulently and tell someone else that story.

We had an agreement on the AOS paperwork timeline and when we were to send it in all hell broke loose.

In the end, YES IT IS FRAUD! YES, the system allows for this to happen be it the beneficiaries idea or someone elses. YES, the whole process needs to be addressed.

[SingleDad2usc 71]

What hell broke loose? According to you, her family pushed her toward long and hard VAWA trail, just as you were putting in her AOS?

[Caryh 5,206]

FIRST, I could careless what others think or make of MY SITUATION, in particular politicians!! I APPRECIATE CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM, but some of your banter is hilarious.

Second there you go with your "holier than thou" attitude. How dare you say i am "throwing a shadow.." and "very shady evidence of impropriety...". Go back and read some more.

IF she initiated it or someone else on her behalf it becomes LESS FRAUDULENT? Logically explain to me how so...ummhh in my humble opinion no. A false dv call is made to our residence, then a false restraining order(because she was granted the order does not make it less of a falsehood, sadly lies ARE ALLOWED in those hearings..I LIVED IT!) is requested based on the days leading up to the false call. ALL within 1-2 DAYS after I gave her, her ticket back to her country after being here almost 6 months. Put on your rose colored glasses and call that anything, but blatant, clear steps to claim abuse fraudulently and tell someone else that story.

We had an agreement on the AOS paperwork timeline and when we were to send it in all hell broke loose.

In the end, YES IT IS FRAUD! YES, the system allows for this to happen be it the beneficiaries idea or someone elses. YES, the whole process needs to be addressed.

All it takes is her feeling afraid of you to get a restraining order. As you say it, "all hell broke loose", then you bought her a ticket to her home country, then the domestic violence charge. And yes they can bring that because you threaten to make them do something they don't wish to do, like force them to return home. As to the all hell breaking loose, something makes me believe there was a lot of raised voices and yell, and yes that can make someone fearful enough to call the police. Did actually physical contact occur and/or did actual physical abuse occur? Doesn't really matter in terms of getting the protection order. One person's pushing them out the door is another person's getting hit. So much of this is a judgement call on what side you were on and what you feel. Does this mean she'll actually get approved via VAWA? I don't think any of us can say that at this point. Maybe she will, maybe they'll say no way did real abuse occur. If I had a relative, and she was afraid of her husband, and was attempting to force her into doing something she didn't want to do, yelling, pushing, I'd say file a complaint to. This doesn't make it fraudulent, it means I can see a family member's fear. None of this makes it fraudulent. It also doesn't mean its reached the level of abuse to meet the VAWA standard. Unless she asked you to buy a ticket to return to her country, buying one and saying she needs to leave is abuse. Again, is it enough to meet VAWA, I have no idea. But you're using you power as a citizen to control and demand the actions of another. How can you see that not creating fear?

I feel for you. I can see you truly cared and most likely loved her. But maybe you made some mistakes and maybe those same mistakes created enough fear in her that she acceded to the families influence to file domestic violence charges and get a protection order. She has a to loose if the marriage went to the situation where, all hell broke loose, and you forcing the issue of her leaving the country pushed her into a corner. I'm not surprised at the result, even if she still loved you. Its sad really on both sides. I hope you can truly move on and learn from this, but the first thing you should examine is your own mistakes in the situation so you're less likely to repeat them in any future relationship. We're all human, we all make them, and often regret them, but few of us truly admit them to ourselves and learn from them. Its just so much easier to blame something outside of ourselves than face a potentially ugly part of our own selves.

[ir0nK1visa 2]

Agreed and sorry to hear about your situation.

Iron, ignore the troll. Carry on with your life. Not all marriages work out. You have done all you can and I am sorry you went through this. Making false claims is easy, defending against them is hard. My ex of 15 years still claims that a certain "Doctor" who was really only a marriage therapist (Master in Socail Work) diagnosed me as bi-polar in 1988 after two 30 minute sessions. Despite seven mental health evaluations by licensed Doctors of Psychology and Psychiatry saying I suffer from nothing more than depression guess who everyone believes?

[ir0nK1visa 2]

Thank you Caryh.. I know where I erred. Sadly, we both agreed that should she leave, although in the wrong emotional/mental state and worst time for me to act on it. As for the VAWA whatever happens is not my concern. I really wish her the best.

Yes, we had some heated arguments and I MISSED the signs, chances to seek outside help, because it really was us not adapting to each other, well from my part I needed to bend more, I cannot speak for her.

It IS a very SAD way to learn how to avoid a similar situation in the future, but that is all I have left to do.

Is it fraud, to me she has TWO options to stay in the USA, illegally or applying for VAWA. The latter based on false abuse claims and with a protective order in hand, which does not validate there was abuse, with an apparent fear. Knowing I have a job to maintain, child support to provide. It was a well rehearsed act with lies and it hurt to see/hear her doing it, but I forgive her and to certain extent understand why she did it.