Will the 1991 Biography Discovery Force Obama to Open the Hood?

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Uhhhh you do know that it's just a given "the blacks" and "latinos" are less qualified right? He did say not to bother challenging him on things that involved silly things like "facts".

This is what they think, they can't say it out loud.

You better pull up a chair. I suspect you'll be waiting awhile.

Oh, I'm sitting down. I just want to see how this will turn out.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

It won't. He will quote some study that's completely unrelated to anything, but he will claim it proves his point and that you just can't handle "the facts"..

[RGinWA 816]

Now wait a minute, are you diverting from Lib Orthodoxy here?

I thought there was no such thing as race, just the Human race and here you are punishing people who have done no wrong to anyone... just for sharing skin color with someone else?

What gives?

By the way, people like me don't ride the bus.

I don't come with my opinions preformed in a little box stamped "liberal". So I can't always please your narrow mindedness.

I know you expound a fairly old and tired "philosophy", where the white man is now being discriminated against by all the laws enacted to help support integration into the areas minorities and women were once banned from. I get it...I'm sure it makes sense to you and your friends.

There are many many good people of all colors in this world. And yes I am color blind in that regard. I make my mind up by considering who is decent by their words and their actions. Your words speak volumes about a mind that has been programed to look at the world with a certain judgement of people and a disdain for less fortunate. You've created a world of white unfairness...I get it.

I meet people of all colors with this same whiny persona about how its such a burden to be in America being whatever color. There is a difference recognizing a thing for what it is like racism and then allow that racism to stop you. That's now called the race card if it's discussed openly. And it's only called that because its become a cleaver way to dismiss it.

I say you'll be the minority because you and people that "think like you" will have to suddenly face that reality. Will people treat whites the same what they've been treated in the past? I doubt that very much and I know I will not, nor will my children. I didn't raise them to hate being alive, I raised them to try and enjoy this life and assist others if they can. So they too will not fit into your box based on race.

Nothing anyone says is going to change you. You've sentenced yourself to perpetual angst and for me personally I sort of enjoy knowing you have to live with that everyday.

So expound the ignorance, pettiness and anger...sometimes your posts brighten up my whole day.

And yes people like you do ride the bus. Sad thing is you don't really know you're on it and I hate to tell you that it's a short one.

Have a great day...

[Danno 1,228]

Still waiting...

Show me where AA says they have to hire folks that are less qualified.

First of all Marvin, we must first understand AA is about much more than just getting a job?

Is it because you know how it works in education?

Speaking of....

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What Happens Without Affirmative Action: The Story Of UCLA

The Supreme Court is expected to rule this week on a case that may shake up race-conscious admissions in higher education. The justices could change the shape of affirmative action or even strike it down altogether.

California is one of eight states that have already scrapped affirmative action. That means state schools can no longer consider the race of its applicants. At the University of California, Los Angeles, the change has been messy, ambiguous — and sometimes a little ugly.

After the state passed the ban in 1996, the percentages of black and Latino students at UCLA quickly began to fall. Things came to a head in 2006. That year, in a freshman class of nearly 5,000 students, just 96 were African-American.

Corey Matthews — one of the "Infamous 96," as those students came to be known — said it shaped his experience at the huge school. Even in lecture halls filled with hundreds of students, he says, he was often the only African-American student.

UCLA realized there was a problem, so it decided to start something called "holistic review," taking into consideration a wide range of factors in its admissions decisions — from GPA, to family income, to whether an applicant was the first in the family to go to college. Race was not one of the factors, but indeed, the percentages of black and Latino students began to rebound.

Then things got complicated again.

Last year, a UCLA professor released a study claiming the school was letting some black and Latino students in at higher rates than white or Asian students who should have ranked just the same under the new holistic review.

In other words, the study said, UCLA was breaking California law and instituting affirmative action.

UCLA's newspaper, Daily Bruin, published a story on the study and ran an opinion piece suggesting the school re-evaluate its admissions policy.

In response, student groups led rallies to protest the study and the Daily Bruin. They said a reference in an op-ed to an "undue percentage" of minority students was offensive and minimized those students' hard work.

"The reaction was not pretty," James Barragan, the paper's editor in chief, tells NPR's Rachel Martin.

"I got a long email calling me an embarrassment to my race because I wasn't supporting the cause," he says.

Barragan, whose parents are Mexican, says he agrees that the goal should be to get more racial diversity on campus — but only if it is done fairly.

"We feared at the paper, once we saw the study, that this diversity was coming at a cost of other students who were also qualified to be there and maybe weren't getting the same opportunity," he said.

UCLA says it stands by its admissions policy and points to a review by faculty that refutes the study's findings. A school spokesperson told NPR that UCLA's holistic review is not only legal, but also a fairer and more equitable way to evaluate applicants in an increasingly diverse state.

If the Supreme Court finds affirmative action unconstitutional this week, a lot of schools could wind up facing the same dilemma UCLA has dealt with for nearly two decades.

http://www.npr.org/2013/06/23/194656555/what-happens-without-affirmative-action-the-story-of-ucla

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I don't come with my opinions preformed in a little box stamped "liberal". So I can't always please your narrow mindedness.

I know you expound a fairly old and tired "philosophy", where the white man is now being discriminated against by all the laws enacted to help support integration into the areas minorities and women were once banned from. I get it...I'm sure it makes sense to you and your friends.

There are many many good people of all colors in this world. And yes I am color blind in that regard. I make my mind up by considering who is decent by their words and their actions. Your words speak volumes about a mind that has been programed to look at the world with a certain judgement of people and a disdain for less fortunate. You've created a world of white unfairness...I get it.

I meet people of all colors with this same whiny persona about how its such a burden to be in America being whatever color. There is a difference recognizing a thing for what it is like racism and then allow that racism to stop you. That's now called the race card if it's discussed openly. And it's only called that because its become a cleaver way to dismiss it.

I say you'll be the minority because you and people that "think like you" will have to suddenly face that reality. Will people treat whites the same what they've been treated in the past? I doubt that very much and I know I will not, nor will my children. I didn't raise them to hate being alive, I raised them to try and enjoy this life and assist others if they can. So they too will not fit into your box based on race.

Nothing anyone says is going to change you. You've sentenced yourself to perpetual angst and for me personally I sort of enjoy knowing you have to live with that everyday.

So expound the ignorance, pettiness and anger...sometimes your posts brighten up my whole day.

And yes people like you do ride the bus. Sad thing is you don't really know you're on it and I hate to tell you that it's a short one.

Have a great day...

It's a shame I can't +1 this again. It's a bigger shame that Danno won't be able to respond to this since it flies in the face of every thing he believes in.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

First of all Marvin, we must first understand AA is about much more than just getting a job?

Is it because you know how it works in education?

Speaking of....

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

What Happens Without Affirmative Action: The Story Of UCLA

The Supreme Court is expected to rule this week on a case that may shake up race-conscious admissions in higher education. The justices could change the shape of affirmative action or even strike it down altogether.

California is one of eight states that have already scrapped affirmative action. That means state schools can no longer consider the race of its applicants. At the University of California, Los Angeles, the change has been messy, ambiguous — and sometimes a little ugly.

After the state passed the ban in 1996, the percentages of black and Latino students at UCLA quickly began to fall. Things came to a head in 2006. That year, in a freshman class of nearly 5,000 students, just 96 were African-American.

Corey Matthews — one of the "Infamous 96," as those students came to be known — said it shaped his experience at the huge school. Even in lecture halls filled with hundreds of students, he says, he was often the only African-American student.

UCLA realized there was a problem, so it decided to start something called "holistic review," taking into consideration a wide range of factors in its admissions decisions — from GPA, to family income, to whether an applicant was the first in the family to go to college. Race was not one of the factors, but indeed, the percentages of black and Latino students began to rebound.

Then things got complicated again.

Last year, a UCLA professor released a study claiming the school was letting some black and Latino students in at higher rates than white or Asian students who should have ranked just the same under the new holistic review.

In other words, the study said, UCLA was breaking California law and instituting affirmative action.

UCLA's newspaper, Daily Bruin, published a story on the study and ran an opinion piece suggesting the school re-evaluate its admissions policy.

In response, student groups led rallies to protest the study and the Daily Bruin. They said a reference in an op-ed to an "undue percentage" of minority students was offensive and minimized those students' hard work.

"The reaction was not pretty," James Barragan, the paper's editor in chief, tells NPR's Rachel Martin.

"I got a long email calling me an embarrassment to my race because I wasn't supporting the cause," he says.

Barragan, whose parents are Mexican, says he agrees that the goal should be to get more racial diversity on campus — but only if it is done fairly.

"We feared at the paper, once we saw the study, that this diversity was coming at a cost of other students who were also qualified to be there and maybe weren't getting the same opportunity," he said.

UCLA says it stands by its admissions policy and points to a review by faculty that refutes the study's findings. A school spokesperson told NPR that UCLA's holistic review is not only legal, but also a fairer and more equitable way to evaluate applicants in an increasingly diverse state.

If the Supreme Court finds affirmative action unconstitutional this week, a lot of schools could wind up facing the same dilemma UCLA has dealt with for nearly two decades.

http://www.npr.org/2013/06/23/194656555/what-happens-without-affirmative-action-the-story-of-ucla

I'm sorry, where does anywhere in this article does it say less qualified?

[Danno 1,228]

I don't come with my opinions preformed in a little box stamped "liberal". So I can't always please your narrow mindedness.

I know you expound a fairly old and tired "philosophy", where the white man is now being discriminated against by all the laws enacted to help support integration into the areas minorities and women were once banned from. I get it...I'm sure it makes sense to you and your friends.

There are many many good people of all colors in this world. And yes I am color blind in that regard. I make my mind up by considering who is decent by their words and their actions. Your words speak volumes about a mind that has been programed to look at the world with a certain judgement of people and a disdain for less fortunate. You've created a world of white unfairness...I get it.

I meet people of all colors with this same whiny persona about how its such a burden to be in America being whatever color. There is a difference recognizing a thing for what it is like racism and then allow that racism to stop you. That's now called the race card if it's discussed openly. And it's only called that because its become a cleaver way to dismiss it.

I say you'll be the minority because you and people that "think like you" will have to suddenly face that reality. Will people treat whites the same what they've been treated in the past? I doubt that very much and I know I will not, nor will my children. I didn't raise them to hate being alive, I raised them to try and enjoy this life and assist others if they can. So they too will not fit into your box based on race.

Nothing anyone says is going to change you. You've sentenced yourself to perpetual angst and for me personally I sort of enjoy knowing you have to live with that everyday.

So expound the ignorance, pettiness and anger...sometimes your posts brighten up my whole day.

And yes people like you do ride the bus. Sad thing is you don't really know you're on it and I hate to tell you that it's a short one.

Have a great day...

Bro you are so far out of touch with how the real world works..... in your mind being a minority means what?

Begging for scraps,

Watching others excel past you.

Feeling inferior.

Jews are a Minority... how are they doing?

The chinese are a small minority in the many countries they have branched out into, even though the cards are stacked against them by law, yet they still rise to the top of the economic ladder.

Let give you a tip, in any free society people rise and fall by things that have nothing to do with their appearance.

In reality our future problem is going to be the class divide, the haves and the have-not.

What you see now, is what you are likely to see then only more sharply.

Consider Brazil.

[Danno 1,228]

I'm sorry, where does anywhere in this article does it say less qualified?

MArvin, you push me, you make me do it.

You do realize that on SAT scores, Whites in the very lowest incomes category, out preform Blacks in the $60,000 per year catagory.

If you think for a minute blacks and Whites are on equal footing applying for college, you are dreaming.

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Wide racial gap persists in education testing

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/09/22/wide-racial-gap-persists-in-testing.html

Even if they come from affluent families or attend highly rated schools, black students in Ohio continue to lag far behind their white peers in school, according to a Dispatchanalysis of data from state standardized exams.

On more than two dozen state tests given to students in kindergarten through high school last year, the average passage rate among black students was 64 percent. On average, 87 percent of white students passed.

Disparities between races have existed across the country since schools were physically divided by race, researchers say, but many now view those gaps largely as a product of high poverty among minorities.

In Ohio, though, wide race gaps persist even on a level economic field.

Average passing rates among affluent white students last year topped those of affluent black students by 16 percentage points. Poor, white students outperformed black students from poor and wealthy families.

Disparities between races had been narrowing until about five years ago, data show, but the numbers have changed little since then. Now, amid a renewed focus on the topic, schools face increasing pressure to close gaps.

New state report cards penalized schools this year if certain student groups, including racial minorities, didn’t improve enough over a year. Schools that have long earned high overall marks received D’s and F’s in that area.

<snip>

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

MArvin, you push me, you make me do it.

You do realize that on SAT scores, Whites in the very lowest incomes category, out preform Blacks in the $60,000 per year catagory.

If you think for a minute blacks and Whites are on equal footing applying for college, you are dreaming.

-------------------------------

Wide racial gap persists in education testing

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/09/22/wide-racial-gap-persists-in-testing.html

Even if they come from affluent families or attend highly rated schools, black students in Ohio continue to lag far behind their white peers in school, according to a Dispatchanalysis of data from state standardized exams.

On more than two dozen state tests given to students in kindergarten through high school last year, the average passage rate among black students was 64 percent. On average, 87 percent of white students passed.

Disparities between races have existed across the country since schools were physically divided by race, researchers say, but many now view those gaps largely as a product of high poverty among minorities.

In Ohio, though, wide race gaps persist even on a level economic field.

Average passing rates among affluent white students last year topped those of affluent black students by 16 percentage points. Poor, white students outperformed black students from poor and wealthy families.

Disparities between races had been narrowing until about five years ago, data show, but the numbers have changed little since then. Now, amid a renewed focus on the topic, schools face increasing pressure to close gaps.

New state report cards penalized schools this year if certain student groups, including racial minorities, didn’t improve enough over a year. Schools that have long earned high overall marks received D’s and F’s in that area.

<snip>

Racial disparities go beyond income, experts say, but wealth plays a role.

The poverty rate among blacks in the U.S. –– 25.8 percent, according to Census data –– is higher than any other race except Native Americans. Poor families, in turn, more often face lower-quality preschool options, researchers say.

“These gaps are traceable back to early-childhood education,” said Shaun Harper, the director of the University of Pennsylvania Center for the Study of Race and Equity in Education. “If kids show up in kindergarten not having had high-quality instruction in preschool, they’re already starting behind.”

Coupled with teachers who lack the training to help, gaps remain, Harper said.

Beyond poverty, though, some say schools set the bar too low for minorities.

“We expect less of our low-income students and students of color,” said Natasha Ushomirsky, senior data and policy analyst for Education Trust, a Washington, D.C., nonprofit group that works to close achievement gaps.

Studies have found that black and Latino students are less likely to be placed in advanced courses, even if they show promise in a subject. Minority students are also more likely to be taught by less-experienced teachers.

“Our school system is set up in a way that makes these gaps worse rather than making them better,” Ushomirsky said.

Where students live is as important as family income in Ohio, said Damon Asbury, legislative director for the Ohio School Boards Association. Minorities are more likely to live in high concentrations of poverty, he said, while poor, white students might live in safer areas with more public resources.

And now for the rest of the story.

[RGinWA 816]

in your mind being a minority means what?

I don't know what it means, but I'm sure you'll be able to tell me in about 12 years or maybe sooner if immigration is passed.

But like I said, you don't get it and I don't expect you to. Some people just aren't very enlightened and that's ok.

My future is always bright no matter who's the minority...how's yours looking?

Enjoy your evening.

[Danno 1,228]

I don't know what it means, but I'm sure you'll be able to tell me in about 12 years or maybe sooner if immigration is passed.

But like I said, you don't get it and I don't expect you to. Some people just aren't very enlightened and that's ok.

My future is always bright no matter who's the minority...how's yours looking?

Enjoy your evening.

Eww, now I am scared.

Let me give you a tip, for the next hundred years, there will be areas in the country to migrate to that will be plenty white.

You don't know how demographic shifts work.... but thats what I am here for.

Take a tiny group Like the Chinese before mass immigration began, they were less than one percent of the population (by far) yet they still managed to create whole Chinese communities.

Cubans, a minuscule population, did the same thing and we can go on. What makes you think that in little more than a decade this would not be true for whites?

Now granted on the national political front, it does get more difficult for whites and Blacks to have their voices heard as well but Jews have clearly taught us political power is not only for the most populous groups.

Look I appreciate the trash talking but please include a little something thought provoking, an actual point founded on reason of data.

[Jacque67 7,328]

Eww, now I am scared.

Let me give you a tip, for the next hundred years, there will be areas in the country to migrate to that will be plenty white.

You don't know how demographic shifts work.... but thats what I am here for.

Take a tiny group Like the Chinese before mass immigration began, they were less than one percent of the population (by far) yet they still managed to create whole Chinese communities.

Cubans, a minuscule population, did the same thing and we can go on. What makes you think that in little more than a decade this would not be true for whites?

Now granted on the national political front, it does get more difficult for whites and Blacks to have their voices heard as well but Jews have clearly taught us political power is not only for the most populous groups.

Look I appreciate the trash talking but please include a little something thought provoking, an actual point founded on reason of data.

White what? Danish, French, Scottish, Catholic,Protestant? Too disparate.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

White what? Danish, French, Scottish, Catholic,Protestant? Too disparate.

This is Danno we are talking about. Please do not expect any kind of logic out of him.

[Danno 1,228]

White what? Danish, French, Scottish, Catholic,Protestant? Too disparate.

Ahhh I responded to his generalization, you looked right past his and jumped to my reply.

Even so I won't be as disingenuous as you.

150 years ago there were distinctions between different European immigrants, today, due to a number of reasons, they have all melded into one block. so much that those with french ancestry are indistinguishable from Poles to the average person.

So I think he is correct to use the inference, White, as it does reflect the way we perceive that group in general.

Naturally one could magnify the edges of this group and ask silly "where are the boundaries" of being white, but these are silly distractions as the vast majority of people have no problem to self identify or Identifying others..... even if the assessment is not absolute, at the smallest degree.

By the same measuring stick, Blacks and others identify as African, Asian or whatever and we all know or should know, Africa is a continent ...as is Europe.

Edited October 18, 2013 by Danno

[Danno 1,228]

This is Danno we are talking about. Please do not expect any kind of logic out of him.

Q: Would you be able to identify Logic if you saw it Janelle?