2 in custody for shooting of 5 at Tulsa event

[Penny Lane 8,159]

If you don't think America is the best, you should leave.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

If you don't think America is the best, you should leave.

But then I'll be accused of engaging in white flight. Now what?

[Danno 1,228]

No reason to yell at me.

By the way, my monthly mortgage (well, rent in my case) and car payments are expected and measured, and I have control over them (as in, I can pick the apartment or car that fits my budget). I do not have control over how much an emergency room visit (or any doctors visit, really) will cost me, nor do I have, in most cases, any way of predicting when those costs will hit.

Therefore, I do not worry about my rent or car payment, but I do worry about hospital costs.

Now don't get me wrong, I completely understand how getting everyone else to pitch in.... for your Doc bills is much more preferable,

in fact it plays right along with the expectation of every one of these popular programs.

We will pay less into it than we get out of it.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

If you don't think America is the best, you should leave.

Why? It is our country and it is our country's responsibility to keep their citizens safe and do what we elect them to do instead of profiting for themselves and leaving us with scraps.

Edited October 14, 2013 by Janelle2002

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Why? It is our country and it is our country's responsibility to keep their citizens safe and do what we elect them to do instead of profiting for themselves and leaving us with scraps.

America is #1. Love it or leave it.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Now don't get me wrong, I completely understand how getting everyone else to pitch in.... for your Doc bills is much more preferable,

in fact it plays right along with the expectation of every one of these popular programs.

We will pay less into it than we get out of it.

Actually no. For the US health care system it is true that we pay more into it than we get out of it. It's a high cost low return system. Well, it's high return for medical-pharmaceutical complex investors and executives but not for the customers of the system. On the old continent, everyone pays into the system and everyone gets out of it what their health situation requires. It works very well. Much better than the sorry excuse for a healthcare system that a private enterprise fetish has burdened the American people and economy with.

[Danno 1,228]

Why? It is our country and it is our country's responsibility to keep their citizens safe and do what we elect them to do instead of profiting for themselves and leaving us with scraps.

Where does the expectation come from that you are entitled to scraps or more from Gov't?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

America is #1. Love it or leave it.

America is #1. In preventable deaths.

Can I stay now?

[Danno 1,228]

Actually no. For the US health care system it is true that we pay more into it than we get out of it. It's a high cost low return system. Well, it's high return for medical-pharmaceutical complex investors and executives but not for the customers of the system. On the old continent, everyone pays into the system and everyone gets out of it what their health situation requires. It works very well. Much better than the sorry excuse for a healthcare system that a private enterprise fetish has burdened the American people and economy with.

You have been trying to "fix" the system for years, with every new demand or control mechanism you drive the price higher.

Yet you now have another means to deliver "Affordable care" ....

Just leave it alone will'ya.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

I can't imagine anyone who loves this country truly wants people to leave the healthcare system alone.

It's broken and NEEDS fixing.

Edited October 14, 2013 by Penny Lane

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

You have been trying to "fix" the system for years, with every new demand or control mechanism you drive the price higher.

Yet you now have another means to deliver "Affordable care" ....

Just leave it alone will'ya.

This system is beyond repair. Unfortunately, America will not support a working system until the current one takes the economy down with it. It is what it is. Nobody's been trying to fix the system - the only thing that happened is an attempt to make the crappy system accessible for more people. It's about time that we don't stand by idly while tens of thousands of Americans die preventable deaths every year for they cannot afford the care they need to live. I know you're scared to be dragged out of that cave and pick your knuckles off the floor but this is the 21st century, you know?

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Where does the expectation come from that you are entitled to scraps or more from Gov't?

We get thrown trash from the government. Trash health care, trashy laws, then they bicker with each other like grumpy old mean or mean girls at a tea parties.

It is disgusting.

[Danno 1,228]

Even our Immigrants are catching on to the relaxed gun laws.

http://news.yahoo.com/2-custody-shooting-5-tulsa-event-163806707.html

TULSA, Okla. (AP) — Gunfire that left five people injured at a traditional Hmong New Year's festival rattled a peaceful, tight-knit east Tulsa community, where some feared Sunday the rampage could deter others from attending upcoming cultural celebrations.

"It's really sad because a lot of people do not feel safe to go to the other New Year's celebrations. I know there are people who don't want to attend that anymore," said Joua Xiong, who attended Saturday's celebration along with hundreds of other Hmong people and heard the gunfire break out. "It's very sad because this is the only time we really get to embrace our culture and unite as one.

"And I know a lot of other people will not come (to the Oct. 26-27 event) because of that," she said.

Hmong are an Asian ethnic group hailing from countries including Laos, China, Vietnam and Thailand. The Hmong population in Tulsa is between 3,000 and 4,000. Many Hmong have traveled to Tulsa from across the country during recent years seeking jobs.

Two men have been taken into custody and face multiple charges in the shooting of five people at Saturday's festival, authorities said Sunday. Authorities were holding 21-year-old Boonmlee Lee and 19-year-old Meng Lee, both of Tulsa. Each faces five counts of shooting with intent to kill plus firearms charges.

It was not clear from jail records whether each had an attorney. An arraignment is pending.

Tulsa police spokesman Capt. Steve Odom said a gun was recovered but that it will have to be tested to see if it is linked to the Saturday night shooting. Odom said the alleged shooters and the victims were all Hmong and that there was "probably a relationship" between the men charged and the victims.

The suspects were arrested shortly after the attack, which happened about 8 p.m. A police helicopter that was in the area spotted a car driving away from the scene with its headlights off and notified officers on the ground, who pulled it over.

The suspects had thrown clothes and a semi-automatic handgun believed to have been used in the attack out of the vehicle, police said.

A witness at the party described the chaotic scene, as people lined up to get dinner were sent running and ducking for cover when the shots rang out. There were at least 200 people at the celebration, which festival-goers likened to a Thanksgiving celebration in America.

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For Xiong, who was walking with her family to get dinner Saturday night at the festival, she heard a loud 'pop' sound, but didn't think anything of it at first, believing it was a balloon.

"Then I realized we didn't have any balloons over there, and then everyone started standing up and taking cover," she recalled in an interview Sunday with The Associated Press. "Some people were crying already, and that scared us."

Xiong said Sunday she did not know the two alleged gunmen and questioned why they showed up at the party.

"I've never seen them in my life," she said. "They really don't have common Hmong names, either," she said. "I don't know if they were from out of town or what."

Spokeswomen for the two Tulsa hospitals where the victims were transported said they could not release information on the condition of the wounded Sunday, citing the ongoing police investigation.

But Xiathao Moua, the president of the Hmong American Association of Oklahoma, Inc., said he visited the two hospitals Sunday morning and said even though the victims sustained injuries from the shooting, they are expected to live. He would not elaborate further on the nature of the injuries to the victims, citing privacy concerns.

Moua described hearing the shots ring out Saturday night as some party guests were toasting with champagne and waiting in line to get dinner. What happened next, he said, was chaos and confusion.

"The emcee at the ceremony, he was on the stand and he told everybody to lay down under the table and the floor," he said.

Moua also said he asked the victims at both Tulsa hospitals if they knew why they were targeted by the violence or if they could describe the shooters, but they could not, he told the AP on Sunday.

Names of the victims, who police say are all hospitalized, weren't released.

I wonder if the Hmong culture also has a "no snitching" rule..... or did people tell police what they saw?

[Janelle2002 3,865]

I wonder if the Hmong culture also has a "no snitching" rule..... or did people tell police what they saw?

I know what you are referring to, but everyone does not live by those rules just because they are black. I have had prosecutors to prosecute 2 young boys, 16 and 17 and three 24 year olds for breaking into my house.

So, I show no mercy for people breaking the law.

[lostinblue 1,989]

I know what you are referring to, but everyone does not live by those rules just because they are black. I have had prosecutors to prosecute 2 young boys, 16 and 17 and three 24 year olds for breaking into my house.

So, I show no mercy for people breaking the law.

5 people in a home invasion.... Perhaps you could have invited them for a cup of tea.