Calif. Gov. Brown vetoes bill banning semi-automatic rifles

[lostinblue 1,989]

Calif. Gov. Brown vetoes bill banning semi-automatic rifles

By Don Thompson

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Associated Press

Friday, October 11, 2013

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — Gov. Jerry Brown has vetoed a bill that would have banned future sales of most semi-automatic rifles that accept detachable magazines, part of a firearms package approved by state lawmakers in response to mass shootings in other states.

The governor announced signing other gun-related legislation on Friday but rejected the centerpiece bill, which would have imposed the nation’s toughest restrictions on gun ownership.

Brown’s veto message for SB374 said it was too far-reaching. The bill by Democratic Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg would have outlawed future sales of an entire class of weapons that includes most assault rifles.

It was lawmakers’ latest attempt to close loopholes that have let manufacturers work around previous assault weapon bans.

Gun-rights groups had threatened to sue if the semi-automatic weapons ban became law.

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In a message to the legislature, Brown wrote he didn’t “believe that this bill’s blanket ban on semi-automatic rifles would reduce criminal activity or enhance public safety enough to warrant this infringement on gun owners’ rights.”

Colorado had him running scared.

[Darnell 8,479]

Good For Jerry !! Getting Sued, Sucks !

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Good For Jerry !! Getting Sued, Sucks !

Jerry wants to keep his job.

Californians probably cannot handle freedom so well though. They should be infringed.

[lostinblue 1,989]

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Violent crimes are OK. Guns are bad.

[Jacque67 7,328]

How crude!

Note with the statistic given for the UK, it does not include that all important word "violent".

A load of piffle!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

A load of piffle!

A load of piffle that's been debunked time and again. But that has not ever stopped right wingers to peddle this nonsense as truth.

They don't deal in facts. Ever. Facts are destructive to their worldview.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

How crude!

Note with the statistic given for the UK, it does not include that all important word "violent".

A load of piffle!

Here you go. The ALL IMPORTANT word you were looking for. From a source in the UK.

You are wrong again. Big surpise.

You would look less follish if you confine comments to topics you are knowledgable of. I really don't care if you do, though. I am glad you oppose me.

UK IS THE VIOLENT CRIME CAPITAL OF EUROPE...HIGHER EVEN THAN THE USA

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of-Europe.html

A load of piffle that's been debunked time and again. But that has not ever stopped right wingers to peddle this nonsense as truth.

They don't deal in facts. Ever. Facts are destructive to their worldview.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of-Europe.html

Please read and debunk. Have fun.

(Watch for replys with no answer, just lots of piffle)

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

How crude!

Note with the statistic given for the UK, it does not include that all important word "violent".

A load of piffle!

You should understand that this "piffle" has been my advocation for 40 years and I read the news on this topic every day, wherever I am in the world. This report was published TODAY. Unless you are referencing this report, it is old data.

Offhand comments of "piffle" will be replied to with facts and data. If the report is for the UK I will post sources from the UK. I receive this information from worldwide sources for every country in the world, every day. (aren't filters wonderful?) I do not guess. I do not cry "piffle"

If you wish to discuss the topic of firearms design, history, engineering, manufacturing and legislation and litigation....let's go! I'm ready.

If you wish to post piffle...carry on. If you wish to hrl personal insults...carry on.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

An even more telling statistic is that violent crime in the UK has doubled since 1998...while in the USA it has decreased more than 30%. Despite the repeal of the assault weapons ban, the implementation of concealed carry in all 50 states and the Heller and McDonald decisions...all decried as disaters by anti-gun fascists, the crime in the relatively "gun free" UK has doubled during that same period.

The claims of low crime in the UK and Europe in general are old wives tales. They just fudged the numbers

Edited October 12, 2013 by Gary and Alla

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I know some of you complain that I usually do not post the article, just the link...so here, this is to make all of you happy. Smile. UK sounds like a nice place.

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UK is violent crime capital of Europe The United Kingdom is the violent crime capital of Europe and has one of the highest rates of violence in the world, worse even than America, according to new research.

By Richard Edwards, Crime Correspondent

7:00AM BST 02 Jul 2009

Analysis of figures from the European Commission showed a 77 per cent increase in murders, robberies, assaults and sexual offences in the UK since Labour came to power.

The total number of violent offences recorded compared to population is higher than any other country in Europe, as well as America, Canada, Australia and South Africa.

Opposition leaders said the disclosures were a "damning indictment" of the Government's failure to tackle deep-rooted social problems.

The figures combined crime statistics for England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.

The UK had a greater number of murders in 2007 than any other EU country – 927 – and at a relative rate higher than most western European neighbours, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain.

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It also recorded the fifth highest robbery rate in the EU, and the highest absolute number of burglaries, with double the number of offences recorded in Germany and France.

Overall, 5.4 million crimes were recorded in the UK in 2007 - more than 10 a minute - second only to Sweden.

Chris Grayling, shadow home secretary, said: "This is a real damning indictment of this government's comprehensive failure over more than a decade to tackle the deep rooted social problems in our society, and the knock-on effect on crime and anti-social behaviour.

"We're now on our fourth Home Secretary in this parliament, and all we are getting is a rehash of old initiatives that didn't work the first time round. More than ever Britain needs a change of direction."

The figures were sourced from Eurostat, the European Commission's database of statistics. They are gathered using official sources in the countries concerned such as the national statistics office, the national prison administration, ministries of the interior or justice, and police.

A breakdown of the statistics, which were compiled into league tables by the Conservatives, revealed that violent crime in the UK had increased from 652,974 offences in 1998 to more than 1.15 million crimes in 2007.

It means there are over 2,000 crimes recorded per 100,000 population in the UK, making it the most violent place in Europe.

Austria is second, with a rate of 1,677 per 100,000 people, followed by Sweden, Belgium, Finland and Holland.

By comparison, America has an estimated rate of 466 violent crimes per 100,000 population.

France recorded 324,765 violent crimes in 2007 – a 67 per cent increase in the past decade – at a rate of 504 per 100,000 population.

The Home Office says there has been a downtrend in overall violence for the past decade.

But last October it emerged that levels of violent crime in England and Wales had been underestimated for more than a decade because of a blunder in recording methods.

Ministers admitted that some police forces had not been recording offences of grievous bodily harm with intent as serious violent crime. When the offences were included violent crime figures immediately increased by a fifth.

Separate figures disclosed in May showed that the number of people requiring hospital treatment after being seriously hurt in street fights or assaults has risen 50 per cent in five years.

More than 20 people a day were taken to hospital accident and emergency departments in England last year after being hit, kicked, scratched or bitten. Alcohol is blamed as a factor in half of the incidents and raises further questions over 24-hour drinking.

Researchers admit that comparisons of crime data between countries must be viewed with caution because of differing criminal justice systems and how crimes are reported and measured.

A Home Office spokesperson said: “These figures are misleading. Levels of police recorded crime statistics from different countries are simply not comparable since they are affected by many factors, for example the recording of violent crime in other countries may not include behaviour that we would categorise as violent crime.

“Violent crime in England and Wales has fallen by almost a half since a peak in 1995 but we are not complacent and know there is still work to do. “

end of article

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So crime was HIGHER in the UK before, then they fudged the numbers and "crime became lower" and now the numbers are corrected and the crime is higher...but we shouldn't compare to other countries. Right. Got it. The best way to "debunk" this bunk would be to simply ignore it. I am sure some people will be able to do that.

I'll keep my gun, thank you.

Edited October 12, 2013 by Gary and Alla

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Semi autos are banned in the UK.

[lostinblue 1,989]

A load of piffle that's been debunked time and again. But that has not ever stopped right wingers to peddle this nonsense as truth.

They don't deal in facts. Ever. Facts are destructive to their worldview.

EU collects 'too little' data on anti-Muslim attacks

Since January 2012, Tell Mama has been offering assistance to victims via a telephone helpline. It is supported by a network of volunteers and its Internet site is maintained by a religious foundation. According to Tell Mama's director, Fiyaz Mughal, the organization registered nearly 1,200 attacks in England and Wales over a period of 18 months. He pointed out that the rate of such attacks tends to spike following a major national or international conflict between Muslims and non-Muslims. After a British soldier was brutally murdered by two Islamists in London on May 22, the number of anti-Muslim incidents and attacks on mosques increased eightfold.

In Germany there is no specific category for anti-Muslim attacks and, as such, they are not reported to the EU Agency for Fundamental Rights. Not long ago, Wilfried Albishausen, deputy chairperson of the Association of Germany's Criminal Investigators (BDK), called for the creation of such a register. It would be based on the way records of attacks on Jews are kept, Albishausen told Germany's "Die Welt" newspaper. According to Germany's latest Annual Report on the Protection of the Constitution, hostility towards Islam has been increasingly apparent on the far-right scene in the past few years.

Not all victims report the offences committed against them. Tell Mama estimates that 60 percent do not contact the police or any aid organizations. The EU Agency for Fundamental Rights confirms these observations. "The great majority of the Muslims surveyed did not report anything," said Andrusz. "This is a problem because what the authorities don't know is also not reflected in statistics."

60 percent do not contact the police or any aid organizations.....Violent crime is not reported so of course there is no problem there . That is just one small part of the population. Just don't report it ... good to go...

.http://www.dw.de/eu-collects-too-little-data-on-anti-muslim-attacks/a-17026919

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

EU collects 'too little' data on anti-Muslim attacks

Since January 2012, Tell Mama has been offering assistance to victims via a telephone helpline. It is supported by a network of volunteers and its Internet site is maintained by a religious foundation. According to Tell Mama's director, Fiyaz Mughal, the organization registered nearly 1,200 attacks in England and Wales over a period of 18 months. He pointed out that the rate of such attacks tends to spike following a major national or international conflict between Muslims and non-Muslims. After a British soldier was brutally murdered by two Islamists in London on May 22, the number of anti-Muslim incidents and attacks on mosques increased eightfold.

In Germany there is no specific category for anti-Muslim attacks and, as such, they are not reported to the EU Agency for Fundamental Rights. Not long ago, Wilfried Albishausen, deputy chairperson of the Association of Germany's Criminal Investigators (BDK), called for the creation of such a register. It would be based on the way records of attacks on Jews are kept, Albishausen told Germany's "Die Welt" newspaper. According to Germany's latest Annual Report on the Protection of the Constitution, hostility towards Islam has been increasingly apparent on the far-right scene in the past few years.

Not all victims report the offences committed against them. Tell Mama estimates that 60 percent do not contact the police or any aid organizations. The EU Agency for Fundamental Rights confirms these observations. "The great majority of the Muslims surveyed did not report anything," said Andrusz. "This is a problem because what the authorities don't know is also not reflected in statistics."

60 percent do not contact the police or any aid organizations.....Violent crime is not reported so of course there is no problem there . That is just one small part of the population. Just don't report it ... good to go...

.http://www.dw.de/eu-collects-too-little-data-on-anti-muslim-attacks/a-17026919

Another opportunity to be "de bunked" by the people who only want to take away rights

They will run instead, lostinblue, just watch. Bye! Nice having an "intelligent conversation" with you.

[Peikko 1,575]

Sorry to disappoint you Gary, but as usual you are wrong. Most of the violent crime that is recorded by the UK police force wouldn't even get a mention in the US system. A lot of 'violent' crime takes place on a Saturday night and is a result of alcohol induced brawling. Moreover, your data is old. This is 2013 not 2007. You may in your ignorance picture the poor old UK subject cowering in his home, terrified to go outside because of the gangs of violent, gun toting criminals, longing for the same gun rights you 'enjoy' but what you picture does not exist. England is a peaceful place, people are not terrified of getting shot by policeman, nor are schools surrounded by armed guards It's a very pleasant place and no one goes bankrupt because they visited the doctor and got sick.