Tea Party took $24 billion out of America's economy for NOTHING

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

LOL.

Usually you can muster and argument or at least a clever picture......

What's there to make an argument about? Your attempted comparison between workers on strike and a radical minority laboring feverishly to destroy a country failed in an epic way. Seems that you still don't get it. That being the care, you better drag your knuckles back into your little cave and leave it be.

[BatmanUSA 105]

So the federal government shutdown that the tea party radicals forced on this nation took $24 billion dollars out of our economy and is expected to reduce fourth quarter economic growth from 3% to 2.4% - that's 0.6% of economic growth lost to this sheer and utter nonsense they played. Fewer people working, less economic activity, less income for American families, less taxes coming in meaning bigger deficits and more debt. These idiots have done nothing but damage to the nation. And that is on top of making the US from a once admired nation into the laughing stock of the world. They are destroying America. Bastards!

exactly what was said on MSNBC.!

oh... but you said you don't watch MSNBC.....

can you back up your statistics.???

fewer people working??? who??? the government employees who will ultimately be paid for their time off.???

less income for American families.??? who.???? how???

less taxes coming in.??? did the government stop collecting taxes during the shut down.????

Bigger deficits and more debt.??? how much higher due to Obamacare and his policies over the past 5 years.???

Damage the nation, make it a laughing stock.???? you mean not counting Obama's red line, his promise to end overseas wars and close Gitmo.???

Blah, Blah, Blah.... your post screams, you are obviously an MSNBC/Obama supporter and will blindly follow him and you will repeat every democratic/Obama/Pelosi/Reid/MSNBC, talking point....

[BatmanUSA 105]

Except for the Social Security check they themselves receive and the Mecidcare that they don't want to guvmint involved with. They are all certifiable.

Um, I don't think they believe those funds come from the Government. Those are taken from the bank of Jesus.

Good use of facts and logic.!!! how about using math..???

Social security is a TAX, taken from WORKING AMERICANS, and given to people when they retire... it is not a hand-out, it is not an entitlement... it is the government returning a portion of the peoples money, to the people...

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

Lots of punctuation tells me the argument is solid and the reasoning is sound. Anyone else?

[RGinWA 816]

Good use of facts and logic.!!! how about using math..???

Social security is a TAX, taken from WORKING AMERICANS, and given to people when they retire... it is not a hand-out, it is not an entitlement... it is the government returning a portion of the peoples money, to the people...

Um...where does the government get its money from? Who writes the checks to SSI? Is there a magic printing press for these checks and nobody gets paid? Are fairies at work here?

If it wasn't for the government collecting SS those people would have no signs and nothing to live off.

In essence the government FORCED their citizens to save money...but no, they aren't involved at all. Like the ACA forced them to get health coverage. Sometimes forcing is necessary, but that's another topic.

You guys are brilliant with your arguments.

[jkelly07 120]

did you know ted cruz real name.it's Rafael Edward ted cruz,a freshman only 10 months in office the senate.they went cruzin for a bruising and that is just what they got ted cruz is the top cuckoo.i'm the the piper follow me that was poor strategy

[BatmanUSA 105]

Um...where does the government get its money from? Who writes the checks to SSI? Is there a magic printing press for these checks and nobody gets paid? Are fairies at work here?

If it wasn't for the government collecting SS those people would have no signs and nothing to live off.

In essence the government FORCED their citizens to save money...but no, they aren't involved at all. Like the ACA forced them to get health coverage. Sometimes forcing is necessary, but that's another topic.

You guys are brilliant with your arguments.

I AGREE with you.!

it is government forced savings for retirement, and it is government forced health insurance.

Hmmm.... how can I be pro SS but against ACA.??

can the government return to me all the money they took from me for my SS and stop all future deductions.?

but that would leave me to be responsible for myself, I can live responsibly and retire well or live on a whim and when I am old and in poverty who will help me.?

but they take more money from me now, than they will return when I am old... where does that extra money go.?

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another thought...

I am diabetic, so my health insurance costs are higher than a more healthy man my age...

but under ACA, we both pay the same for health insurance....

so healthy people are paying more because of my genetic health issues...

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hmmm....

but my out of pocket costs/copays are still higher than a healthy man my age because I see my doctor more often, have more diagnostic tests, and take more medications...

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should I be responsible for myself and accept the repercussions, or should I enjoy life as I want and let the government take care of me??

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

exactly what was said on MSNBC.!

oh... but you said you don't watch MSNBC.....

can you back up your statistics.???

fewer people working??? who??? the government employees who will ultimately be paid for their time off.???

less income for American families.??? who.???? how???

less taxes coming in.??? did the government stop collecting taxes during the shut down.????

Bigger deficits and more debt.??? how much higher due to Obamacare and his policies over the past 5 years.???

Damage the nation, make it a laughing stock.???? you mean not counting Obama's red line, his promise to end overseas wars and close Gitmo.???

Blah, Blah, Blah.... your post screams, you are obviously an MSNBC/Obama supporter and will blindly follow him and you will repeat every democratic/Obama/Pelosi/Reid/MSNBC, talking point....

You are some tool. The cost estimate of the government shutdown came from S&P. Look it up before you go on stupid rants that make you look like a fool.

[BatmanUSA 105]

so now instead of quoting MSNBC, you quote S&P....

didn't you say on another thread that S&P was run by Rachel Maddows and Chris Mathews....?

you said you don't watch MSNBC, but you quote them often and you seem to know their characters well...

and as usual you never have solid answers for any of the questions I asked... sorry, not solid answers, you don't have any answers...

oh, that's right, you are the Big Dog... you are above answering questions and you do not use facts and logic, and so you don't annoy anyone... but you sure do provide an immense amount of entertainment..

and that's why I Love you.! :-)

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

so now instead of quoting MSNBC, you quote S&P....

didn't you say on another thread that S&P was run by Rachel Maddows and Chris Mathews....?

you said you don't watch MSNBC, but you quote them often and you seem to know their characters well...

and as usual you never have solid answers for any of the questions I asked... sorry, not solid answers, you don't have any answers...

oh, that's right, you are the Big Dog... you are above answering questions and you do not use facts and logic, and so you don't annoy anyone... but you sure do provide an immense amount of entertainment..

and that's why I Love you.! :-)

Good Lord, I know Chris Wallace. Does that mean I watch Fox? I know Anderson Cooper. Does that make me a CNN consumer? Geez, the nonsense you come up with.

[himher 634]

Let me try to get the point across in a way you might be able to understand: A homicide is not the same as genocide. A shower is not torrential rain. A breeze is not a tornado. Get it?

I don't count on it. And even if they read it, they'll just deny it. They live in alternate realities.

Listen to these thieves point fingers

Which is worse? $24 billion in an attempt to get spending under control or $124 billion in additional interest due in 2014 on just the additional debt accrued in the last five years.

Edited October 20, 2013 by himher

[unsmiley 111]

Good use of facts and logic.!!! how about using math..???

Social security is a TAX, taken from WORKING AMERICANS, and given to people when they retire... it is not a hand-out, it is not an entitlement... it is the government returning a portion of the peoples money, to the people...

Sorry Batman, but people take a lot more out of the system than they put in (no matter how much or little they earn). For example:

the male average earner who retired at age 65 in 2010 paid $345,000 in total Social Security and Medicare taxes in his working years, but will receive $417,000 in total lifetime benefits ($464,000 for a woman). And the gap is even larger with couples.

No, social security is not strictly speaking an "entitlement" since some of the benefits are a return of money workers pay in taxes, but people are not just taking out what they put in. That extra amount that everyone is currently receiving IS a hand out. That is why the system is unsustainable. Everyone knows changes to the formulas must occur or we will all get nothing.

[BatmanUSA 105]

ok...

what is the monthly payment the average earner will receive from SS if he paid $345K into the system.?

how long must he live in order to collect the $417K in total lifetime benefits.?

I am assuming that the study or wherever you got these numbers from would also have the answers to these question..

I agree the system is unsustainable and changes have to be made...

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Sorry Batman, but people take a lot more out of the system than they put in (no matter how much or little they earn). For example:

the male average earner who retired at age 65 in 2010 paid $345,000 in total Social Security and Medicare taxes in his working years, but will receive $417,000 in total lifetime benefits ($464,000 for a woman). And the gap is even larger with couples.

No, social security is not strictly speaking an "entitlement" since some of the benefits are a return of money workers pay in taxes, but people are not just taking out what they put in. That extra amount that everyone is currently receiving IS a hand out. That is why the system is unsustainable. Everyone knows changes to the formulas must occur or we will all get nothing.

and if the money he put in had been invested and not used for other purposes and if Social security had not now become another program for the leaches of society to suck off. He would have way more than 417,00 in the system.

[himher 634]

and if the money he put in had been invested and not used for other purposes and if Social security had not now become another program for the leaches of society to suck off. He would have way more than 417,00 in the system.

Bingo.