We paid $634 million for the Obamacare sites and all we got was this lousy 404

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

If it's for profit, why aren't the people making the profit shelling out the $634 million? I guess if they spent that kind of money on a website, they wouldn't be in business very long.

Google or facebook could handle everyone in the US logging in every day and the half the servers would probably not even wake up

Yet 634 million and many news shows have been trying to log in for over a week with no success

That is BS

Who is going to be held accountable for this debacle

and you want these same people managing your health care

[Peikko 1,575]

Google or facebook could handle everyone in the US logging in every day and the half the servers would probably not even wake up

Yet 634 million and many news shows have been trying to log in for over a week with no success

That is BS

Who is going to be held accountable for this debacle

and you want these same people managing your health care

The same people will be managing health care now as were last week, last month, last year. No one in government manages health care. Peddling that misinformation does not increase your credibility one bit.

[Peikko 1,575]

If it's for profit, why aren't the people making the profit shelling out the $634 million? I guess if they spent that kind of money on a website, they wouldn't be in business very long.

Government is not for profit, they are accessing information to the public about the available health care plans. The health care system itself is run for profit and I am sure those who are trying to make a profit are not interesting in providing information on their competitors products if they can avoid it.

However, as I said, there is a case to argue for ensuring the government is held accountable for making the information available to the public in as efficient and cost effective a way a possible and if there are misspent dollars, this should be held to account. However, once again this does not affect the fact that health care itself is not run by the government, it's not, nor that health care is run for profit, it is.

[Karee 4,191]

Government is not for profit,

No kidding. 16 trillion in debt and the pi$$ away another .6 billion.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

maybe people will start to think - hey, if the government can't even run a website, how effective will they be running health care?

Only the ill informed and the incurably stupid actually believe that government will be running health care.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Only the ill informed and the incurably stupid actually believe that government will be running health care.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Do you belong into either of these categories? That would disappoint me.

[lostinblue 1,989]

Only the ill informed and the incurably stupid actually believe that government will be running health care.

Health Care Reform: What is a health insurance exchange?

The Affordable Care Act requires every state to offer an exchange to its residents. States have a few options:

• A state can choose to create and run its own exchange.
• If a state decides not to run its own exchange, residents of that state can shop on an exchange that will be run by the federal government.
• Or a state can partner with the federal government. In a partnership model, the st

"can shop on an exchange that will be run by the federal government."

http://www.aetna.com/health-reform-connection/reform-explained/video-exchanges.html

I guess they are confused as anyone else

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Do you belong into either of these categories? That would disappoint me.

I don't belong to the sky is falling category, or the category that is denying the government is taking over the heathcare industry, piece by piece, and the Obamacare now puts the majority of healthcare decisions eventually within the bureaucracy created under it, either directly controlled by the Federal government, or indirectly controlled through the states.

It shouldn't come as any surprise, since the CDC has been dictating treatment plans to physicians for a couple decades now. The doctors have to follow those treatment plans, or the third party payer will not reimburse them, whether it is an insurance company, or one of the many government health plans.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Health Care Reform: What is a health insurance exchange?

The Affordable Care Act requires every state to offer an exchange to its residents. States have a few options:

• A state can choose to create and run its own exchange.
• If a state decides not to run its own exchange, residents of that state can shop on an exchange that will be run by the federal government.
• Or a state can partner with the federal government. In a partnership model, the st

"can shop on an exchange that will be run by the federal government."

http://www.aetna.com/health-reform-connection/reform-explained/video-exchanges.html

I guess they are confused as anyone else

1) health insurance ≠ health care

2) Even if you ignore that for a moment, the government isn't running Aetna or any other health insurance company offering their products on the exchanges either.

What you are effectively postulating here is that the health insurance exchanges are health care. And that claim would put you into either of the two categories that I've outlined earlier.

[unsmiley 111]

Only the ill informed and the incurably stupid actually believe that government will be running health care.

The government has been controlling healthcare for years. It sets all the prices for reimbursements. First with Medicare and Medicaid, then all the "private" insurance companies fall in line. This in turn limits the income of health care providers (Extra credit question: what other profession would allow or be happy with that?). It bullies the insurance companies and state legislators to cover certain conditions/therapy that most would never want to pay for coverage. And now control is almost all-encompassing.

Unfortunately people like you are the ones that have been brainwashed into thinking the government is the answer to everything. Government meddling into almost anything = disaster. Wake up and smell the coffee.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

The government has been controlling healthcare for years. It sets all the prices for reimbursements. First with Medicare and Medicaid, then all the "private" insurance companies fall in line. This in turn limits the income of health care providers (Extra credit question: what other profession would allow or be happy with that?). It bullies the insurance companies and state legislators to cover certain conditions/therapy that most would never want to pay for coverage. And now control is almost all-encompassing.

Unfortunately people like you are the ones that have been brainwashed into thinking the government is the answer to everything. Government meddling into almost anything = disaster. Wake up and smell the coffee.

I don't know about you but I manage my health care with my physician. I don't talk to a single government worker or entity. Now, sometimes I wish I did have government involved in the administration of my medical claims seeing how much less expensive health care under the Medicare program is. Sure wish I had access to it. Right now. I'd ditch my private insurer in a heartbeat.

[BatmanUSA 105]

I don't belong to the sky is falling category, or the category that is denying the government is taking over the heathcare industry, piece by piece, and the Obamacare now puts the majority of healthcare decisions eventually within the bureaucracy created under it, either directly controlled by the Federal government, or indirectly controlled through the states.

It shouldn't come as any surprise, since the CDC has been dictating treatment plans to physicians for a couple decades now. The doctors have to follow those treatment plans, or the third party payer will not reimburse them, whether it is an insurance company, or one of the many government health plans.

does your tailor measure your full inseam when measuring you for pants.???

at what age does your doctor not, make you turn your head and cough...???

[unsmiley 111]

I don't know about you but I manage my health care with my physician. I don't talk to a single government worker or entity. Now, sometimes I wish I did have government involved in the administration of my medical claims seeing how much less expensive health care under the Medicare program is. Sure wish I had access to it. Right now. I'd ditch my private insurer in a heartbeat.

But who manages your physician? Who controls what tests he can order or which ones he can be reimbursed for? Who manages your hospital??

More and more doctors are dropping out of Medicare due to declining government reimbursements and increasing red tape. And what do you want: Cheap or good?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

But who manages your physician? Who controls what tests he can order or which ones he can be reimbursed for? Who manages your hospital??

More and more doctors are dropping out of Medicare due to declining government reimbursements and increasing red tape. And what do you want: Cheap or good?

My physician is in private practice. He manages himself, I suppose. The hospital I most recently visited is managed by HCA - a private enterprise.

The choice is not between cheap and good despite what you may have "learned" in the right wing echo chamber. We have currently expensive and sub-par.

I want cost effective care like that delivered in every other industrialized country. And interestingly, they all do it with more government not less. The US health care model is a failure.