2 in custody for shooting of 5 at Tulsa event

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Even our Immigrants are catching on to the relaxed gun laws.

http://news.yahoo.com/2-custody-shooting-5-tulsa-event-163806707.html

TULSA, Okla. (AP) — Gunfire that left five people injured at a traditional Hmong New Year's festival rattled a peaceful, tight-knit east Tulsa community, where some feared Sunday the rampage could deter others from attending upcoming cultural celebrations.

"It's really sad because a lot of people do not feel safe to go to the other New Year's celebrations. I know there are people who don't want to attend that anymore," said Joua Xiong, who attended Saturday's celebration along with hundreds of other Hmong people and heard the gunfire break out. "It's very sad because this is the only time we really get to embrace our culture and unite as one.

"And I know a lot of other people will not come (to the Oct. 26-27 event) because of that," she said.

Hmong are an Asian ethnic group hailing from countries including Laos, China, Vietnam and Thailand. The Hmong population in Tulsa is between 3,000 and 4,000. Many Hmong have traveled to Tulsa from across the country during recent years seeking jobs.

Two men have been taken into custody and face multiple charges in the shooting of five people at Saturday's festival, authorities said Sunday. Authorities were holding 21-year-old Boonmlee Lee and 19-year-old Meng Lee, both of Tulsa. Each faces five counts of shooting with intent to kill plus firearms charges.

It was not clear from jail records whether each had an attorney. An arraignment is pending.

Tulsa police spokesman Capt. Steve Odom said a gun was recovered but that it will have to be tested to see if it is linked to the Saturday night shooting. Odom said the alleged shooters and the victims were all Hmong and that there was "probably a relationship" between the men charged and the victims.

The suspects were arrested shortly after the attack, which happened about 8 p.m. A police helicopter that was in the area spotted a car driving away from the scene with its headlights off and notified officers on the ground, who pulled it over.

The suspects had thrown clothes and a semi-automatic handgun believed to have been used in the attack out of the vehicle, police said.

A witness at the party described the chaotic scene, as people lined up to get dinner were sent running and ducking for cover when the shots rang out. There were at least 200 people at the celebration, which festival-goers likened to a Thanksgiving celebration in America.

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For Xiong, who was walking with her family to get dinner Saturday night at the festival, she heard a loud 'pop' sound, but didn't think anything of it at first, believing it was a balloon.

"Then I realized we didn't have any balloons over there, and then everyone started standing up and taking cover," she recalled in an interview Sunday with The Associated Press. "Some people were crying already, and that scared us."

Xiong said Sunday she did not know the two alleged gunmen and questioned why they showed up at the party.

"I've never seen them in my life," she said. "They really don't have common Hmong names, either," she said. "I don't know if they were from out of town or what."

Spokeswomen for the two Tulsa hospitals where the victims were transported said they could not release information on the condition of the wounded Sunday, citing the ongoing police investigation.

But Xiathao Moua, the president of the Hmong American Association of Oklahoma, Inc., said he visited the two hospitals Sunday morning and said even though the victims sustained injuries from the shooting, they are expected to live. He would not elaborate further on the nature of the injuries to the victims, citing privacy concerns.

Moua described hearing the shots ring out Saturday night as some party guests were toasting with champagne and waiting in line to get dinner. What happened next, he said, was chaos and confusion.

"The emcee at the ceremony, he was on the stand and he told everybody to lay down under the table and the floor," he said.

Moua also said he asked the victims at both Tulsa hospitals if they knew why they were targeted by the violence or if they could describe the shooters, but they could not, he told the AP on Sunday.

Names of the victims, who police say are all hospitalized, weren't released.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

And here I thought guns make society so much kinder. Might that be a false claim after all?

[Janelle2002 3,865]

And here I thought guns make society so much kinder. Might that be a false claim after all?

Definitely false. I don't feel safer, do you?

I go to the drive in theaters now, just in case someone does decide to start shooting I can drive away. There are no safe places anymore. You cant go to a picnic, nothing. Our society is really going down the toilet.

Edited October 14, 2013 by Janelle2002

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Definitely false. I don't feel safer, do you?

I go to the drive in theaters now, just in case someone does decide to start shooting I can drive away. There are no safe places anymore. You cant go to a picnic, nothing. Our society is really going down the toilet.

Odd, isn't it? There are more guns than people in this country. According to gun aficionado logic, this would have to be the kindest, most serene place on earth. And yet somehow it really isn't.

[Protocol417 161]

Definitely false. I don't feel safer, do you?

I go to the drive in theaters now, just in case someone does decide to start shooting I can drive away. There are no safe places anymore. You cant go to a picnic, nothing. Our society is really going down the toilet.

I am what most people would consider "anti-gun", but I don't believe there's any reason to get overly paranoid about things. Millions of people safely enjoyed movies and that doesn't change because one insane person in Colorado decided to shoot up a theater. You are exactly as safe now as you were before.

Actually, you might be more safe. Statistically, violent crime is on the decline, and has been for a quite a while now. The reporting is just more frequent and sensational than it was before.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I am what most people would consider "anti-gun", but I don't believe there's any reason to get overly paranoid about things. Millions of people safely enjoyed movies and that doesn't change because one insane person in Colorado decided to shoot up a theater. You are exactly as safe now as you were before.

Actually, you might be more safe. Statistically, violent crime is on the decline, and has been for a quite a while now. The reporting is just more frequent and sensational than it was before.

This is true. I still feel safer in Europe than in the US, though. And for good reasons. Fewer folks with guns out and about there certainly being one of them.

[Danno 1,228]

This is true. I still feel safer in Europe than in the US, though. And for good reasons. Fewer folks with guns out and about there certainly being one of them.

Ah yes, another fan of White flight.

[Protocol417 161]

This is true. I still feel safer in Europe than in the US, though. And for good reasons. Fewer folks with guns out and about there certainly being one of them.

Same here. That and knowing I can walk into a hospital and not have to mentally tick off what bills I'm going to have to avoid paying over the next several months while I'm sitting in the waiting room

[Danno 1,228]

Same here. That and knowing I can walk into a hospital and not have to mentally tick off what bills I'm going to have to avoid paying over the next several months while I'm sitting in the waiting room

PITY THEY DON'T HAVE THAT SAME CONVENIENCE WORKED OUT WITH HOME MORTGAGES OR CAR PAYMENTS.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Ah yes, another fan of White flight.

White flight? #######?

[Danno 1,228]

White flight? #######?

Oh let me guess, you camp out in the -No go zones, over there?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Oh let me guess, you camp out in the -No go zones, over there?

No go zones? Over there? lol

[Protocol417 161]

PITY THEY DON'T HAVE THAT SAME CONVENIENCE WORKED OUT WITH HOME MORTGAGES OR CAR PAYMENTS.

No reason to yell at me.

By the way, my monthly mortgage (well, rent in my case) and car payments are expected and measured, and I have control over them (as in, I can pick the apartment or car that fits my budget). I do not have control over how much an emergency room visit (or any doctors visit, really) will cost me, nor do I have, in most cases, any way of predicting when those costs will hit.

Therefore, I do not worry about my rent or car payment, but I do worry about hospital costs.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

No reason to yell at me.

By the way, my monthly mortgage (well, rent in my case) and car payments are expected and measured, and I have control over them (as in, I can pick the apartment or car that fits my budget). I do not have control over how much an emergency room visit (or any doctors visit, really) will cost me, nor do I have, in most cases, any way of predicting when those costs will hit.

Therefore, I do not worry about my rent or car payment, but I do worry about hospital costs.

Danno always resorts to the most absurd point that can possibly be made. It's how he operates.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

This is true. I still feel safer in Europe than in the US, though. And for good reasons. Fewer folks with guns out and about there certainly being one of them.

I felt safer in Japan. Now there's a safe place. I miss that country. And good health care too!