Tom Delay: “Hillary will be the next president of the United States"

[Ban Hammer 13,352]

she will make a fine president

[Ban Hammer 13,352]

I can only hope that Hillary wins the 2008 primaries as she's not electable.....Too many people find her borish and pompous.

Anyone remember her "health care" reforms?

I'm not a big fan of Hillary, but universal healthcare is what this country needs.

you must have lots of money to throw away on taxes

[Alex+R 0]

It's cute how people think that if programs are funded with less taxes, that the taxpayers won't be paying for them in another way only more expensively.

In that way, conservatives are the real dreamers and eternal optimists...

[Ban Hammer 13,352]

It's cute how people think that if programs are funded with less taxes, that the taxpayers won't be paying for them in another way only more expensively.

In that way, conservatives are the real dreamers and eternal optimists...

even cuter is how some think money grows on trees

[Alex+R 0]

It's cute how people think that if programs are funded with less taxes, that the taxpayers won't be paying for them in another way only more expensively.

In that way, conservatives are the real dreamers and eternal optimists...

even cuter is how some think money grows on trees

But see to me, I think that's what you think.

If we don't pay for it with taxes, everyone will magically take personal responsibility and we'll never pay a dime! Prices won't increase ever! We won't be stuck paying more for stuff taxes used to cover! It's really quite optimistic.

[Ban Hammer 13,352]

It's cute how people think that if programs are funded with less taxes, that the taxpayers won't be paying for them in another way only more expensively.

In that way, conservatives are the real dreamers and eternal optimists...

even cuter is how some think money grows on trees

But see to me, I think that's what you think.

If we don't pay for it with taxes, everyone will magically take personal responsibility and we'll never pay a dime! Prices won't increase ever! We won't be stuck paying more for stuff taxes used to cover! It's really quite optimistic.

uh huh. just like some think it will be "fair" to make those more motivated in life to pay for those without any ambition.

[Alex+R 0]

It's cute how people think that if programs are funded with less taxes, that the taxpayers won't be paying for them in another way only more expensively.

In that way, conservatives are the real dreamers and eternal optimists...

even cuter is how some think money grows on trees

But see to me, I think that's what you think.

If we don't pay for it with taxes, everyone will magically take personal responsibility and we'll never pay a dime! Prices won't increase ever! We won't be stuck paying more for stuff taxes used to cover! It's really quite optimistic.

uh huh. just like some think it will be "fair" to make those more motivated in life to pay for those without any ambition.

Yup. And if we don't pay for it in taxes, then the money will magically come from...where? The money tree? Oh yeah, still us.

[Ban Hammer 13,352]

It's cute how people think that if programs are funded with less taxes, that the taxpayers won't be paying for them in another way only more expensively.

In that way, conservatives are the real dreamers and eternal optimists...

even cuter is how some think money grows on trees

But see to me, I think that's what you think.

If we don't pay for it with taxes, everyone will magically take personal responsibility and we'll never pay a dime! Prices won't increase ever! We won't be stuck paying more for stuff taxes used to cover! It's really quite optimistic.

uh huh. just like some think it will be "fair" to make those more motivated in life to pay for those without any ambition.

Yup. And if we don't pay for it in taxes, then the money will magically come from...where? The money tree? Oh yeah, still us.

it's called quit being a leech and be responsible for your own health.

[Alex+R 0]

It's cute how people think that if programs are funded with less taxes, that the taxpayers won't be paying for them in another way only more expensively.

In that way, conservatives are the real dreamers and eternal optimists...

even cuter is how some think money grows on trees

But see to me, I think that's what you think.

If we don't pay for it with taxes, everyone will magically take personal responsibility and we'll never pay a dime! Prices won't increase ever! We won't be stuck paying more for stuff taxes used to cover! It's really quite optimistic.

uh huh. just like some think it will be "fair" to make those more motivated in life to pay for those without any ambition.

Yup. And if we don't pay for it in taxes, then the money will magically come from...where? The money tree? Oh yeah, still us.

it's called quit being a leech and be responsible for your own health.

See, now, that's why I think you're an idealist. Actually, a pollyanna, even. 1. Just because you tell people to does not mean they will suddenly work. 2. Most people who need gov't assistance don't need it because they are lazy. What a wonderful world it would be if everyone could just pull themselves up by their "bootstraps" and take some good old fashioned responsibility!

[Ban Hammer 13,352]

It's cute how people think that if programs are funded with less taxes, that the taxpayers won't be paying for them in another way only more expensively.

In that way, conservatives are the real dreamers and eternal optimists...

even cuter is how some think money grows on trees

But see to me, I think that's what you think.

If we don't pay for it with taxes, everyone will magically take personal responsibility and we'll never pay a dime! Prices won't increase ever! We won't be stuck paying more for stuff taxes used to cover! It's really quite optimistic.

uh huh. just like some think it will be "fair" to make those more motivated in life to pay for those without any ambition.

Yup. And if we don't pay for it in taxes, then the money will magically come from...where? The money tree? Oh yeah, still us.

it's called quit being a leech and be responsible for your own health.

See, now, that's why I think you're an idealist. Actually, a pollyanna, even. 1. Just because you tell people to does not mean they will suddenly work. 2. Most people who need gov't assistance don't need it because they are lazy. What a wonderful world it would be if everyone could just pull themselves up by their "bootstraps" and take some good old fashioned responsibility!

and you're promoting big brother/socialized medicine. let's have the government take care of our health needs. after seeing how they botch everything else, i'll pass.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It's cute how people think that if programs are funded with less taxes, that the taxpayers won't be paying for them in another way only more expensively.

In that way, conservatives are the real dreamers and eternal optimists...

even cuter is how some think money grows on trees

But see to me, I think that's what you think.

If we don't pay for it with taxes, everyone will magically take personal responsibility and we'll never pay a dime! Prices won't increase ever! We won't be stuck paying more for stuff taxes used to cover! It's really quite optimistic.

uh huh. just like some think it will be "fair" to make those more motivated in life to pay for those without any ambition.

Yup. And if we don't pay for it in taxes, then the money will magically come from...where? The money tree? Oh yeah, still us.

it's called quit being a leech and be responsible for your own health.

See, now, that's why I think you're an idealist. Actually, a pollyanna, even. 1. Just because you tell people to does not mean they will suddenly work. 2. Most people who need gov't assistance don't need it because they are lazy. What a wonderful world it would be if everyone could just pull themselves up by their "bootstraps" and take some good old fashioned responsibility!

and you're promoting big brother/socialized medicine. let's have the government take care of our health needs. after seeing how they botch everything else, i'll pass.

I never understood the arguments against socialised medicine. When you considering that:

1) After taxes and medical deductions, I actually pay as much or more from my pay check than I used to pay in the UK - and that still doesn't take into consideration out of pocket expenses if you go to the doctor or (God forbid), the hospital. So in reality, its more expensive in the US than it ever was in Britain.

2) When you sign up for health insurance with your employer (you usually have one or two choices at least) you have absolutely no way of telling which treatments are covered under the plan. So how is a person able to make an informed choice about what is the best option for them? The standard "If you don't like it, get a better job" line is a hollow one - considering that taking almost ANY job will land you in the same situation (a choice or 2 or more plans, with nothing other than financial criteria to choose between them).

3) The standard of care I received when I had a surgical procedure in California last year was indistinguishable from the standard of care I received in Britain under the NHS.

4) My father in law (who has an extremely expensive private plan) was almost killed when his insurance provider decided to interfere with his treatment (on non-medical grounds). They didn't seem to think that a man with a serious heart condition needed to see a cardiologist...

5) My Sister in law (who at one point had no health insurance) was almost killed when she got a kidney infection, and because of the fear of being bankrupted by hospital charges didn't go to the hospital until the condition became literally life-threatening. Similarly, many people I worked with at the time I had my surgery all gave me the distinct impression that they would have "taken their chances" with a cancer scare rather than get it checked out (and incur massive expense) even with insurance. It seems to me that many people who are insured are afraid of going to the doctor / hospital because financial fears take precedence over their own health and well being.

Even without a socialised system I wonder if people really do believe that supporting the interests of the corporate healthcare industry is in their own best interest, and the interests of the country as a whole.

At the very least someone should stand up and stick their finger up at the lobbyists and actually petition the government for a more ethical private system that doesn't allow profit to compromise care (as happens currently).

Edited December 13, 2006 by erekose

[kaydee457 13]

Oy vey! These kinds of discussions bring the "Jewish-ness" out of me even though I'm not Jewish!

Please, oh poleeze, don't get the Government involved in administrating our health care....When will people realize that government is self perpetuating and only expands, and never contracts.

We'll end up with yet another large bureaucracy with lots of "civil servants" (an oxymoron) to add to our already high medical costs.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Social security is already upside down , Yep lets start another government program! I would like someone to give me an example of a successful government program?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Single payer healthcare is a bad idea, IMHO. I'd much rather see healthcare run by the states. Each state, depending on their own circumstances, should come up with what works for them.

Edited December 13, 2006 by Gupt

[Reynaldo 0]

Do you people really think that?

How alienated do you have to be to actually think that private healthcare is actually a good idea?