Tom Delay: “Hillary will be the next president of the United States"

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

I used to complain about the NHS, but I now have an HMO -- anyone who believes this wonderful, private system offers more "choice" or "flexibility". or leaves my healthcare decisions only to qualified medical professionals....well, I have some weapons of mass destruction to tell you about

[Dr_LHA 3]

PS: I hope to god that Hilliary isn't the next president, but I won't have a say in that myself.

[MandR 0]

PS: I hope to god that Hilliary isn't the next president, but I won't have a say in that myself.

And your nomination would be ????????

[almaty 19]

PS: I hope to god that Hilliary isn't the next president, but I won't have a say in that myself.

And your nomination would be ????????

Senator Obama from the great blue state of illinois

[Dr_LHA 3]

Senator Obama from the great blue state of illinois

Would probably be my pick of the candidates so far on the democratic side yes. Personally I can't support Hillary for 2 reasons, her ridiculous wasting of time with the whole "Hot Coffee" affair, and the fact she voted for the law that abolished Habeus Corpus for so called "enemy combatants". Her politics do not mesh with my own.

[MandR 0]

PS: I hope to god that Hilliary isn't the next president, but I won't have a say in that myself.

And your nomination would be ????????

Senator Obama from the great blue state of illinois

Good pick, although not enough experience in my book.... But it beats another "Dub Ya" (w) in the White House

[almaty 19]

PS: I hope to god that Hilliary isn't the next president, but I won't have a say in that myself.

And your nomination would be ????????

Senator Obama from the great blue state of illinois

Good pick, although not enough experience in my book.... But it beats another "Dub Ya" (w) in the White House

i agree..he could have more experience

[garya505 2]

The Hill-inator! (she'll be back)

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Gotta love this chart almost 50% taxes! Love those socialists.

http://www.oecdobserver.org/images//1313.photo.jpg

That chart shows that UK has lower taxes than the USA, but the UK has socialised healthcare. Please show me the chart that correlates countries socialised healthcare with people actually having less spending power because of it.

As someone who grew up with the NHS I also fail to see the problem with socialised healthcare that Americans have. I pay about the same level of taxes here as I did in the UK, except now I have to pay a butt load of money on health insurance as well. The healthcare I have gotten is no better than in the UK (even when I lived in the expensive Santa Barbara), and in the UK I didn't have to argue with my insurance company over every charge, like for example: they decided I had to pay $500 for an ambulance that someone called for me when I was unconcious with blood pouring out of my head after an accident because some pencil pusher decided it wasn't necessary. Apparenly I should have got back on my bicycle and road the 5 miles to the ER!

What it comes down to is a rather mean spirited attitude in this country towards anybody else. This is the "me" culture. "Why should my taxes go to pay for some poor person to get a flu-vaccine! I don't care if they die!" Yet the same people don't care that the Government pisses away their hard earned taxes on pork barrel projects and pointless wars.

Imagine if you had to pay for the police to protect you, and if you didn't people could just kill you without impunity. If people suggested a "socialised" police force there would be people on here arguing against it.

:thumbs:

I wonder how many of the people who automatically slam socialised healthcare have actually experienced it.

It's not perfect, but you definitely miss it when you no longer have access to it.

[kaydee457 13]

Gotta love this chart almost 50% taxes! Love those socialists.

http://www.oecdobserver.org/images//1313.photo.jpg

That chart shows that UK has lower taxes than the USA, but the UK has socialised healthcare. Please show me the chart that correlates countries socialised healthcare with people actually having less spending power because of it.

As someone who grew up with the NHS I also fail to see the problem with socialised healthcare that Americans have. I pay about the same level of taxes here as I did in the UK, except now I have to pay a butt load of money on health insurance as well. The healthcare I have gotten is no better than in the UK (even when I lived in the expensive Santa Barbara), and in the UK I didn't have to argue with my insurance company over every charge, like for example: they decided I had to pay $500 for an ambulance that someone called for me when I was unconcious with blood pouring out of my head after an accident because some pencil pusher decided it wasn't necessary. Apparenly I should have got back on my bicycle and road the 5 miles to the ER!

What it comes down to is a rather mean spirited attitude in this country towards anybody else. This is the "me" culture. "Why should my taxes go to pay for some poor person to get a flu-vaccine! I don't care if they die!" Yet the same people don't care that the Government pisses away their hard earned taxes on pork barrel projects and pointless wars.

Imagine if you had to pay for the police to protect you, and if you didn't people could just kill you without impunity. If people suggested a "socialised" police force there would be people on here arguing against it.

:thumbs:

I wonder how many of the people who automatically slam socialised healthcare have actually experienced it.

It's not perfect, but you definitely miss it when you no longer have access to it.

Gee, that's sort of like when I wonder how many people have actually served in the military, and have had the burden of fighting in a war, before they slam it......

See, we do think alike.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Gotta love this chart almost 50% taxes! Love those socialists.

http://www.oecdobserver.org/images//1313.photo.jpg

That chart shows that UK has lower taxes than the USA, but the UK has socialised healthcare. Please show me the chart that correlates countries socialised healthcare with people actually having less spending power because of it.

As someone who grew up with the NHS I also fail to see the problem with socialised healthcare that Americans have. I pay about the same level of taxes here as I did in the UK, except now I have to pay a butt load of money on health insurance as well. The healthcare I have gotten is no better than in the UK (even when I lived in the expensive Santa Barbara), and in the UK I didn't have to argue with my insurance company over every charge, like for example: they decided I had to pay $500 for an ambulance that someone called for me when I was unconcious with blood pouring out of my head after an accident because some pencil pusher decided it wasn't necessary. Apparenly I should have got back on my bicycle and road the 5 miles to the ER!

What it comes down to is a rather mean spirited attitude in this country towards anybody else. This is the "me" culture. "Why should my taxes go to pay for some poor person to get a flu-vaccine! I don't care if they die!" Yet the same people don't care that the Government pisses away their hard earned taxes on pork barrel projects and pointless wars.

Imagine if you had to pay for the police to protect you, and if you didn't people could just kill you without impunity. If people suggested a "socialised" police force there would be people on here arguing against it.

:thumbs:

I wonder how many of the people who automatically slam socialised healthcare have actually experienced it.

It's not perfect, but you definitely miss it when you no longer have access to it.

Gee, that's sort of like when I wonder how many people have actually served in the military, and have had the burden of fighting in a war, before they slam it......

See, we do think alike.

Slam the war.... ummm you don't need experience to know that

war is hell

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Gotta love this chart almost 50% taxes! Love those socialists.

http://www.oecdobserver.org/images//1313.photo.jpg

That chart shows that UK has lower taxes than the USA, but the UK has socialised healthcare. Please show me the chart that correlates countries socialised healthcare with people actually having less spending power because of it.

As someone who grew up with the NHS I also fail to see the problem with socialised healthcare that Americans have. I pay about the same level of taxes here as I did in the UK, except now I have to pay a butt load of money on health insurance as well. The healthcare I have gotten is no better than in the UK (even when I lived in the expensive Santa Barbara), and in the UK I didn't have to argue with my insurance company over every charge, like for example: they decided I had to pay $500 for an ambulance that someone called for me when I was unconcious with blood pouring out of my head after an accident because some pencil pusher decided it wasn't necessary. Apparenly I should have got back on my bicycle and road the 5 miles to the ER!

What it comes down to is a rather mean spirited attitude in this country towards anybody else. This is the "me" culture. "Why should my taxes go to pay for some poor person to get a flu-vaccine! I don't care if they die!" Yet the same people don't care that the Government pisses away their hard earned taxes on pork barrel projects and pointless wars.

Imagine if you had to pay for the police to protect you, and if you didn't people could just kill you without impunity. If people suggested a "socialised" police force there would be people on here arguing against it.

:thumbs:

I wonder how many of the people who automatically slam socialised healthcare have actually experienced it.

It's not perfect, but you definitely miss it when you no longer have access to it.

Gee, that's sort of like when I wonder how many people have actually served in the military, and have had the burden of fighting in a war, before they slam it......

See, we do think alike.

Slamming the administration and the commander in chief for a failed foreign policy and fcuked up planning and execution of an ill-conceived, illegal act of aggression does not in any way, shape or form equate to slamming the military. A point that often gets lost on you.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I don't see anyone crying out to privatise the police force or the fire department. Perhaps they should, so someone can say "its your fault you got robbed / had your house burn down for choosing to live in a bad area".

How's about the minefield that is home insurance - where it becomes your fault and your liability if your house is destroyed by an earthquake, wild fire or a hurricane. Yep I'd pay for the privilege of a false sense of security

[dani_christine 0]

Right on! Opponents of universal health care fail to see that the US spends more on healthcare than any other nation - both total and per capita - relying on private market "solutions" as opposed to publicly administered models. Yet, a significant portion of the population has inadequate care and no access to quality care. Those opposed "Washington bureaucrats" making health care decisions have no problem with solely profit oriented insurance bureaucrats making those decisions. Those becrying the inefficiencies of government administration have not once addressed the fact that the privately run health care system has created an amount of administrative overhead and red tape (if I remember correctly, more than 30% of total heath care expenditures go towards overhead and administration) that no government run system anywhere in the world - including those in the US - has managed to create.

The supposed "efficiency" and "quality" of the US health care system are myths created by those that profit handsomely from and are, therefore, interested in maintainingfrom the clearly broken sytem that we have today.

the notion that the poor do not have access to healthcare in this country is a complete lie. there are free clinics and county hospitals, and every emergency room is mandated by law to treat anyone who comes to them for a life-threatening emergency, regardless of ability to pay.

now, there are those who would say that the free/low-income health system is not "quality" healthcare. well, that's exactly the point. the US has, like it or not, the best and brightest physicians from around the world. why? because they can make a much better living here in the US than in a country that provides socialized medicine. there are always those doctors who feel called to work in free clinics, etc....but if you want a mayo-clinic/johns hopkins experience...well, you're going to have to pay for it.

if the US were to go to socialized government-funded healthcare only...many of our quality physicians would no longer practice...or they would practice elsewhere. those plush, beautiful hospitals in the suburbs would close. americans would face long wait times to see their doctor, and even longer if they needed to see a physician. i've been to the NHS doctor's office a couple of times when i was in N. Ireland, and let me tell you...you get what you pay for.

i'll take state of the art equipment, the highly trained specialists from around the world, and choice of treatment any day, thank you.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Right on! Opponents of universal health care fail to see that the US spends more on healthcare than any other nation - both total and per capita - relying on private market "solutions" as opposed to publicly administered models. Yet, a significant portion of the population has inadequate care and no access to quality care. Those opposed "Washington bureaucrats" making health care decisions have no problem with solely profit oriented insurance bureaucrats making those decisions. Those becrying the inefficiencies of government administration have not once addressed the fact that the privately run health care system has created an amount of administrative overhead and red tape (if I remember correctly, more than 30% of total heath care expenditures go towards overhead and administration) that no government run system anywhere in the world - including those in the US - has managed to create.

The supposed "efficiency" and "quality" of the US health care system are myths created by those that profit handsomely from and are, therefore, interested in maintainingfrom the clearly broken sytem that we have today.

the notion that the poor do not have access to healthcare in this country is a complete lie. there are free clinics and county hospitals, and every emergency room is mandated by law to treat anyone who comes to them for a life-threatening emergency, regardless of ability to pay.

now, there are those who would say that the free/low-income health system is not "quality" healthcare. well, that's exactly the point. the US has, like it or not, the best and brightest physicians from around the world. why? because they can make a much better living here in the US than in a country that provides socialized medicine. there are always those doctors who feel called to work in free clinics, etc....but if you want a mayo-clinic/johns hopkins experience...well, you're going to have to pay for it.

if the US were to go to socialized government-funded healthcare only...many of our quality physicians would no longer practice...or they would practice elsewhere. those plush, beautiful hospitals in the suburbs would close. americans would face long wait times to see their doctor, and even longer if they needed to see a physician. i've been to the NHS doctor's office a couple of times when i was in N. Ireland, and let me tell you...you get what you pay for.

i'll take state of the art equipment, the highly trained specialists from around the world, and choice of treatment any day, thank you.

So, the overcrowded emergency rooms due to people having no other way of receiving treatment are just propaganda put out by hospitals? Why do they do that? Tell you why: Because whether you deny that or not, to 40+ million Americans, that is the sad reality.

Comparing the overall quality of care in Germany vs. the US, I'd take Germany's care any day. Hassle free, patient oriented health care without purely profit oriented insurance bureaucrats between the doctors and myself. What a wonderful world.