10 most Dangerous Neighborhoods in America

[Danno 1,228]

It doesn't matter Danno, all the evidence in the world isn't going to open your eyes.

No, I want evidence.

You never even posted a study, you posted a piece which referred to a study from a near activist org.

To be honest, I thought you could produce such evidence and I bet if I looked into it I could ..... due to social differences between whites and Black schools.

But again, what we need to do is find schools where within the same setting, we are finding a two tiered response, one for Black and one for white.

Yet even in these settings the assumption must be made that the severity of the fight, the response of the students to end the fight, the mitigating reasons for the fight are all Identical between white students and Black students.

From my experience, Black students "tend" to be more difficult for the teacher to restrain. They "tended" to elevate fights into chair throwing and head kicking etc they tend to even physically challenge the Staff more often.

Students actions should be judged by the same measurement.

The complaint you make is one of the reasons for the emergence of "No tolerance rules" where and aspirin is treated as a line of snort

and a fingernail clipper is treated as a dagger

and one shove is the same as stomping someones head.

[Danno 1,228]

Blacks get more jail time:

http://www.allgov.com/news/top-stories/black-americans-given-longer-sentences-than-white-americans-for-same-crimes?news=843984

From your own article-

<<The report concludes that sentence disparities “can be almost completely explained by three factors: the original arrest offense, the defendant’s criminal history, and the prosecutor’s initial choice of charges.”>>

Your first flaw is you are comparing Blacks and whites when there is no comparison.

It would be as silly as questioning why Women are treated different than men.

So that is step one.

Lets look at a graph and we can see the huge social gulf that exists between Blacks and whites, it is as huge as exists between men and women.

Note the jump from white women and white men is near identical as between, White men and Black men.

But as to the question "Why different results for the same crime?"

Again huge differences between Black life and white life, can you honestly say blacks have equal ability to effect those things which decide "charges-Bail-sentancing" consider.

-Prior criminal history

-Gainfully employed.

-Likelihood of repeat behavior.

-Enrolled in education

-Stable family to motivate life change.

-appearance and attitude.

-Community leaders willing to vouch. (teachers, paster, neighbors)

THIS IS WHAT "THE SYSTEM" considers when the file is before them.

This my friend is why my sole message here at VJ goes to the heart of this problem and that is -the breakdown of the family which causes the breakdown of the community.

BUt have good cheer my friend, I have another graph I will post later which will shed light and hope,

but that hope is predicated on the Black community being open to new ideas and question old loyalties which have exacerbated the problems.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

No, I want evidence.

You never even posted a study, you posted a piece which referred to a study from a near activist org.

To be honest, I thought you could produce such evidence and I bet if I looked into it I could ..... due to social differences between whites and Black schools.

But again, what we need to do is find schools where within the same setting, we are finding a two tiered response, one for Black and one for white.

Yet even in these settings the assumption must be made that the severity of the fight, the response of the students to end the fight, the mitigating reasons for the fight are all Identical between white students and Black students.

From my experience, Black students "tend" to be more difficult for the teacher to restrain. They "tended" to elevate fights into chair throwing and head kicking etc they tend to even physically challenge the Staff more often.

Students actions should be judged by the same measurement.

The complaint you make is one of the reasons for the emergence of "No tolerance rules" where and aspirin is treated as a line of snort

and a fingernail clipper is treated as a dagger

and one shove is the same as stomping someones head.

No, you want evidence to justify why you think the way you do.

Once again, you try to say blacks are more difficult than whites. You love facts so much, yet you ignore anything that doesn't back up your agenda. Think about what a black child has to go through on a daily basis. Poverty for blacks and hispanics is worse than it is for whites in every state that they live in:

http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/poverty-rate-by-raceethnicity/

What's even more disturbing is what white people call poverty, blacks and hispanics call middle class. In poor white neighborhoods, they just have to conted with eating and living day to day. In poor black neighborhoods, you're looking at drug dealing, gangs, drive by shootings, problems at home, not to mention a mentality that you're already inferior from birth due to the color of your skin. These kids have to live this nightmare every day. It by God's will one makes it out due to hard work and a bunch of luck, white folks say look anyone can do it. No excuses, while they sit back in safety and deride an entire race of people who have more challenges to overcome than they do.

Folks say look at the culture, it's the problem. Do you remember? It wasn't even 20 years ago, blacks couldn't be portrayed as nothing else but pimps, drug dealers, maids, and gang bangers on TV and movies. Aliens from outer space living among us? Easy to believe for TV. A robot girl as a daughter? No problem. A genie as a companion? No worries. A black doctor? Too unbelievable. The Cosby Show almost didn't happen because execs didn't think they could sell a black doctor and lawyer under the same roof with kids who were all well adjusted(except Theo, but he graduated college). Look at shows during the 90's. Living Single, A different World, Martin. Black folks were doing things positive and trying to change the images you have ingrained in your heads. But now, what sells? Vulgarity, obscene ####### that you hear on the radio and see on TV. It's not just us, look to Jackass and Beavis and Butthead. There's ignorance on both sides.

In order for there to be real change, it has to start from the home. With that I agree. But to say it's all our fault is wrong, and deep down you know it.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

From your own article-

<<The report concludes that sentence disparities “can be almost completely explained by three factors: the original arrest offense, the defendant’s criminal history, and the prosecutor’s initial choice of charges.”>>

Your first flaw is you are comparing Blacks and whites when there is no comparison.

It would be as silly as questioning why Women are treated different than men.

So that is step one.

Lets look at a graph and we can see the huge social gulf that exists between Blacks and whites, it is as huge as exists between men and women.

Note the jump from white women and white men is near identical as between, White men and Black men.

But as to the question "Why different results for the same crime?"

Again huge differences between Black life and white life, can you honestly say blacks have equal ability to effect those things which decide "charges-Bail-sentancing" consider.

-Prior criminal history

-Gainfully employed.

-Likelihood of repeat behavior.

-Enrolled in education

-Stable family to motivate life change.

-appearance and attitude.

-Community leaders willing to vouch. (teachers, paster, neighbors)

THIS IS WHAT "THE SYSTEM" considers when the file is before them.

This my friend is why my sole message here at VJ goes to the heart of this problem and that is -the breakdown of the family which causes the breakdown of the community.

BUt have good cheer my friend, I have another graph I will post later which will shed light and hope,

but that hope is predicated on the Black community being open to new ideas and question old loyalties which have exacerbated the problems.

http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet

In 2002, blacks constituted more than 80% of the people sentenced under the federal crack cocaine laws and served substantially more time in prison for drug offenses than did whites, despite that fact that more than 2/3 of crack cocaine users in the U.S. are white or Hispanic

5 times as many Whites are using drugs as African Americans, yet African Americans are sent to prison for drug offenses at 10 times the rate of Whites

• Inner city crime prompted by social and economic isolation
• Crime/drug arrest rates: African Americans represent 12% of monthly drug users, but comprise 32% of persons arrested for drug possession

How long until you see the game is rigged? Or are you just going to keep trying to point the finger?

[Janelle2002 3,865]

http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet

In 2002, blacks constituted more than 80% of the people sentenced under the federal crack cocaine laws and served substantially more time in prison for drug offenses than did whites, despite that fact that more than 2/3 of crack cocaine users in the U.S. are white or Hispanic

5 times as many Whites are using drugs as African Americans, yet African Americans are sent to prison for drug offenses at 10 times the rate of Whites

• Inner city crime prompted by social and economic isolation
• Crime/drug arrest rates: African Americans represent 12% of monthly drug users, but comprise 32% of persons arrested for drug possession

How long until you see the game is rigged? Or are you just going to keep trying to point the finger?

The problem Marvin, is that he knows the game is rigged. His discussions with us are not about problems that can be fixed and how. His discussions with us is to try and rub it in our face that the game is rigged an he is hoping it stays that way.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

The problem Marvin, is that he knows the game is rigged. His discussions with us are not about problems that can be fixed and how. His discussions with us is to try and rub it in our face that the game is rigged an he is hoping it stays that way.

Pretty much. He's admitted it before a few times that it's rigged and we should just accept it.

[Danno 1,228]

No, you want evidence to justify why you think the way you do.

Once again, you try to say blacks are more difficult than whites. You love facts so much, yet you ignore anything that doesn't back up your agenda. Think about what a black child has to go through on a daily basis. Poverty for blacks and hispanics is worse than it is for whites in every state that they live in:

http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/poverty-rate-by-raceethnicity/

What's even more disturbing is what white people call poverty, blacks and hispanics call middle class. In poor white neighborhoods, they just have to conted with eating and living day to day. In poor black neighborhoods, you're looking at drug dealing, gangs, drive by shootings, problems at home, not to mention a mentality that you're already inferior from birth due to the color of your skin. These kids have to live this nightmare every day. It by God's will one makes it out due to hard work and a bunch of luck, white folks say look anyone can do it. No excuses, while they sit back in safety and deride an entire race of people who have more challenges to overcome than they do.

Folks say look at the culture, it's the problem. Do you remember? It wasn't even 20 years ago, blacks couldn't be portrayed as nothing else but pimps, drug dealers, maids, and gang bangers on TV and movies. Aliens from outer space living among us? Easy to believe for TV. A robot girl as a daughter? No problem. A genie as a companion? No worries. A black doctor? Too unbelievable. The Cosby Show almost didn't happen because execs didn't think they could sell a black doctor and lawyer under the same roof with kids who were all well adjusted(except Theo, but he graduated college). Look at shows during the 90's. Living Single, A different World, Martin. Black folks were doing things positive and trying to change the images you have ingrained in your heads. But now, what sells? Vulgarity, obscene ####### that you hear on the radio and see on TV. It's not just us, look to Jackass and Beavis and Butthead. There's ignorance on both sides.

In order for there to be real change, it has to start from the home. With that I agree. But to say it's all our fault is wrong, and deep down you know it.

I want research. Posting a website which merely speculates about research without producing it, is silly.

I post the most credible sources available (such as the Justice dept.) because I want facts and I want to share facts.

On some level your case has a base but you blame Whites for not doing enough, not giving enough, not helping enough.

Lets consider your statement-

In poor black neighborhoods, you're looking at drug dealing, gangs, drive by shootings, problems at home,

not to mention a mentality that you're already inferior from birth due to the color of your skin. These kids have to live this nightmare every day.

In almost every case, those areas, those neighborhoods were thriving White areas, then as demographics changed ... so did the neighborhood.

How is that everyone else's fault?

As the neighborhood changed, Whites left as did the business community, then Blacks who could get out got out.

Why is it my burden to support generation after generation, areas where people do all they can, to sabotage their life and the lives of their kids?

People are not poor by accident in this country.

Very few people are disabled in some way which prevents then from graduating High school getting a job, marrying someone else that did the same and having kids.

That is the recipe to stay out of poverty.

Mom and Dad making ten- fifteen bucks an hour each makes for a decent life.

Quite misplacing the blame.

Marvin you have no idea of the good will in this country to help those WHO HELP THEM SELF.

Edited October 18, 2013 by Danno

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I want research. Posting a website which merely speculates about research without producing it, is silly.

I post the most credible sources available (such as the Justice dept.) because I want facts and I want to share facts.

On some level your case has a base but you blame Whites for not doing enough, not giving enough, not helping enough.

Lets consider your statement-

In poor black neighborhoods, you're looking at drug dealing, gangs, drive by shootings, problems at home,

not to mention a mentality that you're already inferior from birth due to the color of your skin. These kids have to live this nightmare every day.

In almost every case, those areas, those neighborhoods were thriving White areas, then as demographics changed ... so did the neighborhood.

How is that everyone else's fault?

As the neighborhood changed, Whites left as did the business community, then Blacks who could get out got out.

Why is it my burden to support generation after generation, areas where people do all they can, to sabotage their life and the lives of their kids?

People are not poor by accident in this country.

Very few people are disabled in some way which prevents then from graduating High school getting a job, marrying someone else that did the same and having kids.

That is the recipe to stay out of poverty.

Mom and Dad making ten- fifteen bucks an hour each makes for a decent life.

Quite misplacing the blame.

Marvin you have no idea of the good will in this country to help those WHO HELP THEM SELF.

Good Will? Who do you think put them there? What do you think happened Danno? Blacks were freed and said, you know what? Let's more to the slums, where drugs thrive and our children are gunned down in broad day light.

When white people left, the support systems left with them. Is that our fault Danno? Should we have to live under different terms since we're black ?

You keep putting 100% blame on blacks, I've shown it's more to it than that. So have quite a few others.

[decocker 7,198]

You keep putting 100% blame on blacks, I've shown it's more to it than that. So have quite a few others.

danno himself knows its more than that. he just said "people aren't poor in this country by accident". ain't that the truth.

minorities aren't imprisoned more often and longer than whites by accident either. that would be the design of our war on drugs.

They point out that although Whites and African Americans use and sell drugs at about the same rates, Black men in 2003 were almost 12 times as likely to go to prison as White men. Although Black people are 12 percent of the population and 14 percent of drug users, according to Mauer and Cole, they comprise 34 percent of those arrested for drug offenses and 45 percent of those incarcerated in state prisons for such offenses.

Both men attribute disparities in incarceration rates in part to the way urban Black communities are policed.

"Police find drugs where they look for them," they wrote. "Inner-city, open-air drug markets are easier to bust than those that operate out of suburban basements. And numerous studies show that minorities are stopped by police more often than Whites."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/keith-rushing/the-reasons-why-so-many-b_b_883310.html

[Danno 1,228]

Good Will? Who do you think put them there? What do you think happened Danno? Blacks were freed and said, you know what? Let's more to the slums, where drugs thrive and our children are gunned down in broad day light.

When white people left, the support systems left with them. Is that our fault Danno? Should we have to live under different terms since we're black ?

You keep putting 100% blame on blacks, I've shown it's more to it than that. So have quite a few others.

Marvin, sadly we see the same story in places where cotton fields never existed.

We see the same thing in the very nation which lead the world away from slavery.... THE UK

IT is troubling that you believe, the only way for a community to exist, is for other people to build it and leave to them.

Every community in this country was started by people who showed up ekked out a living, formed a community then organized as a town and through collective effort grew it. Blacks did the same thing , just research "Historic Black communities."

What is going on now where they are having trouble even maintaining the up and running areas they inherited?

When Mayor Young took over Detroit, it was still a vibrant city but he and others ran it into the ground by loosing the tax base and by not diversifying.

Pittsburg is perhaps the most "livable city" in the country, even though it faced the total collapse of the Steel industry.

Families build communities, communities build cities and from them spring nations.

We have got to face this fact.

The decline of the Black family is the problem.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Marvin, sadly we see the same story in places where cotton fields never existed.

We see the same thing in the very nation which lead the world away from slavery.... THE UK

IT is troubling that you believe, the only way for a community to exist, is for other people to build it and leave to them.

Every community in this country was started by people who showed up ekked out a living, formed a community then organized as a town and through collective effort grew it. Blacks did the same thing , just research "Historic Black communities."

What is going on now where they are having trouble even maintaining the up and running areas they inherited?

When Mayor Young took over Detroit, it was still a vibrant city but he and others ran it into the ground by loosing the tax base and by not diversifying.

Pittsburg is perhaps the most "livable city" in the country, even though it faced the total collapse of the Steel industry.

Families build communities, communities build cities and from them spring nations.

We have got to face this fact.

The decline of the Black family is the problem.

Okay Danno, I am ready to hear your solution to how the "black problems" can be fixed.

Something other than wipe out the entire black race.

Thanks

Edited October 18, 2013 by Janelle2002

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Marvin, sadly we see the same story in places where cotton fields never existed.

We see the same thing in the very nation which lead the world away from slavery.... THE UK

IT is troubling that you believe, the only way for a community to exist, is for other people to build it and leave to them.

Every community in this country was started by people who showed up ekked out a living, formed a community then organized as a town and through collective effort grew it. Blacks did the same thing , just research "Historic Black communities."

What is going on now where they are having trouble even maintaining the up and running areas they inherited?

When Mayor Young took over Detroit, it was still a vibrant city but he and others ran it into the ground by loosing the tax base and by not diversifying.

Pittsburg is perhaps the most "livable city" in the country, even though it faced the total collapse of the Steel industry.

Families build communities, communities build cities and from them spring nations.

We have got to face this fact.

The decline of the Black family is the problem.

You quoted White Flight before. Do you know the real meaing of the word?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight

Roads

The roads built via the National Interstate and Defense Highways Act (1956) and its successors served to transport suburbanites to their city jobs, thus facilitating the development of these suburbs, and shifting the tax base away from the city and out to the suburbs. This may have exacerbated urban decay.^[21] In some cases, such as in the Southern United States, local governments used highway road constructions to deliberately divide and isolate black neighborhoods from goods and services, often within industrial corridors. In Birmingham, Alabama, the local government used the post–World War II interstate highway system to perpetuate the racial residence-boundaries the city established with a 1926 racial zoning law. Constructing interstate highways through majority-black neighborhoods eventually reduced the populations to the poorest proportion of people financially unable to leave their destroyed community.^[22]

Urban decay is the sociological process whereby a city, or part of a city, falls into disrepair and decrepitude. Its characteristics are depopulation, economic restructuring, abandoned buildings, high local unemployment, fragmented families, political disenfranchisement, crime, and a desolate, inhospitable city landscape. White flight contributed to the draining of cities' tax bases when middle-class people left.

In the 1970s and 1980s, urban decay was associated with Western cities, especially in North America and parts of Europe. In that time, major structural changes in global economies, transportation, and government policy created the economic, then social, conditions resulting in urban decay.^[25] Urban decay contradicts the urban development of most of Europe and North America, in countries beyond, urban decay is manifest in the peripheral slums at the outskirts of a metropolis, while the city center and the inner city retain high real estate values and sustain a steadily increasing population.^[17]

North American cities suffered white flight to the suburbs and exurb commuter towns, which^[17] started to reverse in the 1990s, when the rich suburbanites returned to cities, gentrifying the decayed urban neighborhoods. Blight is another characteristic of urban decay. Abandoned properties attract criminals and street gangs, contributing to crime. Urban decay has no single cause; it results from combinations of inter-related socio-economic conditions – including the city’s urban planning decisions, the poverty of the local populace, the construction of neighborhood-excluding freeway roads and rail road lines,^[26] depopulation by suburbanization of peripheral lands, real estate neighborhood redlining,^[27] immigration restrictions,^[28] and racial discrimination.

Government-aided white flight

New municipalities were established beyond the abandoned city’s jurisdiction to avoid the legacy costs of maintaining city infrastructures; instead new governments spent taxes to establish suburban infrastructures. The federal government contributed to white flight and the early decay of non-white city neighborhoods by withholding maintenance capital mortgages, thus making it difficult for the communities to either retain or attract middle-class residents.^[29]

The new suburban communities limited the emigration of poor and non-white residents from the city by restrictive zoning, thus few lower-middle-class people could afford a house in the suburbs. Many all-white suburbs were eventually annexed to the cities their residents had left. For instance, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, partially annexed towns such as Granville, Wisconsin; the (then) Mayor, Frank P. Zeidler complained about the socially destructive "Iron Ring" of new municipalities incorporated in the post–World War II decade.^[30] Analogously, semi-rural communities, such as Oak Creek, South Milwaukee, and Franklin, formally incorporated as discrete entities to escape urban annexation. Wisconsin state law had allowed Milwaukee’s annexation of such rural and suburban regions that did not qualify for discrete incorporation per the legal incorporation standards.

The UK has some of the same theories as the US when it comes to black people. Remember when those black muslims killed those soliders over there? They were ready to export every person of color and Muslim from there. If it were Europeans, they would have just locked them up and kept it moving. You choose to ignore the fact that being black is a trial within itself. White mass murderers get treated better than black men who never killed anyone.

So, is it still our fault Danno? Not like the federal government was out to get us or anything...

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I have found more reliable sources on this subject. Last night I was trying to get them out before the missus got home.

http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/black_prisoners_tend_to_serve_longer_sentences_than_whites

There are quite a few articles that go into great detail about this. It's no secret.

Ha ha you whipped Bro

Me too

I know sometimes it is not. But the problem is eventually the lines blur soo much that it is hard to make a determination on when it is and when it is not. Sadly

And good for your company. There is nothing wrong with a little diversity. It is fun when people have different backgrounds and stories.

But you do know the story of the little boy that cried wolf

we hear it so much and so many times it is a smokescreen, that we just don't care anymore.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Ha ha you whipped Bro

Me too

But you do know the story of the little boy that cried wolf

we hear it so much and so many times it is a smokescreen, that we just don't care anymore.

Pretty much. Even when I have the laptop turned away from her she can always tell because I type faster and look more intense than when casually browsing.

As much as you are sick of hearing about it, trust me, we are just as sick of going though it all the damn time.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

The problem Marvin, is that he knows the game is rigged. His discussions with us are not about problems that can be fixed and how. His discussions with us is to try and rub it in our face that the game is rigged an he is hoping it stays that way.

Your right it is rigged. with the advent of generational government substance, and no pressure to support the off spring they have, I can tell you what we have locally.

Almost 90% of black children locally are born to single moms. ( ironically that is about the same % of crime committed by Blacks in our area.

Over 60% of young black males drop out of high school

Our county has a 51% High school drop out rate

You are right..Kind of hard for a 3rd generation government supported high school drop out to compete against the Kids that study, go to Vo-tech and college.

So tell me how to change it. We spend more on education than ever before. We spend more on entitlements than ever before. Yet oddly the problem is worse.

I think the number one single thing..Stop paying kids to have kids. Make getting pregnant a burden, stop handing kids a fistful of food stamps and a Snap card when they get knocked up. An African born and raised OB doc, told me he is amazed that we reward behavior that is strangling our youth but expect it to get better. he deliveries the pay check babies that are being spit out at record rates by girls as young as 13 years old.

So tell me how to fix it..More money is not an acceptable answer.it will only create more of the same

One more point..You know who is doing many of the jobs the unskilled use to do in our area. You got it..Illegal Ailens