How are Ladies from Kazakstan compared to Ukraine Ladies

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

My wife never asked for money.......and even now, she doesn't ask for money........just...........a hot tub......and a new fireplace.......and......a new kitchen......but......never for money except to go to garage sales and buy new stuff for virtually nothing.

You married a REAL Russian. No question!

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

My wife never came out and asked for money. She would do it by saying, "I want to change the windows, but it is so expensive." That is the opportunity for you to then decide if you want to help. Expect to have to offer a couple of times before they will accept. Kazakhs are a proud people so it will take a bit of persuading to get a woman to accept your money at first. Once the relationship is moving along, it is almost expected of you to help out. So make certain you really care for this person and that you can actually afford to send some money every so often. Like I said before, $500 is considered the "correct" amount--not too much and just about right. I am amazed at how far they can make $500 go compared to here in the US. We could probably sell the house and move to Almaty and live off the proceeds for many, many years.

Gary has the men pegged. A friend of mine had to deal with Kazakhs at work. He knew exactly where they would hid out to drink. The way he dealt with it was to tell them, "I do not care that you drink. I just want this project done before you go home tonight." They usually complied. So it takes a different way of managing people to get Kazakh men to perform. Most Kazakhs in Kazakhstan are not devout Muslins, so there is not the praying and all that during the day.

All people in Kazakhstan speak fluent Russian unless they are a foreigner. If she also speaks Kazakh then her family is Kazakh and decided to teach her during the Soviet occupation. My wife only speaks Russian. She never learned Kazakh which is a real shame. There is a generation or two that lost their heritage. There is a Kazakh TV station that has movies in Russian with Kazakh subtitles--very strange to me.

Dave

Your friend had about the same approach I had. Just get it done! I always suspected the prayers were BS to get a "break", so did the Ukrainians and that is what pissed them off. Ukrainian bricklayers with Kazakh laborers was NOT a good combination! "I need bricks! Where are my effin' bricks BOGE MOY! they are praying again!" Yes, they all spoke Russian.

Did anyone see the movie "The Ghost and the Darkness"? When the engineer arrives and the "liason" tell him how "Indians hate the Africans and they even hate each other! First you have to keep the Muslims from killing the Hindus before you can build your bridge"

[Tanya and Barry 59]

My wife is Russian but was born and raised in Kazakhstan. She left when she was 16 to live in Ukraine. We have a picture of her in elementary school where she is the only caucasian in her class. She says that ethnic Kazakhs are very nice and friendly. My wife is definately less materialistic than other Russian and Ukrainian women I have met. But of course that is just my experience..

[AmyWrites 593]

You call her caucasian?

[Tanya and Barry 59]

You call her caucasian?

You know that means a different thing here to us, Amy (read white)....

[AmyWrites 593]

Yeah, exactly, I can't think of a Russian person not being insulted at being called Caucasian.

[Tanya and Barry 59]

Yeah, exactly, I can't think of a Russian person not being insulted at being called Caucasian.

Yep...

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Yeah, exactly, I can't think of a Russian person not being insulted at being called Caucasian.

I smile.

The complexity of racial/ethnic things is always lost on Americans who think they have "race issues". We also think OUR government is corrupt.

Hitler killed 22 milion "slavs" because they were "less than human" while they seem to be a much more refined version of any example of "white" or "caucasion" race than anything referred to as "Aryan" yet they, themselves, do not want to be called "causcasion" because to them it means "from the caucasus" region which most of them are not. They also consider Jewsih people as a race, not a religion, and even have various degrees of Jewish races. "Black Jewish" or "Red Jewish" for example. Dare we even mention "Gypsies" ?

It is interesting actually. In Odessa there is a great Anthropological Museum if anyone ever gets the chance to see it.

I have trouble keeping up myself. In the USA Alla refers to herself as "Ukrainian" but in Ukraine she would say she is "Russian". Not sure where the change occurs, probably somwhere over Greenland during the flight from JFK.

[Hollyday 122]

I have trouble keeping up myself. In the USA Alla refers to herself as "Ukrainian" but in Ukraine she would say she is "Russian". Not sure where the change occurs, probably somwhere over Greenland during the flight from JFK.

Ok, this is confusing even for me. Lol.

I know where the Caucasian thing is coming from so i don't get offended if described this way (though i don't look anything like that if you take the Russian connotation of this term).

[AmyWrites 593]

I smile.

The complexity of racial/ethnic things is always lost on Americans who think they have "race issues". We also think OUR government is corrupt.

Hitler killed 22 milion "slavs" because they were "less than human" while they seem to be a much more refined version of any example of "white" or "caucasion" race than anything referred to as "Aryan" yet they, themselves, do not want to be called "causcasion" because to them it means "from the caucasus" region which most of them are not. They also consider Jewsih people as a race, not a religion, and even have various degrees of Jewish races. "Black Jewish" or "Red Jewish" for example. Dare we even mention "Gypsies" ?

It is interesting actually. In Odessa there is a great Anthropological Museum if anyone ever gets the chance to see it.

I have trouble keeping up myself. In the USA Alla refers to herself as "Ukrainian" but in Ukraine she would say she is "Russian". Not sure where the change occurs, probably somwhere over Greenland during the flight from JFK.

I like the Eastern European way better. I'm Hispanic, and Caucasian Americans (hah) think that it's a race... it was simpler when I lived in Russia to explain these things to them, because they don't have the force-fed PC thing to worry about.

[Steve&Ema 25]

I dated a Russian woman from Kazakhstan. She lived in a small city called Stepnogorsk. She was a nice woman but too concerned about outward appearances. On our first meeting in Punta Cana she would constantly criticize and nick pick everything I did, from how I held my fork when cutting meat, to how I sat. But I was will to overlook that and I ended up visiting her in Kazakhstan for New Years and Christmas. I had a great time meeting her family and seeing her city and Astana. I was really impressed with the Russian people, how they dressed and how hospitable they were. Also if you get the chance to go, you must see Astana. It is a beautiful city.

Unfortunately things didn't work out with her. I just could handle the constant criticism and she was always telling me how great the Russian people were and how fat and lazy Americans were. Also anytime I had a problem with her, she would just say “It is not a big problem” and not want to discuss anything.

[TBoneTX 45,705]

Unfortunately things didn't work out with her.

It sounds quite fortunate, actually.

[Tanya and Barry 59]

It sounds quite fortunate, actually.

Si, Man...He dodged a bullet...

[Dave&Roza 748]

I dated a Russian woman from Kazakhstan. She lived in a small city called Stepnogorsk. She was a nice woman but too concerned about outward appearances. On our first meeting in Punta Cana she would constantly criticize and nick pick everything I did, from how I held my fork when cutting meat, to how I sat. But I was will to overlook that and I ended up visiting her in Kazakhstan for New Years and Christmas. I had a great time meeting her family and seeing her city and Astana. I was really impressed with the Russian people, how they dressed and how hospitable they were. Also if you get the chance to go, you must see Astana. It is a beautiful city.

Unfortunately things didn't work out with her. I just could handle the constant criticism and she was always telling me how great the Russian people were and how fat and lazy Americans were. Also anytime I had a problem with her, she would just say “It is not a big problem” and not want to discuss anything.

Yes, I would say you were lucky things did not work out. My wife will tell me what is wrong with the US, what was wrong with the old Soviet system, and what is wrong with the new capitalist system. She is not afraid to talk about things. I should point out that in Kazakhstan there are Russians and Kazakhs, sounds like you had a "true" Russian. Some take the outward appearance to an extreme. You had to cut your meat? I have yet to have besparmak where the meat needs to be cut. Now the noodles that is another thing. Astana should be a beautiful city as it is not that old, but I have not been there. Almaty is a nice city if you can get past the traffic and pollution.

Dave

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

It sounds quite fortunate, actually.

Exactly!

RUB women tend to want to look good, they want their things to look good, they want their husband to look good...at least look clean and dress appropiately. They are not so hung up on whether you look like Richard Gere, but they want you to look clean and decent.

I never have encountered the level of control the poster above mentions. Sounds like OCD to me. Alla does not care how I hold my fork, but she will gladly steal food off my plate if I express that it is tasty. By reaching over with her fork and taking what she wants. If I give her the "stink eye" she will say "I am the wife, I can do it"