Documents required for a CRBA (split topic)

[sjr09 155]

It’s fairly easy to understand. Approximate time of conception and physical presence in the same location at applicant's time of conception.

Ultrasound and pre-natal care records along with your (USC) physical presence in the same location at applicant’s time of conception will help the consular officer determine a link, a biological relationship between the USC parent and applicant child.

As for DNA testing, your lacking the basic understanding of how it work's and when it’s applied, I would recommend you read this link: http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants/info/info_1337.html as this can apply too anyone in any country not just, “"high fraud embassy.”

"When no substantive form of credible evidence is available in conjunction with a CRBA application, a parent may find genetic testing to be a useful tool for confirming a stated biological relationship.

Do not initiate a DNA test unless it is recommended by the Embassy for your pending CRBA application. A DNA test that is done independently will not be accepted to support a CRBA or Passport

Oh ok. Well the only thing I didn't know about was the DNA test and didn't see that on the DOS website. Thank you for the link. I've read about the CRBA process for a long time and know a lot about it. Just didn't know that.

Um, no. I don't think it will be "a piece of cake", as you say. Where in my posts did I even infer or say that??? Can you please tell me? If anything I'm over prepared. I have all of my grade school, high school and college transcripts and report cards, all of my tax returns, all of my bank account statements, all of my parents' tax returns showing me as a dependent, my old passport, my current passport, plane ticket stubs, all of my cell phone bills, utility bills, DMV driver records, court records for speeding tickets I've gotten, Customs and Border Protection records of my entry and exit into and out of the United States, pay stubs and employer verification letters etc etc etc. All of these are to prove my physical presence in the U.S. throughout my life. In addition, I also have photos with time and date stamps on them proving my wife and I were together on the date of conception, as well as hotel receipts proving that fact. So I like I said, I'm over prepared and don't think it will be a cakewalk.

The only thing I didn't know anything about was this requirement, which I can't find anywhere, of ultrasound and pre-natal care records. I still don't see how those prove that I am the father of the child. They don't. They're just records that prove my wife went to get a checkup on a certain day, with pictures of the baby in utero. It doesn't show anything about my relationship with the child. I will have been 5000 miles away the entire time my wife was pregnant and will not have been with her or the baby until the birth and for two weeks over Christmas and New Year's Eve. However, with your advice, we will provide the ultrasounds and pre-natal care records. Thanks

It was put plane and simple in my last post above. The U.S. citizen parent must be genetically related to the child to transmit U.S. citizenship. Your lacking the basic understanding of how the ultrasound can date approximant time of conception, the stages of human development or in your words utero. Take this along with your proof of physical presence in the same location at applicant’s time of conception, and add the two together what do you have? Yes a ‘possible’ link that will help the consular officer determine a biological relationship between the USC parent and applicant child.

Further more if we take what your saying that, “It doesn't show anything about my relationship with the child. I will have been 5000 miles away the entire time my wife was pregnant.” then what proof do you have? I would say from what you have given above you have little or no proof, “photos with time and date stamps on them “proving my wife and I were together on the date of conception” BTW don’t prove any connection, of conception.

Time stamps can be add on any photo, and are not valid proof of conception as any logical person should and would know. IME and IMO your proof of USC is fine but your severely lacking in proof of a stated biological relationship with the child based on the information above.

Although I’ve been quite involved in the subject and study of Consular Report of Birth Abroad since 2008 I’m no expert on the subject, perhaps just an aficionado. One thing I have found in my own research, many embassy e-mail inquiries around the world and my own personal experience in the process is most if not all, USC parents who had set backs or failed was do to lack of proper information, documentation and the understanding of the process especially documentation on the stated biological relationship between the USC parent and applicant child. Keep in mind acceptance of ‘any’ evidence will be at the discretion of the consular officer, and depending on the circumstances the consular officer may ask for additional material.

　

I would beef-up your proof of physical presence in same location at time of conception.

Airline tickets do they show a link for the above?

Copy of visa stamps, do they show a link for the above?

Proof of mothers pregnancy, ultrasound, pre-natal records, hospital billing statements do they show a link for the above?

Good Luck

[r060106 109]

It was put plane and simple in my last post above. The U.S. citizen parent must be genetically related to the child to transmit U.S. citizenship. Your lacking the basic understanding of how the ultrasound can date approximant time of conception, the stages of human development or in your words utero. Take this along with your proof of physical presence in the same location at applicant’s time of conception, and add the two together what do you have? Yes a ‘possible’ link that will help the consular officer determine a biological relationship between the USC parent and applicant child.

Further more if we take what your saying that, “It doesn't show anything about my relationship with the child. I will have been 5000 miles away the entire time my wife was pregnant.” then what proof do you have? I would say from what you have given above you have little or no proof, “photos with time and date stamps on them “proving my wife and I were together on the date of conception” BTW don’t prove any connection, of conception.

Time stamps can be add on any photo, and are not valid proof of conception as any logical person should and would know. IME and IMO your proof of USC is fine but your severely lacking in proof of a stated biological relationship with the child based on the information above.

Although I’ve been quite involved in the subject and study of Consular Report of Birth Abroad since 2008 I’m no expert on the subject, perhaps just an aficionado. One thing I have found in my own research, many embassy e-mail inquiries around the world and my own personal experience in the process is most if not all, USC parents who had set backs or failed was do to lack of proper information, documentation and the understanding of the process especially documentation on the stated biological relationship between the USC parent and applicant child. Keep in mind acceptance of ‘any’ evidence will be at the discretion of the consular officer, and depending on the circumstances the consular officer may ask for additional material.

　

I would beef-up your proof of physical presence in same location at time of conception.

Airline tickets do they show a link for the above?

Copy of visa stamps, do they show a link for the above?

Proof of mothers pregnancy, ultrasound, pre-natal records, hospital billing statements do they show a link for the above?

Good Luck

Alright genius, before you insult my intelligence again, did you even read my above post? I have a hotel booking receipt with both of our names on it and the date of approximate conception, we'll have pre-natal records and ultrasounds, we have plane tickets for each other and I have stamps into Poland (my wife has none because they do not stamp EU citizens' passports upon entry into Poland). Poland is where we had our honeymoon right after the wedding, and that is where the child was conceived. If the embassy needs a DNA test because they believe my wife went off and shacked up with another man two days after marriage then there is something seriously wrong with them. I have nothing else to prove I was in the same location at the time of conception and can't produce evidence that I don't have. Logical person? So I guess I'm illogical according to you. I have read that photos with time stamps were good enough, but I guess not.

Edited October 23, 2013 by r060106

[sjr09 155]

Alright genius, before you insult my intelligence again, did you even read my above post? I have a hotel booking receipt with both of our names on it and the date of approximate conception, we'll have pre-natal records and ultrasounds, we have plane tickets for each other and I have stamps into Poland (my wife has none because they do not stamp EU citizens' passports upon entry into Poland). Poland is where we had our honeymoon right after the wedding, and that is where the child was conceived. If the embassy needs a DNA test because they believe my wife went off and shacked up with another man two days after marriage then there is something seriously wrong with them. I have nothing else to prove I was in the same location at the time of conception and can't produce evidence that I don't have. Logical person? So I guess I'm illogical according to you. I have read that photos with time stamps were good enough, but I guess not.

Yes, every one of your posts, and in reading this thread I found no mention of the above in bold until now. Furthermore not one member has insulted your intelligence, but I and others have given our time, knowledge and experience in helping you learn, understand and seceded, and for that help in understanding the process you have been rather arrogant and immature in your comments, to me and others on this thread. I will not further assist someone who reflection of limited life experience, and feeling concerned that those with greater life experience or knowledge (have got something over them) rather than seeking to find out more through questions and learning you try and impose your limited, narrow life experiences and small view of this subject on others.

. I’ll leave you with one finally note, The burden of proving the blood relationship is on the person making the claim to U.S. citizenship. “If the embassy needs a DNA test because they believe my wife went off and shacked up with another man two days after marriage then there is something seriously wrong with them.”

Your very statement happens and thus, one of the reason for DNA testing.

Best of Luck

Edited October 24, 2013 by sjr09

[r060106 109]

Your lacking the basic understanding of how the ultrasound can date approximant time of conception, the stages of human development or in your words utero.

　

This the insult to my intelligence I spoke of.

[r060106 109]

This is directly from the U.S. Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual Volume 7 dated 08/2013:

Children born in wedlock are generally presumed to be the issue of that

marriage. This presumption is not determinative in citizenship cases, however,

because an actual blood relationship to a U.S. citizen parent is required. If

doubt arises that the citizen "parent" is related by blood to the child, the

consular officer is expected to investigate carefully. Circumstances that might

give rise to such a doubt include:

(1) Conception or birth of a child when either of the alleged

biological parents

was married to another;

(2) Naming on the birth certificate, as father and/or mother, person(s) other

than the alleged biological parents; and

(3) Evidence or indications that the child was conceived at a time when the

alleged father had no physical access to the mother.

Neither of the above apply to me, so like the DOS website says "Proof of the relationship between the U.S. citizen parent(s) and the child. Your child's birth certificate with both parents' names on it is the best form of proof.", I do not need any evidence showing I was present at the time of conception because we were married before conception and the child is presumed ours, per the Federal Government itself above.

[r060106 109]

have been rather arrogant and immature in your comments, to me and others on this thread. I will not further assist someone who reflection of limited life experience, and feeling concerned that those with greater life experience or knowledge (have got something over them) rather than seeking to find out more through questions and learning you try and impose your limited, narrow life experiences and small view of this subject on others.

Where was I arrogant to other people on this thread? I got upset at the other poster because they said I think it's a piece of cake, which is not the case and never has been. The only reason I called you a genius was because of your comment above, and that is the only example of me being "arrogant and immature". How am I trying to impose my "limited, narrow life experiences and small view of this subject on others"? What are you talking about??? How can you possibly say with a straight face that I have "narrow life experiences"???? Yes, because you know me and how much life experiences I have. You talk about my arrogance, look at yours. Absolutely amazing.

[2013gill 1]

Where was I arrogant to other people on this thread? I got upset at the other poster because they said I think it's a piece of cake, which is not the case and never has been. The only reason I called you a genius was because of your comment above, and that is the only example of me being "arrogant and immature". How am I trying to impose my "limited, narrow life experiences and small view of this subject on others"? What are you talking about??? How can you possibly say with a straight face that I have "narrow life experiences"???? Yes, because you know me and how much life experiences I have. You talk about my arrogance, look at yours. Absolutely amazing.

Here is the day come of jumping joy my daughter's passport and CRBA is ready for pick up it only took about 1 an half month i got just emailed from US Embassy so i thought i should update here .....good luck with your process ..

[r060106 109]

Here is the day come of jumping joy my daughter's passport and CRBA is ready for pick up it only took about 1 an half month i got just emailed from US Embassy so i thought i should update here .....good luck with your process ..

Thank you! So it was 1.5 months from your interview date that you got the passport and CRBA?