Obamacare Will Double My Monthly Premium (according to Kaiser)...Daily Kos.

[Rattlehead 69]

What I want you to do is do a little checking, and see what percentage of the GOP identifies as Social conservative / religious Right... those who hold those issues as "very important." My friend you will see, to alienate this huge base would be a disaster of monumental proportions. It is simple math.

Not to get too long but-

THe Right is in a jam, (of it's own making) It barely wins national elections with them and it could never win without them because trust me, to push these folks to the side would (and I predict will) create a split which moves Democrats to certain victory with unbridled Liberalism as the result.

And if they continue to push for the far-right religious issues, that percentage is the ONLY segment of the population that will vote for them. Alienating that portion will do what? Cause them to vote Democrat? Vote for a third party? Most of the religious right (voters) know full well the consequences of spending a vote on a third party candidate and splitting the vote and (although I think average voter IQ is less than room temp), I think if they can read enough to find a third party candidate, they can figure out that much.

Ignoring the middle to secure what is already relatively secure is a colossal mistake. It's exactly what cost McCain in 2008, and it's going to continue to cost if they continue in that direction.

On-topic: Daily Kos hasn't been relevant since Bush left office and they couldn't find anyone to chant "no blood for oil" to... and they weren't particularly relevant before then. At their zenith they were far-left agitprop, nothing more.

Edited October 17, 2013 by Rattlehead

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

See my friend here is where I think you are mistaken... and it is not because I am a social conservative, I think my predictions on this board stand for them self as I don't even consider my own slant when I make assessments at all. In fact I predicted on Sat, that the Budget deal would be wrapped up by weds.

What you are suggesting is that the party who promises free stuff will be able to get less people to the polls than the party who promises tax cuts for the upper half of the population. That the Right can monopolize civili liberties protection.

That the Right at the grass roots will out-work the left over the issue of tax reform...... even though half the people don't pay taxes and many actually get a refund,

Who do you think turns out to make campaigns work?

-Paid staff

-People fighting for a cause.

OUtside of social issues, the Right cannot field an army to even show up at the polls and vote. Romney knew that which is why he tried to transform his image into a social conservative. Remember he lost due to lack of voting at the base.

You are not alone in your estimation on this topic but it only works in a few districts, not on a national campaign.

What I want you to do is do a little checking, and see what percentage of the GOP identifies as Social conservative / religious Right... those who hold those issues as "very important." My friend you will see, to alienate this huge base would be a disaster of monumental proportions. It is simple math.

Not to get too long but-

THe Right is in a jam, (of it's own making) It barely wins national elections with them and it could never win without them because trust me, to push these folks to the side would (and I predict will) create a split which moves Democrats to certain victory with unbridled Liberalism as the result.

You make some valid points but the Federal govt has no business in our bedrooms our telling us who we can and can not marry . If Christians want moral change then do what the bible say and pray with fervor. Reach out to the world with kindness and humility. Spread grace with your actions..

Christians scream for prayer in public school, but many of those have not prayed at home with their kids ever. They want to change deviant behavior but all the do is condemn and harass those same people.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

And if they continue to push for the far-right religious issues, that percentage is the ONLY segment of the population that will vote for them. Alienating that portion will do what? Cause them to vote Democrat? Vote for a third party? Most of the religious right (voters) know full well the consequences of spending a vote on a third party candidate and splitting the vote and (although I think average voter IQ is less than room temp), I think if they can read enough to find a third party candidate, they can figure out that much.

Ignoring the middle to secure what is already relatively secure is a colossal mistake. It's exactly what cost McCain in 2008, and it's going to continue to cost if they continue in that direction.

On-topic: Daily Kos hasn't been relevant since Bush left office and they couldn't find anyone to chant "no blood for oil" to... and they weren't particularly relevant before then. At their zenith they were far-left agitprop, nothing more.

True words. Fortunately, the far right religious base will continue to hold the GOP back. I applaud them for that.

[Danno 1,228]

You make some valid points but the Federal govt has no business in our bedrooms our telling us who we can and can not marry .

Christians scream for prayer in public school, but many of those have not prayed at home with their kids ever. T

-Let me challenge you a bit. You say- GOv't out of marriage.

Q: Impossible - exhibit A. Name for me the country that has no control on marriage?

Are you trying to invent something new?

-Prayer in school: I don't see any real outcry for it, when it was in school, it was no more than a sectarian prayer, not much more than Congress says every day.

Oddly enough it was completely compatible with the Country and the Supreme Court until what 1964? Odd how long it took to realize it was in violation of the Bill of Rights, .. though no one yet has told us which Church it established.

(For those from Public school, the Constitution forbids CONGRESS from establishing a Religion even though at the time we had Several states With official religions which of course indicates it was only a limit on the US Congress.......but lets not explode anyones head.)

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

And if they continue to push for the far-right religious issues, that percentage is the ONLY segment of the population that will vote for them. Alienating that portion will do what? Cause them to vote Democrat? Vote for a third party? Most of the religious right (voters) know full well the consequences of spending a vote on a third party candidate and splitting the vote and (although I think average voter IQ is less than room temp), I think if they can read enough to find a third party candidate, they can figure out that much.

Ignoring the middle to secure what is already relatively secure is a colossal mistake. It's exactly what cost McCain in 2008, and it's going to continue to cost if they continue in that direction.

On-topic: Daily Kos hasn't been relevant since Bush left office and they couldn't find anyone to chant "no blood for oil" to... and they weren't particularly relevant before then. At their zenith they were far-left agitprop, nothing more.

This is why the GOP will continue to lose. Since America is becoming more diverse and liberal, it's killing them. They need to get with the program before they find themselves wiped out completely.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

See my friend here is where I think you are mistaken... and it is not because I am a social conservative, I think my predictions on this board stand for them self as I don't even consider my own slant when I make assessments at all. In fact I predicted on Sat, that the Budget deal would be wrapped up by weds.

What you are suggesting is that the party who promises free stuff will be able to get less people to the polls than the party who promises tax cuts for the upper half of the population. That the Right can monopolize civili liberties protection.

That the Right at the grass roots will out-work the left over the issue of tax reform...... even though half the people don't pay taxes and many actually get a refund,

Who do you think turns out to make campaigns work?

-Paid staff

-People fighting for a cause.

OUtside of social issues, the Right cannot field an army to even show up at the polls and vote. Romney knew that which is why he tried to transform his image into a social conservative. Remember he lost due to lack of voting at the base.

You are not alone in your estimation on this topic but it only works in a few districts, not on a national campaign.

What I want you to do is do a little checking, and see what percentage of the GOP identifies as Social conservative / religious Right... those who hold those issues as "very important." My friend you will see, to alienate this huge base would be a disaster of monumental proportions. It is simple math.

Not to get too long but-

THe Right is in a jam, (of it's own making) It barely wins national elections with them and it could never win without them because trust me, to push these folks to the side would (and I predict will) create a split which moves Democrats to certain victory with unbridled Liberalism as the result.

I have yet to see this free stuff folks keep talking about. Can someone show me so I can get my free shyt.

Also, Romney lost for quite a few reasons. His own party smeared him, he basically said screw 47% of the American people, and he flipped flopped on many issues. By any standards, as much as the GOP hated Obama, it should have been easy to get a candidate to beat him.

[Danno 1,228]

And if they continue to push for the far-right religious issues, that percentage is the ONLY segment of the population that will vote for them. Alienating that portion will do what? Cause them to vote Democrat? Vote for a third party?

If you looked at the returns of the last election you would know what happens when the Religous Right does not connect with a candidate...... they stay home.

Had Romney simply had the turn out Bush did he would have easily won.

It wasn't that Obama did so well , the election turned on the huge volume of Romeny's base which never showed up to vote.

Now lets suppose Romeny or the GOP was "hostile" or dismissive of this huge voter block, (Which will happen) certainly a 3rd party would form (ineffective as it would be at winning).

[Danno 1,228]

I have yet to see this free stuff folks keep talking about. Can someone show me so I can get my free shyt.

[BatmanUSA 105]

the democrats will continue to win elections and eventually have a majority in both houses and the white house, simply because they give free stuff to the majority of Americans that pay no income tax....

hell, I would vote for the party that offered to give me free stuff... but I am a responsible person, I work, I provide for my family, and save so we can have some extras...

therefore the democrats offer me nothing...

the republicans promote personal responsibility... but those people are in the minority..

eventually, the democrats will have full control of our country.. then, since they do not understand math or logic, the country will fail, and/or become similar to the European union and we will enjoy all the financial hardships that are currently plaguing Europe....

the Democrats, borrow and spend.

the Republicans, tax and spend...

and so Rome again will fall..

[BatmanUSA 105]

When did America stop embracing diversity.???

It is those people, who cheer the downfall of political minorities, that will contribute to the collapse of our country...

[himher 634]

I was not sure about that myself...though I do remember an election where a guy named "Clayton __________" was running for Governor of TX. He was a shoe-in for the win until a reporter interviewed him on a rainy day on the porch of his ranch. The reporter asked if the rain interfered with his ranch business and he replied "Yep...but if yer gonna get raped, just lay back and enjoy it"

He lost the election and laid (pardon the pun) the path open for GWB.

Perhaps that is the reference?

LOL Clayton Williams? "Bad weather is like rape, "If it's inevitable, just relax and enjoy it" Clayton? LOL

What a dumba$$.

Edited October 18, 2013 by himher

[Protocol417 161]

That is why I was saying earlier it is crazy for the Pubs to fight it. Sit back and watch the melt down that is coming. The Mid-Terms will be a blood bath if they can just put a muzzle on Ted Cruz and not give any rape interviews.

Agreed. Watch what happens, THEN react.

And yeah, Ted Cruz is just bad for everybody.

But until we constitutionally require the congress to meet their constitutional duty to produce a budget,,,by FIRING them if they don't...and having new elections, they will do this over and over. It sucks, but we let them get away with it and we give them more weapons to hit us with. I think we have "battered voter" syndrome.

Agreed. The whole "battered voter" thing is an interesting phenomenon... people give such low marks to Congress as a whole, but high marks to their individual Senator or Rep.

I find it odd that none of the Daily Kos Readers/Obamacare supporters have not chimed in on this. I guess they haven't signed up yet.

I don't qualify for the exchanges.

Although I'm neither a Daily Kos readers, or strictly speaking an Obamacare supporter either, oddly enough, even though I was all over the P&R forum on the 16th, I didn't once see this post.

What I was referring to Gary is that Pubs need to go about the business of protecting our civil liberties and bringing spending under control. They need to shut their yap about abortion, Gay marriage and all that ####### that keeps getting them in trouble and distracting from what needs to be done

Anybody with one eye and half a brain can see what massive govt entitlements have done to some minority groups and inner cities. Aid programs that require no conditions just perpetuate poverty not cure it.Anybody who thinks the answer for places like Detroit is more Govt money is insane.

They have also got face the fact that we have got to make Military cuts.We can't be the world police force any longer.We can't afford it

We have got to stem the tide of Illegal immigration, having 12 M illegals in this country working, while almost the same number are mashing their butts collecting benefits is insane

We have got to stop handing out Billions in foreign Aid.

Pubs have got to admit that health care is broken and that we need real sweeping radical changes, Obama careis insane but so is an 2000 dollar trip to the ER for four stitches and the massive burden of Administration we currently face.

I agree with at least half of this. Room for compromise!

With regards to the poor and government benefits, I would be interested to see what would happen if government programs were stopped, however, I would be terrified to force people to live through the potential real-world implications of such an experiment. I don't want to drag this country back to the 20's.

You make some valid points but the Federal govt has no business in our bedrooms our telling us who we can and can not marry . If Christians want moral change then do what the bible say and pray with fervor. Reach out to the world with kindness and humility. Spread grace with your actions..

Christians scream for prayer in public school, but many of those have not prayed at home with their kids ever. They want to change deviant behavior but all the do is condemn and harass those same people.

Another thing I agree with! I knew there was a reason I liked you

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

You make some valid points but the Federal govt has no business in our bedrooms our telling us who we can and can not marry . If Christians want moral change then do what the bible say and pray with fervor. Reach out to the world with kindness and humility. Spread grace with your actions..

Christians scream for prayer in public school, but many of those have not prayed at home with their kids ever. They want to change deviant behavior but all the do is condemn and harass those same people.

I agree with you, as you know, but for a slightly different reason.

I consider RIGHTS supreme. NO level of government should have the authority to DENY rights, especially not based on what we do in our bedrooms. Seriously? Could anything be more absurd? Gays and Lesbians are DENIED rights. They do not need to be "GIVEN" any rights (there are no such things as "Gay Rights") they should be allowed to use the rights we ALL have. Period. The concept of legislation giving a tax incentive, life insurance interest, inheritance rights to one couple because of what they do in the bedroom and deny it to another couple because of what they do in the bedroom is ....insane!

I couldn't really care less about "gays" or "lesbians" but they should have the same rights as the rest of us. Beyond that it is none of my business, none of my concern, and I do not trouble myself with it.

My approach is ALWAYS "Do we need government for this?" If the answer is NO, then GTFO!!!!! There always seems to be the assumption that we are "given rights" by government and that is wrong. Government does not GIVE rights, humans HAVE rights by virtue of being human. We need government to protect our rights and prevent other people from infringing on the ones THEY don't like.

There should be no religion or prayer in public school. Parents and property owners should be able to choose WHICH school gets their tax money. Send your child to a religious school if you want and credit your property tax to their tuition. That is also a RIGHT. .

[BatmanUSA 105]

but Gary.... Obama is the messiah ... He is the final decision maker, I remember he said, the buck stops here, I am ultimately responsible... its true, he said it, and he provides us with the most transparent government EVER...,(also your emails, and phone records, text messages, Skype calls, google searches, facebook and visa journey posts, are all also transparent) and if Obama draws a red line... don't you dare cross it.... if you do, he will send UN inspectors into your bedroom.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

but Gary.... Obama is the messiah ... He is the final decision maker, I remember he said, the buck stops here, I am ultimately responsible... its true, he said it, and he provides us with the most transparent government EVER...,(also your emails, and phone records, text messages, Skype calls, google searches, facebook and visa journey posts, are all also transparent) and if Obama draws a red line... don't you dare cross it.... if you do, he will send UN inspectors into your bedroom.

Someone will be along in a few to point out some mistake Bush or Reagan made that makes it ok

Like I keep saying..Repubs, shut up about obama care the noose is around the dems necks..Lot of I told you so's coming

I saw some idiot on MSNBC try to blame it on Ted Cruz because he had everyone distracted or some such non-sense